evolution

@acmepride (1547)
United States
May 12, 2007 1:21pm CST
Do you honestly believe that primates are our ancestors? What makes you believe or not believe in the evolution theory? If you believe in evolution, who among the evolution theorists do you admire most and why?
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35 responses
• Thailand
13 May 07
Yes I do believe that primates are our ancestors although we split, genetically , from them 4.5 million years ago. There is really no evolutionary theory. Evolution is an ongoing process that has been clearly demonstrated. There are no evolutionary theorist that I know of. There are a lot of scientist whose work take them into the study of the evolutionary process. They come from all fields, from anthropology to zoology. One that I admire is Dr. Francis Collins who is the director of the Human Genome Project.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
13 May 07
Thanks for the clarification, Chiang_Mai_boy. I'll try to check the works of Dr. Francis Collins to further my understanding of evolution.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
16 Oct 07
Hello Acmepride, I recently responded to a similar post. So, in answering your question I have drawn from part of my response to that other discussion. Let's face it, whether by "Intelligent Design" or "The Big Bang Theory" leading to "Evolutionary Theory", we developed from a limited number of elements. So, the theory of a 'fork in the road' of development is pretty logical. There are only 118 known elements, not including lanthanoids and actinoids. So, it is pure naivety to conclude that all life doesn't have a common thread(s). How those 118 elements have mixed and match, leading us to life as we know it today is still a very great mystery. Yet, there are only 118 possible ingredients, so the link is pretty clear. I personally ascribe to the Theory of "Intelligent Design". And, since I believe that every aspect of life is an on-going process, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that we've evolved through a process that includes many forks. Not just the fork relating to human variance from apes. Yet, to specifically address your question: Our DNA so closely matches that of our hairer brethren, that there is little question that we are of the same origin. I'm rather fond of David Pilbeam's views. He is a British Anthropology Professor at Yale. He theorizes that by ten million years ago there were two major groups of apes, the dryopithecines having apelike teeth, and the ramapithecines, having human-like teeth with reduced canines and a flatter face...." Of all the data that I've read, this seems to most clearly identify the absolute fork dividing the development of apes and man. http://www.adelphiasophis...
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
23 Oct 07
Hello ladyluna! For some reason, your statement that "it is pure naivety to conclude that all life doesn't have a common thread(s)" somehow made me think of the String Theory, but I digressed. OnT: What do you think of criticisms being hurled against Intelligent Design, though? In a BBC Special entitled A War on Science, if I'm not mistaken, evolution experts like Richard Dawkins, more or less, claim that Intelligent Design, which according to them, could not really be considered as a true science, is just a way to propagate creationism in classrooms and inject religion into the concept of evolution. What's your view on this? Thanks a lot for your usual great contribution and for the interestingly enlightening link you've provided! Happy myLotting! ;)
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
31 Oct 07
Hello Acmepride, I'm not at all surprised that some Evolutionists have diminished Intelligent Design to the level of Creationism. They are two distinct theories -- not at all equal. Creationsism literally attributes man's origins to the Biblical presentation of the Story of Creation. Intelligent Design leaves room for all possibilities including: The Big Bang, Evolutionary Divisions, ... with one simple caveat -- that all are derived from an intelligent source. As a huge fan of Science, I also acknowledge what I perceive to be Science's biggest hurdle: always seeking that which can be seen. So, your reference to the String Theory is absolutely concurrent with my line of thought. Although controversial, and only one of many theories attempting to link Relativity and Quantum, String rings a resounding chord to me. I have long been a proponent of subtle energies, the theory that matter is less affecting than empty space, etc... Given man's limited understanding of the universe, and the undeniable realities of energy affecting matter in our physical world (like basic physical sciences: fault lines affecting the earth's crust, radio waves interfering with other radio waves, etc...) String makes alot of sense to me. To more directly address your question: I attribute ego to Evolutionists inability to fathom the possibility of that which they cannot see and understand.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
