Busybodies? Vigilantees ? Heroes? Criminal infidels?
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
June 16, 2007 1:53pm CST
Doing their own undercover work, a group of Americans has uncovered a covert network of radical Muslims who preach hatred of the USA. Here is the url:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/islamic_0.htm
In your opinion are these people who did this research busybodies who should mind their own business, dangerous vigilantees, heroes, or criminal infidels who should be sent to jail?
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@Riptide (2758)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I think these people are heroes. We need more people who keep their eyes open and recognize the dangers that lurk in our midsts. If more people would do this, the terrorists wouldn't have a chance in hell and would have to find another breeding ground besides the USA.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I sort of think they are heroes, too. Except it is possible their talking about this will make the suspect Muslims more cautious and upset ongoing official government investigations, which I'm sure are going on.
I have very mixed feelings about this. It is either really good what they have done or really bad. I do not have enough info to tell which.
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
17 Jun 07
We are a country that tends to keep our heads in the sand most of the time already! We have so many people that are anti-war, anti-bush, don't believe we are in danger from terrorists, etc. that someone needs to watch out for our best interests! I say bravo to these guys and thanks for the info!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Yes, we do tend to keep our heads in the sand. This is why I'm not sure that what these guys did is a bad thing. Ordinarily, I'd condem outright anything that looked like taking the law or what should be the government's work into one's own hands. In this case, I don't know what to think. Maybe it really is necessary.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
17 Jun 07
I am really uneasy about this type of activity. It could do a lot of good if the group worked closely with your Homeland Security, on the other hand if the group is comprised of vigilantes or encourages the idea to take matters in one's own hands it could lead to bloodshed or to drive jihadists deeper into the underground.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Yes, I'm uneasy about this, too. Given that the government has been foiling terrorist plots in the USA since 9-11, they must be doing a decent job of it. Sticking private noses into what should be the government's business could be a big mistake. I'm of the opinion that if the government is doing a good job, let them do it.
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@VKXY62 (1605)
• Australia
20 Jun 07
Hmm, just goes to show you how stupid radical extremists can really be.
If I had an intense hate for the USA, I would be smart enough to realise I don't hate the people living in the USA, just the incumbent government, I would then go all out raising funds for my cause. Would I buy weapons and explosives so that my buddies and I could attack some US military outpost and be wiped out (like what keeps happening),
No, not this little black duck, I would donate all of the funds to the political opposition, that would then actually cause a bit of worry in the camp. There would of course be strings attached to the donation, like, more mosques for Tennessee islamists.
:-)
Ouch !
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Jun 07
Your analysis points out the true motives of the Islamic radical extremists. If in fact, they wanted to change the USA, they would fund the political opposition. However, as they really are just violent miscreants in denial concerning their own evil intentions they plot violence and mayhem which in truth they enjoy for its own sake.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
18 Jun 07
I would have to say that they fall into the hero category.
They are doing what needs to be done...for all of the talk about Islam being a religion of peace, and the Muslims being peaceful, there is much evidence that says they are not.
I think it time to take a serious look at these centers and Muslims in general, and start taking some steps to protect ourselves from this threat.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Jun 07
If the government is doing nothing, these guys are heroes.
If the government is doing something and these guy's efforts are interfering, then they are worse than busybodies.
Unfortunately, we have know way to know which it is that I can tell.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
19 Jun 07
You do have a good point, and there is no way of telling what the government is actually doing.
We may not think the government is doing anything when in fact a good investigation takes time and patience.
We read so much about all of these training camps and such being set up everywhere and allowed to continue, and it seems like nothing is being done, although that may not be the case.
We of course no nothing of any investigation until the arrests are made and the indictments are in.
So it is really hard to say whether these people are helping or hindering the situation.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
19 Jun 07
Under law, technically they're vigilantes..
I personally have always hated that law. "If you're not a cop you can't be a hero." Is a stupid rule.
In my opinion, they are heroes.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
19 Jun 07
The problem with "playing cop" is the harm you can do. The amount of this harm you can do is huge. In today's sue happy society, one needs to be really careful as to "playing cop".
In this case, these guys might be heroes, but all the facts are not in.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
19 Jun 07
The problem with that though is, sometimes people can do more than cops can. People can make more of a diffence.
The amount of harm?
Most of the vigilante cases I've read, the people simply detained -- by tying up the people -- so that the cops could get to them..or some of them would personally gather evidence when it wasn't their job to.
Killing people and hurting them when you don't have any proof..that's wrong, yeah.
In that sense, I mean..jerks who just want to bust some heads because there's a tiny chance the people are bad folks ARE vigilantes..anyone who can actually do some good and are smart about it aren't..and if people weren't all lumped into one category we might have a better society.
That's all I'm saying.
