Sick of ignorance on Mylot- Islam and terrorism.
June 17, 2007 12:26pm CST
First off, what´s wrong with you guys. Muslims taking old testament and gospel of Judas to poke at Christians, Christians taking off-context Qranic quotes and hate sites to poke fun at Muslims. Really guys. Relax. Sites like Evilbible, Prophetofdoom, Positiveatheism, SatanicIslam, are NOT trusted sites. If the first thing you do when you read something in a site that already declaers itself to be against some faith is to repost it here, without checking if its true, seriously, something is worng with you. Now on terrorism and Islam, here in Mylot there is a strong and enduring perception, guided by voices such as diverse as Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden, that dearly wishes to portray Islam as an inherently violent, imperialist religion. There's just one very large problem with that. For the vast majority of worldwide Muslims, its simply not true, as studies continue to show. Not only is it not true for most everyday Muslims, its not true for Muslim leaders either: Worldwide Muslims condemn Al-Qaeda http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php Muslim teachers, leaders, and scholars condemning terrorism http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm Perhaps the best Islamic analysis on Sept. 11th was written by Abdulaziz Sachedina. http://www.uga.edu/islam/sachedina.html Never heard of him? Of course not. He is quite possibly the leading Islamic Studies scholar- http://books.google.com/books?id=AH9k4VIznQwC&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=sachedina+divine+justice&source=web&ots=RbBVqAHMrc&sig=HI-t1CnonRGOVfYlahOokW-R29o#PPP1,M1 Who is researching the theological frameworks and Sharia of Shia Islam, not to mention Islamic Roots of Democratic Pluralism http://books.google.com/books?id=Yq8NXzQZkdAC&dq=islamic+roots+of+democratic+pluralism&psp=1 As well as Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Virginia, he is more than readily available as a U.S. media source. But have you ever heard him or read him quoted? He is just one example of how specific Muslim voices are jettisoned in favor of pictures of anonymous crowds, veiled faces, and shrill rhetoric from a fraction of the Islamic world. In the eyes of many Americans, Islam is somehow the face of terrorism. For this, both Islamic extremists and anti-Islamic extremists, sadly, are to blame, and weak stupid hate websites that I see all the time on Mylot. But in fact, many members of different religions commit terrorism. http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/roy1 http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Current_News233.htm The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom is well aware of this. http://www.wwrn.org/sparse.php?idd=13468 Shortly after 9/11, 3,000 peaceful Muslim pilgrims were slaughtered in the Gujarat province of India by Hindu fundamentalists. http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?132749 But you didn't hear about it in the U.S. media,nor in Mylot, as the Bible and Koran thumpers are too busy screaming out at each other, and very few people think of Hinduism as an inherently violent religion, even though their holy texts have as much violence as any those of any other major religion. The point is not to pick on Christianity in Serbia or Hinduism in India, Like these religions, there are about a billion Muslims in the world. They aren't going away. You will have to get along with them. In just looking at the U.S alone--- American Muslims have been speaking out for years: The Fiqh Council of North America has issued a fatwa (legal judgment) against terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh_Council_of_North_America Which can be read here. A PDF is available as well. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4775588 PDF http://www.cair.com/FatwaJuly2005.pdf Likewise, the Islamic Society of North America has also continued to support this position. http://www.isna.net/index.php?id=35&backPID=1&tt_news=765 Those thinking that Islam necessarily denigrates women might be interested to know that the ISNA is headed by Dr. Ingrid Mattson. http://www.isna.net/index.php?id=35&backPID=1&tt_news=769 Dr. Mattson is also a prominent scholar of Islamic theology and law at Hartford Seminary. http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/mattson.htm Other prominent women in American Islam include Dr. Yvonne Y. Haddad at Georgetown University and others as well. http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/haddady/ Moreover, women have been both religiously and politically prominent in Islam over the years. http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Muslim_Leaders.htm In areas of the world where Islam is a minority tradition, Muslims have at times overwhelmingly voted for women candidates running for national office, such as during the 2007 Presidential elections in France. http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.408044558&par=0 In the United States, where Muslims account for between 3%-5% of the population, women have risen to prominence as well, not just as the President of the ISNA, but also as senior advisors in the U.S. State Department. http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Religion&loid=8.0.416713332&par=0 TV and radio ads in a multitude of languages have gone out from just one organization alone, much less others