Not *truly* believing in God

United States
July 5, 2007 8:18pm CST
I was reading a discussion in a forum I am part of and noticed someone say the following: "Here's something to consider... Since choosing to believe in a creator takes as much faith as choosing not to believe in a creator: If you choose to believe in God and you're wrong, there's no consequences. If you choose to believe that there is no God and you're wrong... you spend eternity in hell. Which is the safer bet?" Do you agree with this person? I don't. I feel that you should believe in God because you TRULY believe in God, not because you are afraid of going to hell when you die. To me, that is living a lie! What do you think? Do you believe in god? If so, do you have this mentality?
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32 responses
• United States
6 Jul 07
First of all I have been a bible study student for more than 20 years. I started out believing in the beginning that if you didn't believe in a creator you were damned. Second of all the bible talks about many gods, gee who are we to choose? Most Christian do not take the time to study the scriptures in depth, in the original language in which it was written,so they only know what Pastor told them on sunday. Sorry, poof! you weren't just put here, you were created, it's up to you to find out more. The bible talks of many gods. Cheryl
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• United States
10 Jul 07
Hooray!!! I have been saying this for YEARS. Thank you. Has anyone here read The Earth Chronicles by Zacharia Sitchin? That old man NAILS this translating it all from cuniform! We were created, but not by who we are taught created us.
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
19 Jul 07
I have to agree with you one that one. About the bible talking about the other gods that are out there. I haven't studied the bible in its original language as I don't read that langauge but I have studied the translated verision and my beliefs are from my own research and my own studies of not just the bible and christianity but many other religions. I have been saying that even the bible talks about other gods, so their must be more than one. Though people like my father, think I am nuts. I am always like have you Read the bible. Even the ten commandments talks about the other gods.
@disvachic (10121)
• United States
6 Jul 07
Hey wooitsmolly,I truly believe in God as well.He is my heavenly Father and i believe in him with all my heart.He gave his only begotten son to die for us on the cross.For our sins.I dont just believe so i wont go to Hell and plus he knows if you truly believe or not regardless so it really wouldn't make any sense.He knows every little thing.Take care have a good one. disvachic
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• United States
6 Jul 07
Thank you for the response, disvachic. I think you're right. He would know every little thing, including whether you truly believe or not. I think it's important to follow what you believe, not believe because of fear.
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@disvachic (10121)
• United States
6 Jul 07
exactly:)
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@dalip32 (100)
• United States
6 Jul 07
The first problem I have with that statement is choosing to believe in God. The Bible says, "No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." We don't even choose to have faith, faith is put into us. When you believe in God, you receive all the blessings that come with it - including avoiding hell. To look at it as "I have nothing to lose by believing in God so I'll give it a try" is not real belief, but some need the fear of hell as a kick in the rear to get them to realize the trouble they are in.
• United States
6 Jul 07
dalip, this is not something I had heard before. Thanks for the comment. You are right about the "kick in the rear" part :)
@marciascott (25554)
• United States
6 Jul 07
Yes I believe in God, something happen to me today, My right leg have been giving me problems I have been praying about it, for God to take the pain away I got the whole church to pray and all my friends were praying for me. I went to the doctor today, and fell on this bad knee I think that it was god's plan, because, I think I had fluid in that knee, and from the fall the fliud from my knee disappeared, it doesn't hurt anymore, so I think God had something to do with this! yes, I truly believe in god! Thank you Lord!!! Have a bless week!
• United States
6 Jul 07
Marcia, I am very happy to hear that your knee doesn't hurt anymore. I hope you are feeling better every day =]
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• United States
9 Jul 07
I do believe in GOD! He is da man! But i believe in him and he definately helps, i know its kinda hard to believe at times due to it being spiritual and most people are material. I think people who dont believe in god, well i wish them the best of luck. Sometimes i think that he loves us ALL unconditionally and probably might forgive us just cuz he is a awesome god, but also i know he is a jealous god as well! I hope he forgives and if not and those that do not believe well if they go to hell than to bad sooo sad for them! :( I wonder why people who dont believe in god, how come they believe in hell?
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• United States
9 Jul 07
Thanks for the response, Ejobsuccess. I will just say that I do not believe in God, but I also do not believe in hell. I don't believe in any afterlife, so I'm not worried! Why do you say he is a jealous god?
• United States
9 Jul 07
Humm So you dont believe in either, that is the first i heard. I wont say your wrong, but curious on what do you do for strenght when things are in the muck? I say he is a jealous god becaue he is the father. Any man hahaha would be jealous if you went to another source for help as well as worship another instead of only him! Also you can look at it in a parenting way, if your child went to someone else for advice or even help, wouldnt you be a bit upset? Anyhooo still curious on your views of life? please be mindfull , that in any way would i try to talk you into believeing. i am no religious finatic. I go to him for strenght and guidence. Since people can not be mature or set the example, its kinda nice to see that there is a guide and what it says does make sense!
