revealing army secrets..what i heard yesterday..

@liranlgo (5743)
Israel
June 21, 2007 10:52pm CST
I was at work yesterday, and there was a man that came into our office, i know this men for two months now, and the others know him from a few years. He belongs to the college staff, and people see him as a very serious person. He sat in front of us and started telling us military secrets, about things that were about to happen in a few months, with the security situation in iran. I was in shock and asked him, how come a man in his degree in the army, reveals all of this top security information to us. He told us that he is worried about us, and wanted us to plan things out before all of those things happen. What do you think of that? Letting out this top security information? How would you react to this? Can a person like this be in the top security army forces? Would you just go and report him?
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@nicolec (2674)
• United States
22 Jun 07
Well don;t keep it a secret! Actually, if he is telling you something he shouldn't be, he can get in some big trouble. Did you ask your co workers about it? Maybe he was playing a game and it's something he does often. Your co workers might know about that. If it is true, what he is saying...well....I guess it's time to build that bomb shelter in your back yard.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Well my bomb shelter is ready. I know that all of the people's bomb shelters are ready im my country. Because a year ago we had the israel-lebanon war, and we had alote of missles coming at us. I really do not know if to believe him or not, but i will get myself ready just in case.
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• United States
22 Jun 07
this is scarey i wish you all safety through your life. i love israel! it was nice country on my holiday and i hope safety for israelis!
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
28 Jun 07
Thank you proffes:)
• United States
22 Jun 07
Having a brother that is in special forces, and does all of his " work" covertly, I have to say, that I don't know if I would believe the guy to be honest with you. My brother has been in the Military for almost 20 years ( omg, he and I are getting old!) Anyway, when he is on what I call a " mission", we never know where he is, nor where he has been or what he has done, his favorite line is " if I tell you, I would have to kill you". Could it be that this guy that you know is trying to impress you with his " info?" Seriously, my sister in law that has little kids doesn't even know where my brother is when he is working, she goes for weeks without talking to him. I would just take what he says with a grain of salt, seriously, don't be scared or worried. And if its true, that he is giving civilians classified information, he will be sent to the klink soon!
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• United States
22 Jun 07
sorry that this posted twice! I wonder how I did that?! The more I think about it, the more I think the guy is just fooling, I would not take him seriously at all. Think about it, if this were allowed and true, wouldn't all the soldiers warn their families?
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
yes. they were. but the families would not tell each other. because it is a top secret information. just worry about themselves..
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@sandwedge (1341)
• Malaysia
22 Jun 07
in the military, usually those that don't know anything talks. those who are keeping secrets know they know stuffs and they don't have to prove themselves big shots, keeps quiet. the person apparently is shooting his mouth off bu****itting trying to sound like he is a big shot in the military. usually those are the ones USED by the army to spread disinformation.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Maybe you are right sand..i hope so:0
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• United States
22 Jun 07
I think you should be careful who you trust. Are you sure this guy was for real or just a fraud? Get his name and check with the U.S. Military, im sure there is a way to do so. Also, like everyone else here, Whats the secret?? :)
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Agita. I don't think checking in the u.s. military would help much, because we are from israel. And here everyone serves in the army, so they got all of our names..:) I do not know if i trust him, but i will act like i believe him, because it is my safty.
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• Australia
22 Jun 07
My brother in law use to work on an army base, 2 days after 9/11 he called me to let me know certain forces had been dispatched that day due to the incident. His reason for telling me was. He loves his family and in the event of any form of invasion, he would make sure his family was protected and fore warned. I have no issue with what I was told and I let other's know without reveling the source. It made me feel safer knowing someone was looking out for my children in the face of possible terrible conditions. Of course it might depend on how sensitive the information is, but myself, I would rather be forewarned.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
I understand your position here. Yes, i do appreciate that he told me what he did. But still i think he should not have done that.
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@sedel1027 (17868)
• United States
22 Jun 07
I'd be he is just pulling your leg. If anyone found out that he said anything real, I am sure there are dire consequences in the military of your country.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
I do hope he did that, and nothing would happen..