Thanks a lot for adequately providing that dichotomy between Intelligent Design and Creationism, ladyluna! Although, some claim, rightly or wrongly, that String Theory could only be considered as, in a sense, philosophical in nature, especially because there's reportedly no scientific means yet to ascertain exactly what strings are or precisely how such look like, I must agree with you that it seems to make a lot of sense, and it could actually even be a very tenable explanation of the connection or link between "Relativity and Quantum." To clarify your statement that, "I attribute ego to Evolutionists inability to fathom the possibility of that which they cannot see and understand," though, apart from ego, would you agree that some evolutionists could perhaps not "fathom the possibility of that which they cannot see and understand" perhaps because of their curiosity or inquisitive minds? As scientists trained to thoroughly examine facts and evidence or rely on data that could be repeatedly tested, don't you think that it is understandable why some of them could not easily accept or fathom the existence of that which they cannot see? Again, thanks a lot for really enriching the discourse and Happy myLotting! ;)
@2timothy (794)
• Philippines
17 Oct 07
One scientist I admire is Dr. Chang Yu Lan who wrote about the fallacy of the theory of evolution, you can read his refutation at www.geocities.com/timothy_ah/God11.html
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
Thanks for providing that interesting link, 2timothy. I'll try to digest it, as soon as I have the time to do so. Happy myLotting! ;)
• United States
17 Oct 07
I do believe in evolution. I'm guessing you meant do I believe monkeys are our ancestors since technically, humans are classified as members of the primate order. I don't think we evolved from monkeys so much as we evolved WITH monkeys. Saying that we evolved from them indicates that present day monkeys were the same a few million years ago, and only the human decendants evolved, whereas it is more likely that both branches of the primate order have changed radically in the intervening years. I believe we do share a common ancestor that would have had traits common to both humans and apes. The branch that evolved to become modern apes and monkeys went through a process of natural selection that adapted them for living in trees and jungles, while humans adapted for a ground dwelling existance.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
Your guess is correct, theproperator, since that's what I'm essentially asking. Assuming the position of a devil's advocate, though, would you be open to the possibility that your statement, "Saying that we evolved from them indicates that present day monkeys were the same a few million years ago," is not entirely correct, since there are, to be sure, several species of primates and those who were able to survive natural selection perhaps through the process of tinkering and/or adaptation eventually became the "present day monkeys" and/or humans, while those which did not became victims of extinction? Thanks a lot in advance for the clarification and Happy myLotting! ;)
@barehugs (8986)
• Canada
21 May 07
Theres absolutely no Doubt in my Mind..... We evolved from Monkeys! Turn on the News.... theres bound to be at least 2 incidents on each Newscast...... where people are behaving and, or, thinking like Monkeys. Pick up a magazine, look at the fashion pages..... See all those People dressed like Monkeys? and not only clothes... Look at their Hair! People steal from their neighbors, cover the walls of buildings with Graffiti, eat Bananas and throw the skins in the street. You don't have to be an Einstein to subscribe to this theory, anybody can see it. Just walk down the street and observe!