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• United States
9 Jul 07
When thing are hard I have family and friends to go to for advice and guidance. I can see why people choose to believe in god and have faith, but I just am not one of them. I cannot see any logic in the existance of a god, honestly, and that goes for more than just a Christian or Catholic god, it is any and all. I am not a religious person, I never have been, and was not raised that way, that is one large reason I believe I think the way I do. I've never heard anyone say they think god is jealous before.. isn't that a deadly sin or something? lol I dunno. Interesting to think about. I have a happy fulfilling life without religion and I don't really see any room in my life for it, I guess is one way I can put it. I just try to be a happy, healthy, positive person and help others when I can and show respect for everyone regardless of their beliefs. I believe that is the way I will lead a happy life.
• India
12 Jul 07
Ya I do believe in the Creator of heaven an earth. I do believe in God. Not because I am afraid of going to hell but because I somehow like what ever is taught in the Bible by Lord Jesus Christ. I love to follow what he said. Not completely, but as much as I can. I also a weak human now, ain't I. There are many stupid people who don't know the meaning of religion. Religions are not made to take people to heave or hell. they are made to bring people closer and make them love each other so that they can make this earth a heaven. Many a times people misunderstand their religion and get mislead by their spiritual leader and other such personalities and begin mocking each other in the name of religion communities and cast. They beging discrimnating on the basis of cree, binding each other by stupid religious laws, doing so they end up making this place they live, worse then hell!! Why don't people understand that humanity is the biggest religion and humantity is the only reason that I follow Jesus's words, even if its as little as it can be. Religion is not to go to heaven or hell, but its what leads you t make your place heaven or hell. Please don't choose to make it a hell. Take Care MaY GOD Bless YOU
• United States
12 Jul 07
That's a very nice way to put it, "Why don't people understand that humanity is the biggest religion" Thank you for your comment.
• India
10 Jul 07
Hi this is really a good discussion it is about God but atleast people are not calling names and putting down eachother's religion! LOL thats what happens most times to any discussion that starts with God or religion. I agree with a mylotter here who said fear is a great motivator so once you fear something you are being a coward and being a coward is not a good triat whether you beleive in God or not. I wont say i KNOW God i met Him though i can feel the presence of a higher power. obviously he is not an old man with huge flowing beard and draped in lovely garments supervising the world to see who is wrong or who is right! thats so childish. God is something thats within you and outside you at the same time. So you just beleive in that power or you dont. And as for Hell nobody has returned from hell or for even that matter heaven to tell us how it feels. As long as we can love, respect and try and make a wee bit of difference to this world in a positive manner i think it will suffice. we dont have to worry about hell, heaven. Forget hell heaven and look what we are doing to our beloved earth we have one planet to live this life and we are trashing her!
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• United States
10 Jul 07
I'm glad people aren't putting each other down in this thread, too. You're right, it's important for us to take care of the earth now! Thanks for the response.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
9 Jul 07
I beleive in God. But I do not share my fellow believers conception that to not believe is a ticket to damnation. If I did, I couldn't love my God the way I do. I DO believe that all good people go to heaven. Whether they believe or don't believe, if they are doing good works, they are doing God's will. Most don't agree with me. Many have a different god. That god is the Judeo-Christian Bible. If God had not wanted us to have a brain, he wouldn't have given us one. I beleive because I believe. It's something I feel. If I'm wrong, I'm no better off. People who don't believe don't believe because it's something they feel. If they are wrong they will not be punished, despite what the book says. My opinion.
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• United States
10 Jul 07
I agree with you, cyntrow. Thank you for the response :)
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
8 Jul 07
Meh, I don't really believe in God - I haven't for a while. This person, and all those who consider this phrase, apparently forget there are multiple Gods and Goddesses that could exist. A fourth option is left out of this phrase: "If you choose to believe in God, and God does not exist, however, another God does - you lose." So really it's not a matter of being safe and believing in God. It's a matter of chance. Besides, who would ever want to worship a God who would condemn a good person to eternal agony simply because the person didn't believe in him? If that's the true God, then I'd rather remain a non-believer and burn in hell then worship such a low-life.
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• United States
8 Jul 07
I believe the same way. I don't feel that God (if he exists) would condemn good people because they did not believe in him. I feel that most people who do not believe in him have logical reasons and are not just trying to go against religion. That is just how they believe, they can't help that. Thank you for the comment.
@smacksman (6074)
8 Jul 07
Yes, fear is a great motivater. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the unseen. Indeed, fear of the future knowing the past. Religion is a great comfort and should be encouraged for those who need it. Religion is a formula for a way of life that should make us all live together in peace.
