Ethics question - you and your money

@Debs_place (10520)
United States
May 16, 2007 3:42pm CST
This morning I did a questionnaire on the internet. Here is the question: You have a contractor who comes to your house, gives you an estimate then says if you pay cash you get a 20% discount. What do you do? Pay him using a check? Pay him in cash? Not use him because he is giving you the discount to avoid paying taxes? I said pay him in cash, since I am on a budget. I did not see this as a way to avoid paying taxes. I figured with the discount he is saving on credit card fees, cash in hand is easier for him to buy supplies, maybe save on bookkeeping/accounting fees. The response said I was unethical and was guilty for aiding in a crime or something to that effect. What would you do and why?
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12 responses
@GardenGerty (157546)
• United States
16 May 07
If I did not know for a certainty that he was avoiding taxes, and if I had cash, I would pay him that way. On the other hand, my husband had a mechanic friend that wanted paid that way, for that reason, and it was to avoid taxes. We quit doing that. I always get a receipt, anyway, so I am not so sure it is tax evasion. If there are any energy credits or anything I am eligible for, I want to be able to get them. The receipt always protects me in case there are issues of quality.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 May 07
That is exactly the way I felt, I would have a contract and get receipts. I would have no way of knowing that it was to avoid paying taxes.
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@taurean83 (505)
• United States
16 May 07
I don't think it is a way for Tax exemption but i would pay him cash.As I am saving something and I usually prefer to use cash in every other shopping place too.It's easy and you know how much you are going to spend .Mean you budget will get in limits and you won't get over limit which can happen if you use credit card and any other method of payment.I think that it will be easy for that person too ,to buy things which could be needed or anything that he wants just pay cash and he's fine.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 May 07
I understand, using cash definitely makes it easier to see when you are out of money then on the credit card. I have used cards where the amount often did not show up for weeks, then all of a sudden I over my credit limit. Ouch!
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• United States
18 May 07
I, too, would pay in cash. There isn't really much of a way to avoid paying taxes on it, particularly if he give you a receipt. Also, it saves on bank fees when paying in cash, not just credit card fees like you pointed out. If by check, it saves on waiting for the check to make its way through the bank system, & possibly another thing for the bank to charge a fee on. It's also like you said in that if he needed parts, he can use the cash & go buy them. So there is really nothing unethical about paying in cash.
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• United States
18 May 07
I kind of remember CNN being sued for erroneous reporting, but I cannot remember who sued them. I only remember that they were sued for slander, but paying defamation of character damages. I admit that I am not 100% certain that it was CNN that was sued, but they have been known for misreporting things, & being biased in their reporting.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
18 May 07
It is totally amazing, that CNN has taken the attitude that everyone is dishonest. In this particular question, they accused the contractor or evading takes and the person who uses the discount as being accomplices in the crime. It makes you wonder how they run their business....
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• United States
18 May 07
I'd pay cash BUT with the knowledge that I get a receipt in case the job isn't done right, etc. What he does with his taxes is of no essence to me and my morals. That's his choice, not mine. I'm not responsible for anyone else's actions. 20% can add up quickly on repair jobs. I'd definitely go for the discount. That's his problem if he cheats and gets caught!
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
20 May 07
Yup, you got it right. THe man offers me a price and if it is cheaper with the same results..I go for it.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
17 May 07
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I would never pay a contractor in cash. Simply because of all the horror stories I have heard. Unless it was a relative or a close friend I would pay them by a check or look for another contractor. Matter of fact I would be real leary of anyone that had these terms and probably most certainly would look for another contractor.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 May 07
As I said above, I would check with the better business bureau. But I think the point of the question was to test your ethics, if you knew the contractor, say was your brother, if her offered you a 20% discount, then you would pay him in cash. Is that correct?