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@4cuteboys (4103)
• United States
22 Jun 07
That's pretty scary and a pretty big no no! I wouldnt have been happy to hear all of that at all, and I might have said something to him about how that's pretty disrespectful to the military or something. I dont know. I wonder why he thought it was ok to do so. Even if he was worried thats still not a good idea.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Well we focused on what he said, and asked him for some answers, that would help us plan our future better in here..
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• United States
22 Jun 07
Having a brother that is in special forces, and does all of his " work" covertly, I have to say, that I don't know if I would believe the guy to be honest with you. My brother has been in the Military for almost 20 years ( omg, he and I are getting old!) Anyway, when he is on what I call a " mission", we never know where he is, nor where he has been or what he has done, his favorite line is " if I tell you, I would have to kill you". Could it be that this guy that you know is trying to impress you with his " info?" Seriously, my sister in law that has little kids doesn't even know where my brother is when he is working, she goes for weeks without talking to him. I would just take what he says with a grain of salt, seriously, don't be scared or worried. And if its true, that he is giving civilians classified information, he will be sent to the klink soon!
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Well i do not know if to believe him either. He has been in the army for 30 years. and he plays a very important part in one of the secret units over there. But still i do know people that are in secret units, and they never reveal any secrets. That is why it is too strange to me. But maybe you will get a visit from me in your country, in two months. LOl.
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@FSCAries (881)
• United States
22 Jun 07
Well, I'm not sure about all the questions you asked, but after you having said what you said, I am curious as to what he said. I know that my brother spent 8 years enlisted and was over in Iraq for almost 2 years, and now that he's out he is working for the government as a civilian, but they are sending him over there soon and for what I'm not sure. I know he's into some pretty important stuff, and news like yours concerns me.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
I do understand your cocern but you do not need to be worried it does not involve iraq and i do not know if we should believe this person that said those things so easily..
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@shestalou (293)
• Canada
22 Jun 07
Okay what are these top military secrets that he revealed to you, could you explain it a little more, I would like to know those secrets to, lol.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Lol shes, you know that it would not do you any good just to the israeli citizens.
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• United States
22 Jun 07
He's worried about you!?!?! What is going to happen?!? WTF?
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Well yes he is worried about his closest but still i do not think that he should have done what he did.
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• United States
22 Jun 07
Don't report him. Are you serious? If anything, you should spread the word unless you don't wanna take the risk. It probably has something to do with the US killing people. (or Isreal of course). Terrible things are about to happen in the coming years anyway. Who knows what the world will be like in just a few years. There could be massive changes.
• Israel
22 Jun 07
The story you now just tell is awful! Telling military secrets is something one shouldn't do, no matter what (unless it is something that is illegal - like military experiments on soldiers and the likes). I believe such people must be reported, since we are in a very delicate situation. Before Operation Antebe, when someone only mentioned something that sounded like that subject, he would have been silenced until the end of the operation. It should not be any different now - if a man or a woman cannot be trusted with military secrets, his/her security level should be re-evaluated. Every time I see some military secrets in the newspaper, I think the world has gone mad - secrets are a part of the military power! They shuold not be revealed! About what you said. The plans to attack Iran are in the newspapers already (check Walla). I believe it is more a part of a propoganda, because Israel would rather solve the situation without using force.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Well you know you are right about the plans about iran in every newspaper, but you really do not know what will be done about it..and exactly when.. ..
• United States
22 Jun 07
i think that is dangerous idea. not good to rile those people up. i hope israel reamin safe and all the israeis too. i pray for you.
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• Israel
22 Jun 07
I'm afraid it is not only Israel's safety on the line. The immediate threat is to Israel, yes, but since Iran admits publicaly it supports terro, how long do you think before the Vatican would suffer from those fanatics with nukes? A grim day to humanity it would be indeed, when this menace would have nuclear capabilities. Your prayer is more than welcome - may god help us all. Thank you for your prayer.
