I've noticed something interesting about religious discussions here...

@susieq223 (3742)
United States
June 3, 2007 9:36pm CST
Some people can really get bent out of shape when they feel their beliefs are being attacked. Responses fly back and forth, often with much bitterness and harsh words. Yet when a discussion is posted about the Biblical facts or quoting another religion's sacred scriptures--or about the chief people of the histories of religions, there are very few responses posted. Are we more eager to defend our ideas about our faith than we are to discuss the foundations of those beliefs?
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
4 Jun 07
That is exactly the problem! If more people understood the foundations of their religions there would be a lot less arguing about them.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
Exactly! Because then they could have civil, very interesting discussions.. the same thing goes for the said to be scientifically based belief or theory of origins as opposed to other theories/beliefs debate.. as the same thing happens, and if there were more knowledge of the facts of the debate there could be better discussions rather than calling names or deriding.. All sides to all these debates fall back on the "there is no argument" clause.. which of course is a human made up clause!:)
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Is it too much work to study to understand the foundations? Isn't it easier just to piece together our beliefs from what we're told, then defend our right to be right?
@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Another great topic susieq...ah...religion..that ever controversial subject that gets us all hot under the collar sometimes...the truth of the matter I don't think there's really one religion out there that follows its own doctrines to the letter and many people who are followers of a particular religion don't really understand the true principles behind their own religion..I hate to say it but Christianity is probably big here at being at fault...by that I mean...maybe early Christians held steadfast to the principles Christ taught...but then led to "interpretations" of it by men straying so far from the original dogmas of it. If that weren't true then you wouldn't have so many variations of the Christian religion to begin with...and it all goes to the idea of the attitude ..my religion is better than yours concept...more wars have started that way to "defend" that religious viewpoint of being better...I have no qualms at all about anyones religion. I too was raised in a Christian environment, baptized Catholic, confirmed Protestant and I haven't completely abandoned my Christian beliefs either its just that I've embarked on another path that is fitting to my persona...that of being a follower of the pagan/wicca path...I would like to think I've never "attacked" anyone's beliefs nor I haven't come across anyone attacking mine (yet)---it's unfortunate that sometimes the more what would be considered the more fanatical sects of religion (and this could go for ANY religion, not just Christian) tend to be the most vocal and defensive...They say there's nothing worse than a "convert" --a person who leaves one religion to believe another cause then they tend to get "preachy"--I didn't "convert" to my path ...as I wasn't as I said completely abandoning my Christian views..but expanding them...I say this cause I also have studied Hinduism, and Buddhism..and blend all views and dogmas into what I believe in. But maybe when discussions go into Biblical facts or quoting another religion's sacred scriptures it could be that it doesn't get a rousing onslaught of responses because maybe some just don't want to listen to the facts..they rather believe in the "interpretation" of their religion as being one- hundred percent true--there's a difference I think--no?
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I guess I am in a serious mood tonight! I agree completely with your statements. All religions seem to have their fanatics. I guess just about everything has fanatics of some kind. We do tend to get very emotional about our religions and our politics!
• United States
4 Jun 07
Yes, SusieQ.. religion and politics.. but there's almost nothing else worth discussing..!:)
@winky73 (1396)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Very good question and I think a lot of times we are to absorbed with our own beliefs to really hear the other person out and see their point of view.....or even allow them their point of view. This does not just happen with relgion....but quite often you get the same for voicing your opinion on any touchy subject.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
How right you are. I do get so absorbed in my own thing that I don't listen to someone else. I also have this thing about having to be right all the time. Doesn't encourage listening either. Thanks.
• United States
4 Jun 07
Yea you're right. I think that happens because people are pay more attention to controversial discussions. For instance, look at the news. The bad news are always the ones that get more attention. It's messed up. It shouldn't be that way.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Very astute observation. Wonder why we are like that? Thanks for your reply.
@cook4t7 (202)
• United States
4 Jun 07
This about the most reasonable statement I've seen, very nice,( Shalom )
@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Thank you for your reply. Shalom to you, also.
@AmbiePam (46429)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Oh, you've hit the nail on the proverbial head!
@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Thank you. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of responses I get.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
I have noticed that too. As a example I started a discussion of the HISTORY of the Catholic church. Only got 6 replies (you were one). Post something that is based on people's ideas or thoughts and you get many more replies. Have you recently posted such a discussion that didn't get many replies that I missed?
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• United States
4 Jun 07
I'm new and must have missed your discussion. I try to answer honest questions, but probably wouldn't respond to a "Why are Catholics stupid idol worshippers?" type question:)
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• United States
4 Jun 07
I am pretty sure that the bulk of members here would be able to tell you that I really go out of my way to be respectful even if I don't agree. I would never post such a question in such an insulting way.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
Whoops, I didn't mean to imply that you did. It was just an example:) I briefly looked at the discussions you've started. We have some things in common. My son has a genetic disorder, i'm sort of a crafter (I put together jewelry, see avatar), I have a 3 year old, and we plan on homeschooling!
