What part of I-L-L-E-G-A-L don't they understand?

United States
May 1, 2007 3:23pm CST
I've been to Belize .. it is ILLEGAL for me to get a job in Belize that a Belizean is qualified to do! I can't get into Mexico without the permission of their government. In fact, when you leave Mexico, if you don't have the papers with you that they gave you when you entered the country, you will be fined. I have been in Haiti .. and have to have proper documentation to arrive and leave there. What is the point? Everyone has the right to protect his house / his home. Everyone is entitled to have his job protected from people who move into the country illegally. Permitting people to enter the USA ILLEGALLY and then offer them citizenship is the same as making me let people into my home and then giving them ownership of my home! These illegals are not immigrants .. they are illegal aliens. They have no RIGHT to be here, because they broke into the house! And, their own countries acknowledge that, because they have laws to keep me out of their country too, until I get legal permission.
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@emeraldisle (13146)
• United States
2 May 07
I agree, they are not immigrants. In my mind they are criminals. They broke our laws by coming here and yet we are supposed to just accept them into the fold? And worse break our backs to make them feel welcome, we are to cater to them and their ways? I don't think so. If they want to come here legally, learn the language and the history that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. If so many can do it others can as well. Most of us do not get short cuts in life why should they be allowed to make their own in such a fashion?
• United States
2 May 07
You have said it well. History should teach us that if this government does not change its policies and begin to enforce the immigration laws, it will destroy the country.
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@emeraldisle (13146)
• United States
2 May 07
Exactly. A country divided cannot stand for long and if it keeps going as it is that is what we'll have. One nation split in two between the legals and the illegals. The government cannot accomandate to both of them and it has to make a choice.
@munhozmib (3857)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
1 May 07
Yes, that's right. Some people do it even knowing it's illegal. It's a shame. But, be sure of that, there's money behind all this story. Money makes this Planet spins, and that's why people do such things. I'm not saying that it's right, try to understand me. I am completely against this act, but money makes people do anything.
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• United States
1 May 07
There are two sides to the illegal immigrant debate. On one hand, these illegal immigrants are good for the economy, which is why not much effort is made to stop them entering the country. They often do jobs that nationals deem beneath them. I sometimes think those who complain loudest are those without ambition who resent an illegal coming to the country and making a sincere effort to better their lives. Having said all that, a country has an obligation to make sure those born there are employed before anybody else. In addition a country should not allow more people to live there than it is able to provide employment for. Finally, when you move to another country you should make every effort to assimilate into the culture of that country, and not expect the people there to change to suit you.
• United States
1 May 07
munhozmib .. there are all kinds of things done in the world by people who know they are committing illegal, immoral and wrong acts. They do it anyway. Part of where the "money" is is in the jobs the illegals do here. The cost of housing materials have skyrocketed. So, using illegals for the labor saves the contractor money. BUT, housing up north is affordable without illegal laborers! hmmmmm When money is "saved" in an economy illegally or illegitimately, it isn't "saved" ..just like taxes and beaurocracy don't stimulate the economy, so too, the economy does not grow with "savings" by illegal labor. It is a false concept.
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• United States
1 May 07
WHISP .. we have laws that PERMIT people to come here and better their lives .. LEGALLY. Keep the argument straight and legit .. the ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY. Not the same thing as LEGAL immigrants!
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@Inky261 (2524)
• Germany
1 May 07
We have this problem here in Europe, too. First they come in masses into our countries and then our governments say: legalize it. Go eastwards, these countries check very carefully even people who only visit and visiors have to register at the police. While they come here and work without papers and often enough have left our country with a car they did not buy. This raised our insurance premium considerably. Again danjenkins, you are not alone!
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• United States
1 May 07
It just aggravated me a bit today because it is in the news. Of course, I told the story a few weeks ago about how much hassle it was for ME to get a driver's license when I moved to another State. I served in Vietnam while BoBo was partying, but I had to PROVE I was born in the USA .. just days later my wife's granddaughter was in the car with her other grandmother and they were hit by another car .. driven by an illegal alien without a driver's license or insurance! That great department of Homeland inSecurity is really doing a bang-up job, y'know?
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@Inky261 (2524)
• Germany
1 May 07
and that is the way it is... I cited W. Cronkite ;-)
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@lisado (1230)
• United States
2 May 07
There was a case here in Virginia where two people were killed by an illegal alien by DUI. The part that REALLY cheeses me off is that it wasn't even his first offense! He had at least two priors, including another DUI and driving without a license! Why something wasn't done before he killed someone, I don't know! Now the people are throwing a massive fit and the gov't is scrambling to cover it's backside.
