MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING : Scientists changing their positions

United States
May 16, 2007 7:13am CST
Scientists are changing their positions concerning whether or not global warming is man-made. I think it is because the internet makes the raw data easily available for analysis by anybody. Numerous persons have downloaded the data and done analysis on it themselves. Any college undergrad who has taken advanced statistics can do this. When one does this it is obvious that the earth is slightly warming and that man probably had almost nothing to do with it. So, it is my hypothesis that in order to not look stupid or to appear culpable in the carbon credit scam that is ongoing, some prominent scientists are changing their positions that man is causing global warming. Here is a link from the US SENATE Committe on the Environment and Public Works which contains more information. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&Region_id=&Issue_id= What do you think it means or why are some scientists changing their positions on man-made global warming?
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@Debs_place (10525)
• United States
16 May 07
Well, I am not a scientist and I have not analyzed any data, but I do know that the earth has been on a warming trend long before man could say these words. At one time, the earth was in an ice age, look at the beautiful things in nature created by glacial movement. Well those glaciers melted and it had nothing to do with global warming that is man-made. The earth has been warming up since the beginning of time, we maybe speeding up the process with the things we are doing, but like I said, the earth will be warming up - with or without us. My own opinion.
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• United States
16 May 07
You are exactly right. I have seen a chart of the earth's estimated temperature going back through geological time. I posted it in an earlier thread. What happens is that the earth goes through an ice age every few hundred thousand years on a fairly regular basis. Then the earth warms up. It is a fairly predictable reliable cycle. Right now, in terms of geological time, the earth has just come out of an ice age and is not even close to at the natural maximum. So, is global warming happening? YES! Is it man made? NO! The earth is looking at warming up for the next few tens of thousands of years no matter what man does.
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@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
18 May 07
1) I do believe we are in a warming cycle. 2) I believe that it is progressing at a faster pace than normal because of mankind. 3) Why are some scientists changing their positions? Personally, I say check and see what they are getting for making the change. Scientists have changed their positions for quite some time based on who is paying them; giving them funding for their projects; publishing their papers on other subjects; offering them prestigious awards; or lucrative positions. They are called "expert witnesses" and many of them will twist facts and even lie in a court of law. It happens all the time. Who stands to benefit from them changing their position? Big business and governments who don't want the extra costs of cleaning things up or installing cleaner systems in factories and power plants. The money is there and now some scientists who said one thing are "changing their minds and reinterpreting the data".
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• United States
18 May 07
I am pretty certain that if there was any corruption of the scientific process concerning man made global warming it was in declaring that global warming was man made in the first place. Scientists are switching now to natural global warming as opposed to man-made as the facts are coming out. Scientists who want to save their reputations really can not wait any longer to switch without looking like poor scientists. The on going global warming does not look to be faster than what has occurred in the past. I have not seen data to support that global warming is occurring at an un-natural pace. I'd be happy to look at any data concerning global warming. I promise no one is paying me anything for my opinion. I guess myLot pays me a few pennies, but the money is the same no matter what my opinion. :-)
@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
18 May 07
Please remember that I did not say man was the ONLY cause of global warming. After that, it is realy just simple science and common sense. Take 2 bowls of water and set them outside in the sun. Over a period of time the water in both of them will be equally warm. This is a natural process. BUT, if you take a piece of glass and set it up so that it concentrates the sun's energy on one of the bowls; it will get warmer than the other bowl of water and it will get warmer quicker. Now, you could make a case that since the sun is still causing the water to get warm; it is just a natural process. But, if you are being 100% honest, that piece of glass sped that "natural process" up. The facts before that guy came out and declared man-made global warming a "hoax" have not changed. You basically have two camps right now: one claims it is ALL man's fault and the other is saying man has nothing to do with it (NOT ME!). They are unwilling to accept that there may be a middle ground. If you will look at ALL of the facts (not the rhetoric); I think you will find as I have, that a natural process is taking place and it is occuring faster because of man's influence.
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• United States
18 May 07
CO2 in the atmosphere, some of which man puts there, definitely does help the earth to heat up more. What scientists can measure pretty accurately is how much CO2 there is in the atmosphere. We also can estimate fairly close how much of that CO2 man put there. We are talking something on the order of 2% of the CO2 is from man. In the last 100-150 years the earth's average temperature increased by about 1 degree. Of that 1 degree increase only a small percentage was due to greenhouse gasses. Of course, man did not contribute much CO2 except by breathing until 60 or 70 years ago. Still the fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of temperature increase is due to green house gasses and only a small percentage of that small percentage can be due to man. So, yes, man's CO2 helps speed up global warming but it is only a small percentage of a small percentage of influence. The long story short is that if all humans die right now, the temperature of the earth will hardly be affected.