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
16 May 07
Well I don't know who did this but I disagree with what they said particularly since they do not have or provide enough information to come to such a conclusion... Cash discounts are very very common in the business world and particularly with contractors. It is true that some people prefer cash so they can 'cheat the system' but the truth is those dishonest people will seldom offer the discount... Cash means no delay on receiving the money so it can be used as needed right then, being paid by check means not only waiting several days to over a week but also when a check bounces there is huge time invested and are out the money they put up for materials.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 May 07
Thank you! Exactly the way I feel. Also, when using a contractor, I check with the better business bureau before I would give him a penny - using check, credit card or cash. If there are complaints, I don't use them. If there are no complaints, I assume that they are honest and are using cash because they are trying to save money and avoid the problems that you described above.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
18 May 07
Wow, If they say that on the contract, then it does sound legit. I guess CNN is really out in left field on this one!
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
17 May 07
My oldest son has worked in construction since he was 15 (31 now) for several different contractors in the area. He now owns his own construction company in Colorado. I know that many if not most contractors have printed 'estimate sheets' and the %20 discount on cash payments is printed right on those - I can't imagine their hidding to much if they do that :)
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
18 May 07
I would pay in cash only if I have invoice said "pay in full"...how many months of warranty I have for work done. My point is I always "pay myself first", so I want to see what advantage and what disadvantage I can have... Ethical? 20 millions illegal immigrants are making cash only and are not paying taxes…. It they are sick…free treatment in state hospital….and probably my contractor worker and I have to pay taxes for it…
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
18 May 07
You have that so right...and now they want to fast track them to let them become citizens...who knows. Well I would think you would get multiple bids and go with the best deal.
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@KrisNY (7590)
• United States
17 May 07
Exactly what you would do- Why is it my business how he handles his taxes? I'm looking for the best price and if he states that I get a discount for paying in cash rather than a check- why would I care? How would I even know that he isn't claiming it as income- I wouldn't. Just like you said- cash payments make it easier for him to buy supplies- and cuts out expenses such as billing me (paper, time, postage), collecting from me, cashing the check, etc. Unethical-- BLAH! I think it is a smart, frugal way of thinking. I agree 100% with you!
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
18 May 07
Wow, It is amazing that so many people are on the same page on this. Unless we know for sure that he is not declaring the income...then we go for the best deal possible. I was so surprised at their answer. I wonder if this was a budgeting question for CNN and not an ethics question, if the would have said you are a fool not to take the 20% discount. We definitely live in a strange world!
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• United States
19 May 07
I would pay him by check. Because if you pay him by cash and he doesn't do what you have contracted him to do how are you going to prove you paid him if for some reason it lands in a court of law. I myself would forego the 20% discount. If he was a good contractor and I had references that let me know this I would still use him.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
20 May 07
I would get a receipt from him for the cash. That would work just as well as a check. If he did not offer the discount, I would use a credit card if I could. Then I could get frequent flyer miles and I might have more clout. I have heard of credit card companies stepping in to those kinds of disputes
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
17 May 07
I would never pay him till the job was done unless we both agreed I had to pay some up front to purchase materials in which case I would use a cheque, this provides me with a paper trail in case of trouble down the line.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 May 07
Usually contractors ask for money upfront, and if the guy is really dishonest, the paper trail would be useless. I had a friend who wanted to remove and addition and replace it with a new, nicer larger one. The guy used a backhoe to remove the old addition, knocking part of the house off the foundation. Then he laid a new foundation and it was not square. This cost her 16K up to this point, then she was supposed to pay the next 16K, and he started showing up only 3-4 hours a week. Then he stopped showing up. He had left the state. She was now out 32K, and then had to pay someone to remove the new foundation and start all over again. Six years later, with all of her paper trail, she is still out 32K.
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• China
20 May 07
I think I will do just like you.it is easy to do this,for I only pay less ,I can save a little.I don't know about the taxes in America.But the theory is that..If in China,unless giving me more discount,I will use the credit card for shopping...
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
24 May 07
Exactly, I think people are the pretty much the same all over
@farhany (67)
• Canada
17 May 07
I think if you know that you aren't going to have any issues with the contractor's work, then paying in cash is a good idea, since you'll save some money. What the contractor does with it, is his problem. Whether he declares it as a sale, is purely his ethnic dilemma, not yours. That is my take on this.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
18 May 07
Yes, if we have no way of knowing for sure that this man is trying to scam the government then we are not at all responsible for what he does. I agree 100%
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