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• United States
2 May 07
The government is messed up period. I believe that the people should ACTUALLY take hand what the real problems are. We live in this reality that the government seems to not see. People lose jobs to aliens because they are "cheaper", EVEN AT CAR AUCTIONS WE CAN'T EVEN BUY A FREAKING CAR BECAUSE THESE ALIENS BUY THEM ALL AND TAKE THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY. Yea see... I am quite agrivated about this whole ordeal, I am tired of being stalked, I am tired of losing my opportunities as an american. I was born and raised here and because the government is too worried about other crap in this world all together they keep us Americans protected!
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• United States
2 May 07
Cant keep us Americans protected!*** Sorry, Typo!
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• United States
2 May 07
The problem is that Americans have become complainers about the government doing what it should do (war, for instance) and demanders that the government be what it has no business being: the friendly neighborhood genie. Womb to the tomb! When Americans stop expecting the government to give them hand-outs from the public treasury (where did that money come from?), and start insisting that the government do it's job - infrastructure, enforce contracts, protect the people - then the government will have to pony up. Right now, being a politician is only about one thing: building personal power (senators, congressmen, presidents, etc.) to stay in power. And, they do that by promising the voters the cookie jar .. which the taxpayers filled, not the politicians. That is called ROBBING Peter to pay Paul! hmmmm .. Politician is synonymous with robber?
@Writerbob (572)
• United States
2 May 07
A-M-E-N brotha! I actually do not blame those who see getting to the US as their only shot, but they have to accept the consequences of the game, which is get caught, go back and leave your illusion behind. I also understand the socialist brainwashing many of the Mexican peasants get from the radical arm of the Catholic church in Mexico with the Liberation theology that masks the tenets of communism that they are truly preaching. It's a complicated issue, it's not always black-and-white, but the best remedy is apparent to me, as i'm sure it is to you - bring back the military and lock down the border with Mexico!
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• United States
2 May 07
We told the Haitians back in the early 90s what Aristide would become. They didn't believe me. But, I understood Aristide's theology (Liberation theology), and knew it was only a matter of time before he would show his true colors. He was elected President when he was a penniless priest and he left the country a multi-millionaire .. funds stolen from the nation's phone company, among other things. Yes, indeed, "Liberation theology" is simply a defense of using violence to take from the rich and give to the poor. No respect for law or private property.
• United States
2 May 07
Thank you! I agree. I empathize with these people and I understand how much they want to come to US, but seriously, my family had to fill out paper work and my good friends have had to marry Americans or fill out paper work to get here. That is the way it has to be people. If you are illegal, guess what? YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! If you are not here legally, that means that we citizens and people who are here legally owe you nothing.
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• United States
2 May 07
When a government no longer protects private property rights and when it no longer administers equal justice for all its people, then that society, economy and country is in deep trouble. HOWEVER, as a teacher of faith and motivation, let me follow this up with saying that we cannot allow bad news to pull us down. We admit that we are frustrated, then we move on and do what we can do today to make life better for ourselves, our family and our community. We cannot allow negativity to pull us down to the level of the turkeys.
@diego9774 (172)
• United States
1 May 07
Although I think that one should be able to move around this world freely, I don't agree with offering citizenship to people who sneak into this country. They do upset the balance concerning employment.For instance a citizen who cannot get a job as a busboy but an illegal can and get paid under the table while collecting welfare. I also have found the attitude from SOME of these people to be very negative, at times extremly racist and bigoted and all around ungrateful. There is a reason that we have these procedures, and I feel that they are not being enforced and that we tend to be a little too accomodating to people who don't deserve it! Coming into this country ,getting a job,housing,goverment benefits without going through the proper protocal is stealing!!!
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• United States
1 May 07
I've probably said too much already. HOWEVER, the core of our country is private ownership of property. When the government no longer protects the nation against illegal entry over the borders, and also takes private property from an individual so the government can give it to a "developer" who will use it for some purpose that will create more TAX revenues for the government, we have a TWOFOLD attack on the rights of private property ownership. How does illegal entry erode private ownership? It is the same thing as being PERMITTED to get away with breaking into a private home and live there, no matter what the homeowner says. I'm not sure it is a conspiracy, but, it sure is cause for concern, don't you think?
@rodeotexas (1154)
• United States
1 May 07
This is something that really irritates me. They are illegal and they should not be allowed here and should be sent back. I don't care how long that they have been here illegally they should not be here. It's so aggrivating that you have to do all of that to get to certain other countries but the US is just lettng them stay.
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• United States
1 May 07
There is no better example than that of someone breaking into your home .. that is exactly what is happening. All countries protect themselves against too many emigrants .. a flood of emigrants wrecks economies .. ... uh .. is that what the politicians are doing? Wrecking our economy? hmmmm.