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
1 Nov 07
Thanks a lot for sharing your unique view and Happy myLotting!;)
@drannhh (15226)
• United States
16 Oct 07
I did for a while when I was younger, but the more time I've had to think about it, to tell you the truth, the less I believe that primates are our ancestors. Although I have met some people who acted very much like THEIR ancestors may have been apes, I don't think mine were. Reptilians, maybe, but not apes. I never cared much for Darwin, actually, but neither do I buy any of other prevailing theories. It would be better if people just postulated their ideas without either science or religion trying to shove their pet theories down everyone else's throats. Did you ever see the movie or read the book about the Scopes Monkey Trial? Scary times, but I'm not sure much as changed.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
17 Oct 07
To be honest, drannhh, I haven't had the opportunity to read or watch Scopes Monkey Trial yet, but I surely want to read and watch it to understand better essentially where you're coming from. Who's its author and who directed the movie version, if I may ask? For our enlightenment, why do you say or prefer to believe that your ancestors are "Reptilians, maybe, but not apes?" Just to clarify and further enrich this discussion, too, since you clearly said that "I never cared much for Darwin, actually but neither do I buy any of other prevailing theories" and "It would be better if people just postulated their ideas without either science or religion trying to shove their pet theories down everyone else's throats," would you be so kind to share what your beliefs are, if any, in so far as the origin of our species is concerned, at least? Thanks a lot for your substantial contribution to this discussion and Happy myLotting! ;)
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@drannhh (15226)
• United States
17 Oct 07
Stanley Kramer directed what is probably the best film version of this story in 1960 with Spencer Tracy and Fredric March acting. Also, there is a lot of information about the case on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial It is a difficult and complicated piece of history, but I think very important. If this were science, I should be happy to share my personal views, but it would be impossible to do so without veering off into religion and politics and those are two subject I prefer not to discuss in this kind of setting. My comment about "Reptilians" was meant to be a humorous reference to a book by David Icke called Children of the Matrix, the content of which is not completely unrelated to the kinds of issues brought up in the Monkey Trials. Happy myLotting to you, too!
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
17 Oct 07
I perfectly understand, drannhh. Anyway, thanks a lot for the clarification and for the very interesting link. Happy myLotting! ;)
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@gharinder (2044)
• India
16 Oct 07
there is no reason to disbelief that primates were our ancestors, i belief in the evolution theory, as such i dont admire any theorists, but i find both the theories of darwin and lamarck interesting.
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
16 Oct 07
I truly appreciate your fine contribution to this discussion, gharinder. Thanks a lot and Happy myLotting! ;)
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• Philippines
13 Dec 07
There is a big reason to disbelief that primates are our ancestors. The reason is that is a BIG lie. The theory is not so accurate. And there are many reason why human do not come form primates. That theory is a mere speculation.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
20 Jan 08
^Your claim that evolution "is a BIG lie," "is not so accurate," or "is a mere speculation" seems really interesting. To be clear and for our enlightenment, though, can you share some of the "many reason why human do not come form primates?" Thanks a lot in advance and Happy myLotting! ;)
@izathewzia (5142)
• Philippines
16 Oct 07
Nope, i could not accept that we all came from being a monkey. Besides, we are all creations of God. So why we need to evolve? God created each one of us - living things- accordingly. So I know, it is God who created us and not that we came from being a monkey.
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
17 Oct 07
You have a point there, izathewzia. If I were to ask, though, IF indeed the belief that we came from being monkeys and eventually evolved into humans is true, and IF god, in fact, was the one responsible for such evolution, would that change the idea that god created us? Also, exactly what do you mean when you say "God created each one of us - living things - accordingly?" Thanks a lot for your good response and Happy myLotting! ;)
• Philippines
13 Dec 07
God is not responsible for evolution. God created us full and not from primates. If you say we're from primates, what's the use of talking about God here.
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• China
30 Oct 07
I believe. Why? Maybe it contribute to my education. My teacher from the beginning of elementary school told me yhat human being is evolved from primates. But I'm not sure that's true, just a believe.
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
Thanks a lot for your sharing and Happy myLotting, chenjun_yao! ;)
@luzamper (1360)
• Philippines
24 Oct 07
I don't believe in evolution. I did not come from the ape. Evolution is centered only to man and yet they cannot prove it already because they don't know where the ape came from. How about the other creations? Where did the other animals come from? And the trees and all the other plants? And the sun and the moon and the stars and other heavenly bodies? How would they explain? In creation, in the Holy Bible, all such things were explained. Evolution is a religion against God believed of course by those who do not like to believe in God.