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• United States
4 Jun 07
Unfortunately most people don't know the facts or history, especially off the top of their heads. I know for me, I know the general answer but need to research the specific facts. There are also the "bait" questions. I have fallen into this trap before. Somebody asked a question about why Catholics believe in the Assumption of Mary. I answered the question with the Scripture references and reasons behind the dogma. The person responded with a few choice words. They didn't really want to know why, they just wanted to start a useless argument.
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@ShawnDay (227)
4 Jun 07
It's ridiculous, isn't it? I have friends who are born again Christians (one of my children, in fact)and we always went to church (Catholic, later Protestant) and we were always very involved in the church. But, I also have good friends who are Pagan and some who are atheist, and one relative is Jewish — and kosher, to boot. Never once had a problem with any of them. I love getting into philosophical discussions when people are using their heads and not their emotions. One thing that drives me crazy is when Christians talk about the Old Testament as if those people were Christian. The Old Testament characters predate Christianity, they're mostly Jewish and the word Christian comes from the word Christ and he didn't show up before the New Testament, so how on earth were any Christians around before him?
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
I am with you on the bait questions. You have no way of knowing which they are either. I would interested to know the scriptures and reasons behind the dogma of beliefs. I not only like to know these things, I need to know. I may be wrong in some of my beliefs. How can I learn except by asking, listening and considering the answers?
• United States
6 Jun 07
I agree SusieQ. I learned much of Church history by answering questions, either my own or from others. It's a continuing process. Of course it always requires a bit of faith as well.
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@shestalou (293)
• Canada
5 Jun 07
I will join a religious discussion as long as it is respectful of religious differences, I do not like to bible bash so to speak, I honestly believe that is not how Christ conducted his teachings.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
I agree. Christ not only taught love, but he railed against those who were not willing to listen! While I am a Christian, I am not going to say that other religions are wrong or have nothing to offer. I don't know but that God has chosen to talk to different people in different ways.
• Canada
5 Jun 07
That was very well said susieq, I love the explanation for different dominations and you know it makes alot of sense, thank you.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
yea,well,my god can kick your gods ask,yep.my god is invisible and is all powerful and has no temples,churches,synagoges,etc. that can be destroyed,and did I say invisible,oh yea.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Good one! I like that "My god can kick your god..." That sums it up nicely. You do have a way with words!
• United States
6 Jun 07
And did I tell you that 'eee's invisible?And all-powerful?Got a really nice car too.
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@pallidyne (858)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Unfortunately several of the responses here assume that the facts of history are as absolute as the dogma the other assume it to be. Both of these opinions require faith. Its either faith that this historical text was recorded correctly or that the scripture was. Just as the "Church" repressed Galileo's discoveries pertaining to the Earth not being central, the scientific community once stated it had found "proof" that the Bible was false because Nineveh could not have existed. They stated that since it hadn't been found, and was supposedly so large, it must be just a parable in the Bible. Of course in the 19th century it was found beneath some mounds. I'm wary of anyone who states they have the "facts" on anything pertaining to religeon, as they can be just as in error as a rabid TV Evangelist.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
You have a point. People often assume something to be a fact, when it is really only a theory or an interpretation. I think that is the main reason we should listen and consider before making up our minds. I also hope even after I've "made up my mind" I am still open-minded enough to keep learning.
@flowerchilde (12520)
• United States
4 Jun 07
..I've asked myself this very question! why am I not more interested in the bible verse posts? And am actually trying to get myself to begin more discussions on scriptures or about scriptures.. as I have a few examples written in my notebook.. I guess I go to the debates because I see the world as in the grip of the worldview wars.. And I believe the worldview differences to be the 'frontlines' as to me one question is "do we deal with the world that is? or the world as we wish it were?" And that this question has large impact upon the lives which will be lived by my grandchildren.. and to me the other issue is, is it right to exclusively teach all children in the country that evolution theory is proven and/or fact.. This also greatly impacts life and the life of the country and if it's wrong, we (the country) could be making some "grave" mistakes.. Frontlines, I'm thinkin'.. :)
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
You have brought up some very good points. Too bad we aren't taught how to ask questions and listen to others before we make up our minds. I will be looking for your discussion on scriptures.
• United States
4 Jun 07
It is a very sensitive subject for most people. Tradition is inbred so deeply, that they cannot share open thoughts.
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
It is a sensitive issue and one that is hard to be open minded about. After all, Jesus was crucified for stating his opinions!
@charms88 (7546)
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
Since I joined mylot, I always make it a rule to avoid religious topics. I realized that no matter how we tried to voice out our opinion regarding our beliefs, there will always be a debacles or arguments. Its not for fear of posting my views but I rather show my respect to anyone regardless of their beliefs and religions.
@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
5 Jun 07
I'm glad to didn't avoid this one! It is probably a good idea to avoid them because you are right. As long as we each believe ours is the right way to believe, there will be debates and arguments.