@mjsdls (1841)
• United States
1 May 07
I admit the USA is really messing up in this area bad. Illegal and immigrants and everyone from a different country has more rights than those who were born here in America. It does not make since.
• United States
1 May 07
very seldom do the actions of government make sense. they tax us to pay for our protection then protect us according to their convenience. politicians .. go figure
@lisado (1230)
• United States
2 May 07
I totally agree with you. Seeing them sue the US and winning drives me nuts, too. It seems that illegal aliens have more rights than we do! If they want to immigrate to the US, I don't have a problem with that. It's when they come in illegally that I am irritated. My husband feels the same way.
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2 May 07
The countries you mention as examples, Belize, Mexico and Haiti, are all incredibly poor. The US has to accept its position as a global superpower and enormous economic force and do some good for once. Allowing Mexican immigrants (willing to work for less, and willing to do the kinds of jobs that Americans won't even go near) to enter the country and work for a living makes perfect sense; they drive the economy forward and ask for very little in return. Because they're illegal immigrants, they don't have social security numbers, they aren't entitled to benefits, they can't claim medical attention, and so they work incredibly hard, often sending the cash they make home to their families in Mexico, and go without the basics of life that Americans demand. I think that you should perhaps show hem a little bit of respect, especially as US citizens have life so easy compared to those in Central or South America (a region in which the US government does nothing but try to undermine alternative forms of governance). Claiming that an economic success as huge as America is strictly for those born within its limits is ludicrous; national boundaries are effectively pointless anyway. Why should those in Nuevo Laredo life differently to those in Laredo? Its insane. Being from the UK, I can tell you what the situation is like in Europe. Eastern European immigrants, usually Poles, enter the UK and put the British work ethic o shame; they work harder than he majority of the existing workforce and ask for very little in return. Is it any surprise that employers are so ready to hire them?
@lisado (1230)
• United States
2 May 07
They don't cause money problems? Their children are born here, giving them social security numbers which gives them the benefits that you talk about that cost the gov't money. They also DO take advantage of the health care, they just go to the hospitals and register without insurance, often leaving the bills unpaid. Who do you think is paying for those unpaid medical bills? And those "jobs that Americans won't touch" is bumpkus. To keep food on my kids's table and a roof over their head, there is no job that is to good for me. I know I am not the only American that feels this way. I am all for someone wanting to come here to make a better life, but they need to do it legally. It's not any different than stealing.
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• United States
2 May 07
duncan .. since I'm pretty much of an expert on Haiti (speak the language, understand the culture, know their history better than most Haitians, have been in-country more than 25 times), perhaps my opinion carries some weight. And, therefore, I'll state my opinion .. the reason there is such poverty in Haiti is caused primarily by Haitians themselves, and a mentality which keeps producing governments of thieves. Those things cannot be overcome by other nations, and pouring money into the country does NOTHING to raise the standard of living in Haiti. In one 5 year period under Aristide, over 9 BILLION dollars was poured into Haiti, and the economy continued to erode. And, duncan .. you are in the UK .. how do you know that the illegals here are working so hard? Anyone who defends thieves and people who subvert the law are themselves suspect .. lock up the silver, a bleeding heart is in the house!
3 May 07
I know because I have been to the states about as many times as you have been to Haiti; perhaps you have the insider tip on the subject, I don't know. But it certainly seems as though I am outnumbered. I believe my points stand - I have only one more complaint: referring to these people simply as 'illegals' is dehumanising and degrading, and doesn't help anybody.
• United States
8 Jan 08
I knew that there were others out there with the same frustrations as me. Now if we could only somehow get the government to understand that. But until we ALL go to the polls and vote at the same time to get the whiny politicians out of office, we aren't going to get anywhere. I vote in every election. I just wish many others who sit around and complain would do the same.
• United States
1 May 07
I agree with you. The theory of why this is happening & being allowed to continue is the hopes of the upstart of a civil war so that marshal law can be called, thus abolishing the 2008 election.
@Netsbridge (3242)
• United States
1 May 07
The part that says "do as I say, not as I did!" (Laughs) Danjenkins, as of the past 12 years, people who come to the USA have some knowledge of the unfortunate history of the USA and tend to take advantage of the situation(s). The situation you are addressing is indeed an indication of the decline in values and principles in the US government; which incidentally, has turned the USA into a safe haven for lowlifes and crooks - Did you know that about 70% of the people in the USA are often the rejects and lowlifes of their original societies? (Go figure!) But when it comes to Mexicans in the far South, be ye informed that they actually consider you, Danjenkins, as the illegal alien! (Laughs) Well, I always tell folks that land acquired by means of war is never a guaranteed deal! And, I hope you sure do remember this line of reasoning when it comes to our Palestinian/Israel issue! Good day, Danjenkins!