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
I do respect your view and I would like tot hank you for sharing it with us! Happy myLotting, luzamper! ;)
@tines2512 (326)
• Philippines
17 Oct 07
For me I dont believe at all
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
6 Nov 07
The reason/s behind your disbelief is/are? Thanks a lot in advance and Happy myLotting, tines2512! ;)
@flowerchilde (12518)
• United States
17 Oct 07
I never did believe it, then I finally studied up on it, and now I believe it far less. The whole thing is quite weird, with many a fallacy and anomaly. :) www.inner-monastery.com/evolution.html - summary of what I learned, most of it anyway.. I learn more all the time, as I do love science! :)
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
25 Oct 07
Thanks a lot for your honest post and for the very useful link you've provided! Happy myLotting and cheers to better understanding, flowerchilde! ;)
@carmelanirel (20979)
• United States
16 Oct 07
I know this is late, but ironic that I saw this post today. I have been posting this study on myspace for a while and here is a portion of todays study I thought was very interesting.: THIS IS THE FANTASTIC SPECTACLE OF THE PICTURE OF CREATION: * GOD SPOKE AND THE SOUND OF THE "BIG BANG" OF CREATION WAS THE ACTUAL SOUND OF THE VAPOURS OF THE "LIVING WATERS" WHIRLING, FILLED WITH HALAL/ 30 PRAISES, AND "BREAKING FORTH" THROUGH THE VEIL FROM THE SPIRIT REALM INTO OUR NATURAL REALM!
@acmepride (1547)
• United States
19 Oct 07
Not at all, to be sure, carmelanirel. If I may ask, though, precisely what are you referring to, when you say "here is a portion of todays study?" What exactly is this "study" you're talking about? Further, is that specific excerpt a theory of how we came about? If it is, who theorized it? Thanks a lot in advance for sufficiently answering my questions and Happy myLotting! ;)
• United States
15 Oct 07
Why not. Who's to say that G-d couldn't have started with the apes and then His vision evolved?
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@acmepride (1547)
• United States
16 Oct 07
Thanks a lot for sharing your opinion on the matter! Happy myLotting, sarahruthbeth22! ;)
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• China
11 Jan 08
I care little about the evolution theory.In some degree ,it is true caz there are so many evidences to prove that.I do believe that every animal in the world has its special power that the nature offer them.respect the nature.respect every animal
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@anaknitatay (1335)
• Philippines
11 Jan 08
I firmly believe in evolution that we came from primates how else could I explain some of my friends and acquaintances who act and look like total monkeys...
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• United States
19 Dec 07
Humans are more like primates then like God. Humans have a physical form and God doesn't. Primates uses tools and so do Humans While God uses magic.
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
19 Dec 07
What makes me believe the theory of evolution? Evidence. The fact that we've seen evolution occur on smaller levels, and the fact that we have piles and piles of evidence of it occuring on larger levels. Who do I admire of "evolution theorists", as you call them? No one in particular. Many brilliant minds have contributed to it. Though, Darwin was the one who brought it to light, so I'll go with him.
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@Harley009 (1420)
• India
13 Dec 07
Evolution theory of Darwin! Mankind evolved from Monkeys, Creatures created from nothing? A living cell form in water? from where the water comes from ? That living cell transform to different kind or organisms with correctly working machines inside ? Thinking with common sense and post in Mylot :)? A monkey has a limited sence and brain power but don't have high common sense and thinking mind, Did any monkey started eating with spoon or invented anything through these decades ? Did they invent any tool to run on trees more than using their tail ? How it can be get into a Human? I don't believe in this theory. It's only a theory not a fact. Their proof is only some fossils, which itself don't have reliable sequence from monkey to man. If two kind of animals have same kind of bone, does that mean it evolved from another ? I don't think so. The scientist Darwin itself said, about human Eye, he wondered about eye, how that highly accurate and sophisticated thing formed by natural selection or evolution! Science don't have any other reliable proof to say about evolution of life. So they choose the last and theory available in the repository of evolutions theories. Before evolution theory there was many other theories about evolution of life, when evolution theory came and accepted by science the previous theories neglected. Previous theories even stated that rats are evolved from the heap of ash and dumps.
@kurtbiewald (2628)
• United States
13 Dec 07
i thought primates were not allowed to have children
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