http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1675&theType=NR When people complain about not hearing Muslims on the subject of violence, its because they HAVENT BEEN LISTENING at all. These blind hateful beings choose to close their ears, and listen to their bigoted firends and sites. http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html Amazing how the media ignores 20,000 in one rally alone in Germany. http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=8533&sec=33&con=49 Anywhere from 100,000 to almost a quarter-million rallied against extremist violence in Jordan alone, when al-Zarqawi's extremist organization conducted terrorist operations there. http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/11/thousands_rally.html And tens of thousands of people rallied in Karachi, Pakistan against reactionary extremists there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6558501.stm The evidence is overwhelming. But radical extremists, ESPECIALLY THE ANTI-MUSLIMS, don't listen and don't want to listen to them. Perhaps that suggests they have more in common than they think with the terrorists. More to the point, if Islamophobes think Muslims haven't been speaking out, its because they haven't been listening to how 1 billion people on the planet actually live their lives. Rather, those who define ANY particular religion as hateful love to point to Islamic texts, when other texts and historic episodes of other major religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity) also contain horrific violence. In fact, the entire sacred narrative of the Hindu sacred poem the Bhagavad Gita is set in the midst of a civil war. Yet the vast majority of religious practitioners of major faiths are not violent. Why are religious people sometimes violent? Because humans are sometimes violent. And whatever else religion may be, it always has at least one foot in the human world, because humans practice it. We don't hear about peaceful and charitable people in the news precisely because peace and genuine sacrifice doesn't make the news. http://www.thezakat.org/About-Us.aspx And it is increasingly popular to blame Islam because one fears legitimate criticism of U.S. policy. Studies have demonstrated that in the United States, African-American Muslim leaders, such as those in the American Society of Muslims http://www.ar-razzaq.org/MosqueCares/asm.htm http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:pfY7-_3HQe0J:www.migration-boell.de/downloads/diversity/PeterSkerry_AmericasOtherMuslims.pdf+HSAAM&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a have consistently been harsher and more critical of their government and country than immigrant-American Muslims. http://www.cair-net.org/mosquereport/index.html If you really want to understand the connections between religion and violence, there is probably no better place to start than closely examining suicide bombing by Iraq's insurgency. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9966084 What you will find is that there are important cross-cultural (and non-religious) connections between major episodes of suicide attacks, from ancient zealots to Japanese kamikaze to contemporary Islam-influenced insurgents http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_to_Win:_The_Strategic_Logic_of_Suicide_Terrorism Now, I´m not absolving what many in the middle east do. What they do is WRONG and IHUMANE. But if one cannot tell apart between a religion and things done in anme of a religion, and needs to live off posting articles from hate sites, oh well, so much for humanity´s ability to evolve. I´m taking a break from Mylot, just tired of hearing stuff bigots from the Muslim side saying that "we must kill person for insulting a prophet" or "Mulsims are evil because some Palestinians throw acid on wives". Take care, apologies for the rash tone. ----------------------- -JCM-
5 people like this
18 Jun 07
Thanx for the info.... The links you supplied will be very helpful as I'm doing a research now on Islam Extremism. Which I hope will teach more people from my place to understand the Islam and Muslims better. what I've found is most people really are in here for the money, thus, most no-brain, knee-jerk reactions to post. Sadly, your post might not even merit a glance to them. Keep it up though.It better to be humble and learned than to appear wise but ignorant... Kuddos to you..
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31 Jul 07
I agree. Some people read several websites or several books and make harsh accusation towards Islam and Muslim. While good people out there working hard for a harmonious inter-religion relationship they work hard to promote some kind of hatred. Not sure about their knowledge about Islam but I am sure they have no good manners..
• United States
18 Jun 07
I think that it is sad that some people dump on other religions. The world is just what it is full of hypocrits and to many fake want to be holyier than thus people. Religion has many faces many names and many different beliefs. I am not Muslim myself but my child's grand parents are. And regardless of there beliefs I love them the same. If someone fully understand the religion then research it..study it so that u can a have an understanding of it..Who are we to judge one another..that is up to whatever higher power u pray to..to decide.by the way this was a very long article but thanks it needed to be said..