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@mimpi1911 (25455)
• India
28 Jul 07
hi liran, i am not sure what do you mean by top military secrets. its quite possible that what you are thinking as secret is not a secret anymore. i guess, he knows all about confidentiality and secrets and oaths that they take while in forces. so, i think, he wouldn't do something that would strp off of his respectability. its even possible, that he's been instructed to pass on the message for the benefit of the commoners. he was just feeling the pulse of the public. however, you are a better judge. if you really think he has ket out something he shouldn't have, you should report. but i think, before doing so, you should judge the severeity and gravity of his words. good luck!! PS: sorry, iam running late liran. by now, i guess, things have settled. pls update me on this.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
29 Jul 07
Mimpi you are never late..:) And i do appreciate every response i get from you. You had some interesting ideas here. But the situation is more complicated. I will not report him. first of all i really do not know if he is right and where he got his information. (well i do know where but only partly) second of all there is such a ceous here, that all we can do is just wait and see if things happen like he said they would.
@mimpi1911 (25455)
• India
30 Jul 07
Thanks Liran. yeah, that would be the right move. you are being wise and patient. i am glad that you are. hope things are pkay with you all there. take care of yourself and your lot. God Bless.
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• Canada
3 Jul 07
H liranlgo I found your site in response to another and find this discussion rather disturbing on a number of fronts. First and foremost...how reliable is the person imparting the information? Does he have a history of stretching the true to inflate his ego? Do you think his reasons for revealing military secrets valid? How important is this information to group he shared it with? Why would he single you out to disclose it...is he playing a mind game...testing loyalties...seeing who breaches trust and then reports them to someone else? If he is running a con that is dangerous...if it is true that must be upsetting for those of you he told. In any case a loose cannon could set off more fireworks than whatever the danger he described. People and their issues...the world and some of the people in in appear to be getting stranger and stranger. Whatever you decide to do I hope you and your loved ones remain safe.
@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
3 Jul 07
Thank you perspcct, i have to share with you a few details about what is going on in israel and especially this days. A year ago we had the israeli-Lebanon war, which was very painful. It took us by surprise as a result of a sudden kidnapping of 3 of our soldiers to Lebanon, and one soldier to the Gaza area and then throwing missiles at us. We were not prepared for this, and we had many people killed and hurt. We had more then 1000 missiles thrown at us on the north side of israel, and people that felt very safe woke up to see that all of their life was a big illusion. You see, people here are in higher positions in life, and israel in her 57 years is has progressed very much. That was a reminder that we were living in an illusion and that we can never really be safe living in a country which is surrounded by Arab countries that want her illuminated. From that point most of the people in this country, has began to pay attention to when the next war is going to happen and to get their shelters ready..we all know that it is only a matter of time. Now almost everyone here is in the army in one way or another, there are people that belong to secret units but have to give only 2 month in a year to the army and there are the ones that serve full time in the army. Anyhow, everyone "knows" what is going to happen, they just do not know in what date. Now, this person that shared this information is a serious person, And he said the exact dates that everything is supposed to happen. I do not relay on him, because i know that no one really can know when and what expect a few people in israel. But i still listen and act like what he said is reliable. Last war i spend 2 months in a small shelter, and counted the bombs that were dropping near my house, we did not have enough supplies and the shelter was not really ready for this situation. Now i really hope that it will.