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
16 May 07
This man made global warming is a pet peeve of mine. We are being scammed and the UN and other World Agencies are trying to fast track the notion that man is behind Global Warming in order to reap the monetary rewards that the extra penalties and taxes will generate. Now of course they are using the term Climate Change in order to magnify the fear factor. Anyone who opposes the idea of man's involvement is accused of not facing reality or foolish, in denial or worse. Some scientists are also saying that Mars is going through Global Warming now...how do they think that man is behind that...or is Mars somehow affected by different circumstances and that is merely a coincidence?
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• United States
17 May 07
Not only does the claim of man made global warming become irritating, but so do the people who will not even listen to explanations of how it is not man made. It has not happened in awhile now, but I've even been asked if I work for an oil company! More frustrating still are those who tell me I've not studied the subject enough. I've studied this subject thoroughly. The long story short of this is that you are right concerning it all being a scam
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• United States
17 May 07
You mention that people claim you haven't studied the issue enough. My question is what is there to study?...all you have to do is look at a couple of simple facts and draw what should be a very obvious conclusion. 1. Man has not been recording temperatures long enough to get any type of a useful baseline to forecast long term temperature variables... 2. No one really knows how old the earth is, so there is no way to determine how many of these warming and cooling cycles have occurred... 3. The only real evidence of the last ice age is in glaciers and the ice packs on the poles...Who can say how many times those have thawed and refrozen?...Some of the evidence that is being used is that these are now melting... All of these are a matter of record or knowledge,and they point to cyclical global warming and cooling. This much is pretty much accepted, but the problem arises when we try to blame man for these occurrences, and that theory just doesn't hold up. So my question is... why is everyone so eager to embrace the idea that man is in control of whether or not we have global warming?
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• United States
17 May 07
Mankind seems to just have a tendency to think it is more important and more powerful than it is. Hence, if things are warming up, we must have done it. Of course, we have had maybe a tiny little bit to do with it, but, we can not even be sure we have had even that influence. We can reason out how things work well enough that maybe we made a difference of 1/50 of a degree of the last 1 degree of change. Whoopie! How much difference is that going to make? What I see really going on overall is a group of people who like to take advantage of people's tendency to jump to conclusions and get hysterical. Now, this group of people is attempting to exploit the turmoil they've created. Hello... new taxes and more power to government!
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• United States
17 May 07
You know how Al Gore was all big on purchasing "carbon credits" (what a scam!), well have you see the "carbon deficits" webpage? Pretty funny.
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• United States
17 May 07
No, I have not seen the "carbon deficits" web page. URL?
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• United States
17 May 07
Sorry, it's actually "Carbon Debits" - http://www.carboncreditkillers.com/
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• United States
18 May 07
LOL... LOL... thanks so much for the url. That is one of the funniest web sites I have ever seen. I do have a problem with that web site. I wish I had thought of it first instead of them. I cut my own firewood, so, maybe I could "borrow" the idea when I cut my wood for next year!
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@EvanHunter (4028)
• United States
26 May 07
I read a post not long ago about same thing and I had to agree with Suitsme, what difference does it make we still need to take care of our environment. I look at places I used to go fishing when I was a kid and now you cant eat the fish and the water is nasty. Where we used to repair our possessions we now just throw em out and buy new stuff. As far as scientist go everything we learned 20-40 years ago is now taught as something completely different, its like getting older the only thing you realize as you do is how much you dont know not what you do know. To me global warming is a issue that just keeps us distracted from the real environmental issue and thats are throw it away society.
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• United States
26 May 07
Your response makes me realize I've already done most of the things Al Gore advocates people do to combat global warming. I just did not do them to combat global warming. We need to clean up the environment and pollute less, no matter what. Now, if only we could get the hypocrits like Al Gore to reduce their energy consumption, like the rest of us have to.
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@lisaneuc (56)
• United States
17 May 07
This is an impressive list and highlights the fact that there are some very smart people on both sides of the debate. From everything I've read, it is an extremely complicated subject but I agree with you on your general conclusions: - the planet is warming - human contribution appears to be negligible - there is a large thread of political agenda running through the debate I would add, I don't think we're going to see the end of the world anytime soon except in the movies. Didja catch the article about Greenpeace building an ark? A humorous take on it: http://www.environmentaltalk.com/so-this-is-the-tale-of-the-castaways Good question, RYBD!
• United States
17 May 07
Thanks for the response, the compliment, and especially the link. It is a good one.
@Lindalinda (4112)
• Canada
17 May 07
Hats off to you. You certainly do your research. I was really surprised to see how many scientists reversed their stand on global warming. I don't know how much of global warming is caused through greenhouse emissions and how much is a natural process. I think a lot of scientists believe though that global warming is happening. My own concern is that people are wasting a lot of the earth's resources without a thought for the future and whether or not their actions are accelerating the process.