18 Jun 07
I agree with you. There are a lot of people who speak very irresponsibly on MyLot. I live in India, this is a country that was partitioned into Islamic Pakistan and 'secular' India. Even after the partition (where Muslims were suposed to leave for Pakistan) India has more Muslims than Pakistan does. Understandably our history has resulted in some tension between Hindus and Muslims and we do have communal problems here which even erupts into violence sometimes. But I have to say that I have never come across such virulent and ignorant attacks against Islam anywhere else (I'm a Hindu and I have heard my fair share of anti- muslim sentiment AND propaganda before), I don't know if that's because Mylot gives you anonymity and therefore people speak out more freely or just because people feel that they will attract more responses (which translates into more money)if they attack a religion. It's also possible that these discussions are posted out of genuine ignorance and fear(maybe the people who start these discussions have never interacted with Muslims or come from places that do not have significant muslim populations. Anyway I feel that it's best to ignore the really negative discussions and counter them by starting discussions with a more positive approach (like this one) rather than playing into the hands of those who want to incite responses on the basis of hate speak.
18 Jun 07
That was a lot of reading and i honestly doubt there will be lot of people here on Mylot who are going to give that much time to reading it insterad of making some non-sense posts to earn some quick points. I would just like to add this one link to all of your links. www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html Though I dont really think you will find yourself agreeing to it 100%. But have we ever had any direct interaction with that guy who is known as Osama Bin Laden. That is the BIG question.
18 Jun 07
Oh please! They have the same ideology of those that carried attacks before in Egypt and Algeria (thousands of civilians were killed by them). They don't care about civilians lifes. And after this 'interview', he (and his aids) many times advocated the attacks, and then, look what's happening in Iraq. I am sorry, but I am not a fan of the conspiracy theorists, or skeptics, I just like to look at the facts.
• United States
17 Jun 07
I think there is a lot of valid criticism of Islam right now and whats worse sometimes is the inability to accept the criticism contstructively or even have a usefull debate about it. You are a rarity on internet forums in how sensible and coherently you acknowledge downfalls but still bring out the good in Islam. Of course it isn't evil and some people acting on perversion (even if it may be many and their actions have strong reactions) don't mean everyone is part of it.
17 Jun 07
Very true, sadly these days it seems that more of them are putting up "look at members of evil cult of islam stoning women" instead of "look at these Arabs in Saudi Arabia stoning women". Its like they cant see outside that 25% window... its not pelasant entering Mylot and finding people are calling you Evil Barbarian, especially people who profess to follow the humblest to have lived.
• United States
17 Jun 07
Sorry but this was way to long to read but you have to understand that a lot of members here only write to get the money and give very little thought to what it is that they are writing about. I think a lot of them don't even care what kind of responses they get. No apologies needed for the 'rash tone'...your entitled just as everyone here is.
• United States
31 Jul 07
If there was one true religion this would not be it. It isn't Catholicism either. I don't really care what religion you are. There are plenty of Christians who have committed terroristic acts. People are people. But some people are crazier than others. LOL
18 Jun 07
I think you've said that quite well. I don't believe people actually hate or despise anything, they just want to argue against or for something and then it all becomes about 'winning' the arguement. It is bad to go into discussions with that sort of attitute because then you will neve learn anything. You can dissagree with someone but still respect their view at the same time, it doesn't mean you have lost.
• New Zealand
18 Jun 07
Hey Hulio, I can understand your angst. You do make a very impassioned case with fairly extensive links. As a decent Muslim, and an intelligent person, you are understandably frustrated with the bigotry of people in this forum. Sachedina, is interesting. I have read many references to his work, but have not yet had the opportunity to read any of his work. Sachedina is interesting insofar as he has made the personal breakthroughs that allow him to be Imam for a Sunni mosque while he was born into Shiism, trained as a Shia scholar. AS for the rest of your long post, I will read it tomorrow and respond. Cheers!