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• Canada
1 Aug 07
I am coming back for two reaons...to thank you for the best response. I also want let you know my thoughts and prayers are with you and your loved one. I cannot fathom living with that level of uncertainly momement by moment, day by day, month by month. You and others within your community amazing examples of everyday heroism. Your willingness to provide additional information to the original post is also appreciated. You posted this a month ago and I cannot help wondering how the two month outworking you mentioned will work out. I do hope you will keep us up-dated by a post...or if you wish an e-mail friend to friend. Hopefully the support of you on-line friends will continue to provide a measure of emotional comfort and security within the troubling circumstances of your outer world. May Creator provide hope, safety, love and light. Warmest repards, Perspectives
@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
22 Jun 07
Hello, liranlgo! People in military, specially in intelligence agencies do it for two reason. 1. They are boasting about their knowledge of top secret information. This is done by either fed up military people who either want to get out of military or have some grievance for which they see it a better way to spill out, or by people who need and yearn for attention. BUT, I must say that this type of behavior and attitude is very rare among this community as they are security cleared people and are under surveillance. For whatever reason they are doing it, they can get court marshaled and hanged for revealing state secrets. even a trivial information that is termed as secret in military, when revealed, is liable to be punished under treachery and disloyalty. 2. They are doing it on purpose. Now it may seems weird to you, but governments do it for mainly two purposes (there are others too, though). one is to get a feeling of public response, whether they are prepared or not in case of an event and what public is thinking about the situation. secondly they do it to let the misinformation out to be used as a scare tactic against enemy, which usually is the purpose in this second case. using it as scare tactic has further two main purposes; one is to really scare the enemy and use these information as deterrence against any enemy adventurism and the other is to get a reaction of enemy country to ascertain how capable they are. Now this too may seem absurd to you as you may think that intelligence agencies has better idea, why would they use public to get a hint. I would say that information that intelligence agencies gather are in bits and pieces and to get a whole picture isn't always easy. by using above tactic, enemy may make some moves to be noted and thus a better appraisal is made of enemy's capabilities. This is specially true in case of Iran as both America and Israel don't have as much intelligence about Iran as they would like to have, and this is because of lack of communication. I don't know if I am understandable or making any sense:-)
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
Thank you for this response kamran, you make alote of sense in everything you said. Yes, it is true. Maybe it is a way of doing a propaganda to scare the enemy, like one of my friends here stated. I do not think that man, needs attention, if he does, the army is in a big problem.
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@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
22 Jun 07
You are welcome! You are right that this person may not be seeking attention as I stated this is very rare and if done then it is not very "healthy" for that individual as military will try to dispel it as misinformation but that person will surely be in another world, lol.
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• Philippines
22 Jun 07
I used to be a part of OIF and worked there in Iraq for 3 years... I've had many encounters with FYI and Top Secret Files myself but I don't think they are as much relevant as they once were considering I am no longer there... However, this "well-respectable man in uniform" should'nt have done what he just did as he should know that the "vital information' he has just told you might encouraged paranoia or anxiety/s to the receiving end, that makes you... Regardless of what his intentions may be, wether he cares for you or the people around you he should be responsible enough not to Spill the Beans to anybody or anyone for that matter... You can not just go and report him to the proper authority as they might take you the other war around and it will be your word against 'him' or them. But whatever top secret he revealed to you could be beneficial for your part and if you really trust this man's identity/ credibility, you should seek his advice... -The King of Reason and The Leader of None-
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
LOrd i value your response very much i could not have said it better and yes we are all seeking his advice.. I respect you and the fact that you worked in iraq, it isn't an easy task doing what you did. Liran
• Philippines
23 Jun 07
Glad to be of Service... Have a Good One... -The King of Reason and The Leader of None-
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• United Arab Emirates
22 Jun 07
Sure he hasn't the right to tell you these secrets. To explain more, he doesn't deserve to be in that position in the army. Only one reason can be with his side, if the army in your country is working in the opposite way to your peace or humanity on commen.
@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
The main target of israel is: peace. That was always are target and that will always be our target. But yes, i agree, he should not be in the army.
• United Arab Emirates
22 Jun 07
okk:)
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@dpk262006 (55919)
• Delhi, India
22 Jun 07
Lira, I think if that fellow revealed the real facts (secrets) than he is not a true armyman or patriot. It is highly objectionable on his part to reveal any of the secrets. If he really revealed what he was not supposed to.....he is blot on armed forces and must be brought to book.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
22 Jun 07
I agree with every word you said here deepak, thank you.
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@dpk262006 (55919)
• Delhi, India
25 Jun 07
Lira, I belong to that field and work for that field (pl. do not ask me the details, I cannot disclose you). So I can understand that repercussions, if secrets are revealed like this (as you have mentioned).
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• Canada
29 Jul 07
Wow, that's some scary stuff you heard!!! I am currently in the USA, with my fiance. I love it down here, but in a way I'd feel much safer in Canada. I feel that the Americans have invaded far too many places. I wonder how long it will be before I overhear somdething as you did.
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@liranlgo (5743)
• Israel
29 Jul 07
Danish i do not think you have somthing to worry about. Even if the u.s. will do somthing i am not sure we will know that it is them doing that, or helping others do what is needed. But for now you really do not have nothing to worry about.