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• United States
8 Jul 07
I agree that for some people religion is a great comfort and makes their life fulfilling and that is great. Yes, in theory, "religion is a formula for a way of life that should make us all live together in peace." Unfortunately, many people use religion to create war, not peace, which is a shame. Thanks for the comment.
@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
7 Jul 07
That is Pascal's wager, and it makes about as much sense as the whole god and miracles thing. Or in other words, not at all. I don't believe in any god, simply because after thousands of years, there is not one little bit of proof there ever was a god. Nobody has ever seen one. Sure, people have SAID they've seen god, or talked to him, but they have no proof of their encounter.
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• United States
7 Jul 07
judy, I agree with you just about completely. There is always a part of me that says, "you never know." I know there are people out there who believe in God/gods because it is a true belief.. they can't help it. I respect them completely. I am not one of those people. I truly believe God does not exist. To me, logically, it is not something I can wrap my brain around and just doesn't make any sense. Thank you for the comment and have a great day!
• United States
6 Jul 07
If you and I are in fear of someone who is suppose to love us doesn't that contaradict? Cheryl
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• United States
6 Jul 07
I see what you're saying.. I agree. I guess when it comes to someone like God it would be contradicting. I think many believe in God and fear him at the same time, and that is where I see a flaw in their belief.
@cynddvs (2950)
• United States
6 Jul 07
Interesting discussion. While I do agree this person raises a good point, I agree with you. I think that if someone chooses to believe in God just because they are afraid of going to hell if they don't then I don't think they truly have faith in what they belive in. I think the most important thing is to have faith in whatever or whoever you believe in.
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• United States
6 Jul 07
I agree with you completely. I do not believe the person who said that believed in God out of fear, I just think he was trying to convince those around him who did not believe that they should. It is not the "job" of those who are religious to convert others, in my opinion, unless they want to be converted. Trying to scare them into believing doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for the response :)
• United States
6 Jul 07
I almost forgot, that if god is suppose full of Love, then why do we need to fear. Love conquers all fear. Fear is a contradiction to God's nature. This is a ploy to scare you. But it makes no sense. We should talk. Cheryl
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• United States
6 Jul 07
I have added you as a friend. I am not sure why you say fear is a contradiction of love?
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
6 Jul 07
My dad uses that arguement to try to convert me from my goddesses. But I feel that it is living a lie. I tell him that and he says well "I'm safe if there isn't. I think that is wrong. To have faith in something bigger than yourself, is good when you have no doubt, and not just believing just in case. My morals and beliefs are alot like other people's beliefs. But I just don't believe in the Christian verison of "God". I am not a evil person because I believe in another verison of the all powerful universe. I believe in being kind, taking care and helping others who can't not help themselves. Giving back to other's who don't have things that they need, like food, clothing, and such. People who say stuff like :"Here's something to consider... Since choosing to believe in a creator takes as much faith as choosing not to believe in a creator:If you choose to believe in God and you're wrong, there's no consequences. If you choose to believe that there is no God and you're wrong... you spend eternity in hell. Which is the safer bet?" Are living a lie to themselves and their faith. I have read the bible more than once and I recall something about believers that don't truely believe will not enter the kindom of heaven. I know that it isn't word for word what it said. But still you get the point. Blessed Be!!!
• United States
6 Jul 07
Thank you for the response. I agree with you, especially about helping others and being kind. That is what is most important to me. I know that I am a kind, good person and I have respect and compassion for others. I am not worried about going to hell because I do not believe in God. It is so much more rewarding to know that you truly and totally believe something, rather than forcing yourself to believe for the sake of others (such as your father in this case). Take care =]
@majkel (37)
• Poland
6 Jul 07
The guy is not very original - it's not his invention. The man who first stated thing like this was a French philosopher Blaise Pascal in XVII century, it went sth. like that: If you believe in God and He exist - you win. If you believe in God and He doesn't exist - you lose nothing. If you don't believe and He exist - you lose. So, it's better to believe. And your belief is always the same - you do or you don't. Pascal just made another reason to believe.
• United States
6 Jul 07
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that.
@lucy02 (5017)
• United States
12 Jul 07
I agree with you. If you truly believe in God you have a personal relationship with Him and know He exists. This seems to be agnostic thinking of someone not sure about God's existence, not someone who really believes.
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@JoeDeath (142)
• Philippines
12 Jul 07
I think we should believe in God because his there and not because we just want to be good cuz of hell. Hell lets us think otherwise that if we do somthing bad and die then thats were your gonna be.
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@whywiki (6070)
• Canada
12 Jul 07
I don't believe in god. I am an atheist and have no fear of hell as I know it doesn't exist.
• India
11 Jul 07
I believe that there is some power which we name as GOd.. but, i dont exactly believe all the tales that are been told around about that.. & the forms which are been potrayed..
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