Why the idea of "god" devalues the miracle of life...

Canada
June 22, 2007 12:31pm CST
Don't you think its a greater miracle for life to have started without a creator then with a creator? nobody knows how life truly started, whether it was a chemical reaction, "the need" for other chemicals or what, but its pretty crazy how we are "living" and have consciousness, or so we think. to say that we were created by a creator, in my opinion, devalues the "miracle" of the whole situation. dont get me wrong, its still a miracle, but not a huge one. thats why i think conscious life is more precious than anything, including [the theory of] god himself but what do you think? does life loose its "miracle value" if god existed?
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• United States
24 Jun 07
Fighting, very good questions...I have thought about this too. In fact, one of the evolution vs creation seminars I read about mentioned that exact concept pretty much as you have described it. Personally, I think there was no "beginning" as everything is comprised of energy, and energy is recycled. In fact, "miracles" as we tend to think of them, are nothing more (IMO) than meditating and combining energy on a deep level to achieve a goal, sending it forth and believing the outcome will be as we choose...sort of like positive thinking brings positive, negative breeds negative, the concept of laws of nature which I believe were always present and always will be, and similar to the laying of hands performed by Pentecostal church members being nothing more than wielding energy. How people attribute good things happening - and not quickly explained away, as being a miracle "from god" I will never understand. To me that is a huge leap of assumption and a denial of exploring reality....sort of denying the mind the ability to "think and grow and evolve" further. People have much more power than they give themselves credit for. We are all interconnected with abilities many of us either have not learned enough about or that remain dormant/rejected or misunderstood in many cases. I look forward to the advances of scientific discovery, especially in the area of psychic phenomena as it relates to natural law (encompassing many things we have yet to understand fully) since I think it is all connected on levels we cannot yet fathom. Further, I think that the concept of hanging onto most religion is actually keeping our own evolution from moving past the stages of infancy, while inhibiting exciting progresses, understanding, and advancements.
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• Canada
26 Jun 07
haha no prob, thers no need for a response
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@vijigopi (991)
• United States
23 Jun 07
Ok... take it is a chemical reaction or whatever you want it as. But how did that thing exist in the first place?
• Canada
23 Jun 07
my BELIEF is that things like space, carbon etc have no beginning, so, have no end.
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• India
23 Jun 07
what do u mean by that they have no begining, somebody must have suplied them, and that somebody is God hare krishna
• Canada
23 Jun 07
if god is eternal, why cant space and time be eternal? and carbon as well?
• India
22 Jun 07
If you think that life came from chemicals ... then plaese demostrate by creating it with chemicals .... tell me the names i'll get u the chemicals and u create life
• Canada
22 Jun 07
hmm nobody knows how life started, i was just giving a speculation, i thought u would understand the example was just that.
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• India
23 Jun 07
lol......... hehe ... ok I know how life started and i do not sepeculate because we are imperfect so our are speculations
• Canada
23 Jun 07
lol..oxymoron.. we are imperfect, but I know how life started... ahhahaha
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@urbandekay (18312)
27 Jun 07
No all the best urban
• Canada
27 Jun 07
what?
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@urbandekay (18312)
27 Jun 07
You asked "Don't you think its a greater miracle for life to have started without a creator then with a creator? " I answered, "No." all the best urban
• Canada
27 Jun 07
good answer buddy...
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@stacyv81 (5905)
• United States
23 Jun 07
no way...I believe in God and I look at life as a blessing more than a miracle. However, a lot of things are miraculous that are correlated with God. so, I dont think it loses its value at all to believe in God. On the other hand, saying that, how can chemicals and such make it seem more miraculous than God?
• Canada
23 Jun 07
its alot more miraculous to say something very very improbable happened then to say an omnipotent being made that happen. this is because an omnipotent being can do anything, and thers no surprise as if to it can do whatever, however, to create life out of a spark is a true miracle.
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@stacyv81 (5905)
• United States
23 Jun 07
yes, but life isnt improbable it has been happening for a long time and happens everyday. I mean, it seems the same to me to say well, it happened through God or it happened through chemicals, I mean each is saying there is a reason for it, and it isnt just a miracle that happened out of nowhere, I mean we all know where babies come from.
• Canada
23 Jun 07
no i mean the FIRST thing that sparked life, if there is such a thing, THAT is whats a miracle if there was no god.
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• United States
24 Jun 07
No. With or without G-d life is a huge miracle.If you believe in G-d it is His miracle. But if you don't believe in G-d, the miracle has no creator but it is still a huge miracle.
• Canada
25 Jun 07
my argument is that its a "bigger miracle"
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• United States
27 Jun 07
It is a bigger miracle without G-d? Okay.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
26 Jun 07
Here is the Dahomeyan-Yoruba story for the begining of the world, dating at least from the 16th century, perhaps from milleniums ago. I hope it makes you think a little on why should science go against religion. At the begining there was just a big void, then the Creator appeared and created time and space, then the earth covered by fire and lava, until the Godess of waters appeared and turned the fire off with water, creating the seas. After this, the God of Earth and evolution emerged from the seas, He was the son of the Godess of lava. The Godess of waters was in love with him. In her sein, she created a mysterious life, that then became a conch who talked and said everything (that is why thoose folks use conchs for devination). Then the conch became a fish, then an amphibian that decided to come to earth. And so the evolution goes on thanks to the relationship between this two gods (Earth and Water). This story has different versions, some of them not so accurated. I skiped the names of the gods and that to make it simpler. You have there the Big Bang, the Oparin theory, and Darwin's theory, and also some correct geology information. This beliefs are nowadays in some Benin, Nigerian and Afro-American traditions, specially in Santeria.
• Italy
26 Jun 07
Fundamentally I agree with you, the theory of god devalues the miracle of life but the scientific demonstration of god existence on the starting of life is more complex and less reliable than the chemical one. The concept of god as an onnipotent entity could really make light of the miracle of life but it can also be seen as the result of god influence, so for certain verses the presence of god must be considered necessary...