The three banishments of the human being
By missak
@missak (3311)
Spain
June 13, 2007 12:30am CST
The first one was by Galileo - the human being is not the center of the universe (it is the Sun or whatever else). The second one was by Darwing - the human being is not the perfect being (it has evolved and is evolving). The third one was by Freud - the human being is not free (decision is a psicological deformation of instinct ruled acts).
What do you think about this? I have more information about the first and the second, but I can't find the third on internet, anyone has more information on this Freudian topic?
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@GardenGerty (157485)
• United States
13 Jun 07
This is an interesting way to present history and theories. I do not agree with Darwin as he is presented to us. I do agree that the human being is not the perfect being, however. I will look around and see if I can find you some links a little later today and will post some more to this discussion. I like the analogies that you present about the human being.
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@GardenGerty (157485)
• United States
13 Jun 07
http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=IJP.043.0395A This link seems to be referring to what you are talking about, but you either have to subscribe to the service or perhaps your school does.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
13 Jun 07
Thank you! This is not by myself, is what told me my philosophy teacher. Personally, I don't accept Freud's point, so I am specially interested in some wrtings that explain his thoughts on that further, in order to understand it better, and if I can, refutate it with a serious base.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
13 Jun 07
Thoose "banishments" were a methaphore to think about human kind. It is about the "human self esteem" or how in general humans think of themselves. In the middle age (I was not there but this is what I have studied) we thought we humans were the center of the world and the best specie of the universe, and a free being. Some modern philosophies think we are none of thoose. I think we are still free...
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@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Jun 07
Actually both in ancient India and Ancient Greece and Babylonia astronomers had proposed Heliocentric theories. The first modern to suggest the idea was not Galileo but by Copernicus to discuss the idea fully in his De revolutionibus.
Nor was Darwin the first to suggest evolution, indeed his father, had similar ideas and Lamarck had previously suggested a different form of evolution, from which we have the term Lamarckism. What was important about Darwin was that he worked out the mechanism, natural selection, by which evolution proceeds.
Freud, was also not the first and certainly offers a lesser achievement than the other names. Nietzsche had already introduced the idea of the unconscious mind. And the question of Free Will is not resolved by Freud. in fact good grounds remain for still considering ourselves free.
If you want authoritative information on Freud I could recommend some books, if that is a help.
All the best urban
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
13 Jun 07
Yes, I already knew about this. Specially I like Lamark's theory to explain Khun's paradigm theory, and I know the theories of thoose I mentioned were not the best or the definitive nor the first. I know someone in old Greece calculed accurately the circumference of the Earth, I don't remember the name, basing on the posistions of the stars we wee look at them in Egypt and in Greece.
But I was talking about here was about the impact in the general minds of the Eastern Society, at least this is what I had studied. I accept the two first "banishments" and know there are other sources for it. But as you, I don't accept a freedom banishment and that is why I want to know more about Freud's point on that, to find a correct refutation.
I know about Nietsche, but he had different points about free will. He accepted a complex definition of ego and the "liberation" of human being from traditional links, so I think he is not deterministic.
So I would be really thankful if you target me to some reading where Freud explains further his kind of determinism.
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@elshaddai123 (3981)
• Kottayam, India
14 Jun 07
Better to avoid the third man he will also make some gimmicks.
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@herrbaggs (1308)
• United States
13 Jun 07
Well they were wrong. There are people on mylot who know they are at the center of the universe and that they are perfect and that they have an infallible free will. If you want to know what makes them god like just ask them, they will tell you in great detail.
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@pina_land (250)
• Singapore
14 Jun 07
I think the 3rd on means that human being is confined to rules that are also made by themselves. Although it is often said that human being is born free, that is not true. You can't do anything you like. So man is not really free. Thats what I think..
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