Benedict who?

United States
July 10, 2007 5:03pm CST
Is the pope guilty of a couple of the seven deadly sins? He stated that the only real church is the Catholic church, and that others are defective. That sounds like pride and envy speaking.
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@urbandekay (18312)
11 Jul 07
Not only that but it is factually incorrect. The Roman Catholic Church dates from the 11th Century when in a fit of hubris the then Bishop of Rome declared himself Pope. Before then he had been a nominal head only, joint authority residing in all the head Bishops. Having become Pope, he declared the former doctrine a heresy. So, he formerly followed a heresy. Furthermore, Pope means father, and this is specifically forbidden in scripture, Jesus taught; But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. Matthew 23:8-11 Clearly the Church of Christ is intended to be a Church of equals not the hierarchical institution we have. Catholics pray to Mary, asking her to pray for them, this again is scripturally forbidden. The Catholic Church claims to be the one authentic voice yet has continually innovated and introduced things not advocated by Jesus or specifically forbidden by him all the best urban
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@sneese (95)
• United States
27 Jul 07
Actually you are mistaken on a few points. The Catholic Church as a Faith dates from the Last Supper- When you eat this body and drink this blood. It may not have been called the Roman Catholic Church, but all believers were one. The Church became institutionalized to keep the faith secure, united, and unwavering. The Tthen Bishop of Rome, with his curia formed the Catholic Church as it is today for uniformity. Otherwise it would be as it is in Protestant denominations: This Christian Church believes and teaches this, this one that, and still another something totally differnent. As for calling no man Father, Jesus was referring to a heavenly father, not an earthly father. Otherwise He would have been negating the father/son family. And the Bishops are equal- the pope is simply one among equals. But since he holds the episcopy of Rome, the foundation of the Church, he is the one that leads the church. And as for Mary- Is it wrong to ask others for prayer? Doesn't evry Christian Church ask it's members to pray for so and so who is sick or has a need. It's no different. But people make a big deal out of Catholics asking for the Saints to interceed. If asking the Saints for prayers is wrong, then every Christian Church should stop asking others to pray for them.
@urbandekay (18312)
27 Jul 07
Thank you for your response, whilst it is true that originally all Churches were united and called Catholic, the Roman Catholic Church broke away from this Church in the 11th century. So although it retains the name Catholic, it is the Orthodox Church, confusingly, that is the remains of that Church that was originally called Catholic. No, Jesus clearly states call no man father. Read the scripture and it is quite undeniable that he is issuing a direct instruction that we should not call any man Rabbi or Father. Again, re Mary you have missed the point, it is not the asking of others to pray for you but the Praying to anyone other than God, which is strictly forbidden. Yet in order to ask Mary to pray for them Catholics pray to Mary. all the best urban
• United States
7 Aug 07
Originally all Christians were united by a single set of doctrine, maintained first by the authority of the Apostles, then by their successors, and bound by the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. It is still maintained in the Catholic Church, by the successors of the Apostles, and bound by the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. The Orthodox Church in separating from the rock upon which Jesus built His Church, also separated from the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. The context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus is instructing the crowds and his disciples not to take the glory and honor for themselves, as the hypocrites do, but to be humble servants who put God first. Any other meaning and the Word of God contradicts the words of Jesus...well,God. Can God contradict Himself? In 1 Corinthians 4:14ff, St. Paul writes to his "beloved sons". He tells them that he has become their father in Christ Jesus through preaching the gospel. In Phil2:22, St. Paul describes his relationship to Timothy as a father/son relationship. We know from Acts 16:1-3 that Paul is not Timothy's biological father. The use of the word "father" is used many times in the Gospels to define genealogy, so it seems Matthew 23 wouldn't refer to biological fathers either. To pray means to request earnestly. Catholics request intercessory prayers from Mary and the Saints. Mary and the Saints are members of the Body of Christ. Where does Scripture forbid us to make earnest requests for prayers from members of the Body of Christ?
@sneese (95)
• United States
27 Jul 07
Actually no he isn't. The Church's teaching has always been that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. This has been it's stand from the beginning. But during Vatican II, the Church decided that they would no longer emphasize this so as to bring the non catholic christians to the table to begin ecuminical discussion.
@urbandekay (18312)
27 Jul 07
That may be the Church's teaching but where is the scriptural authority for that claim? all the best urban
• United States
7 Aug 07
We are saved by Jesus(Acts 4:12). Jesus tells us that we must be born again of water and Spirit in order to see the kingdom of God (John 3:3-5). Jesus builds a Church(matthew 16:18). Jesus instructs His Church to go forth, make disciples, and baptize(Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15-16). The prison keeper asks Paul and Silas (leaders of the Church) how to be saved. They respond by telling him to believe in Jesus, and upon hearing the word of the Lord spoken to them by the leaders of the Church, they are baptized by the leaders of the Church (Acts 16:30-33). John calls people outside the Church antichrist(1John 2:18-19). He goes further to say that these antichrists are not saved, but those remaining in the Church(holding to what they were taught from the beginning) will be(1John 2:22-25). Paul emphasizes unity in the Church (1Cor 1:10-11, 1Tim 1:3-7). Peter warns about false teachers(2Peter 2). Clearly, the Apostles believed that there was one Church, that they were the leaders of, through which believers receive salvation. The Apostles, in making disciples and choosing their successors, maintained the unity of the Church. The only churches who can trace back to the Apostles through valid ordination are the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church separated itself from the keys to the kingdom of Heaven(they no longer have a successor to Peter), leaving only the Catholic Church.
• United States
7 Aug 07
Well if the Pope is guilty then so are the Apostles. Jesus sent the Apostles to teach, baptise and make disciples of all nations. Were they teaching different things? Of course not, they preached the one faith that Jesus taught them, with the authority of the one Church that Jesus built. Anything else would be "defective". St. Paul calls the church the pillar and foundation of truth in 1 Tim 3:15. The church is united by doctrine, held in place by the authority of the Apostles. Romans 16:17-18 speaks of people who cause divisions in the doctrine taught by the Church. St. Paul says to avoid them. 1Corinthians 1:10 also tells of divisions. St. Paul tells the Corinthians to avoid division, and speak the same thing because they are perfectly joined by spirit and judgement. A house divided cannot stand. Pope Benedict XVI re-iterated the belief held by the Church from the very beginning, that there is only one true Church that Jesus established. The entirety of Christ's teaching is in the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church has Apostolic succession and maintains much, but not all, of the doctrine of the Church of Christ. It separated itself from the rock upon which the Church is built, so remains schismatic. The Orthodox and at least some Lutherans also claim to be the one true church.
@urbandekay (18312)
10 Nov 07
Actually, the Orthodox have a better claim to originality than the Roman Church, who have added many innovations to faith. Paul may warn of those that cause division but Jesus warns of those that corrupt faith. all the best urban
@flowerchilde (12520)
• United States
12 Mar 08
...they always believe that.. I don't let it bother me.. - I think they believe the other churches are wayward children and will return.. There's so much untruth in what I guess we could call the human realm, that I ceased long ago to be surprised by division and differing views or even things in error..
• United States
12 Aug 07
I agree with you. I know we get paid more for writing more but I don't think that needs further added to it.
@tombiz (2039)
• Philippines
12 Jul 07
I never believe in the universal authority of the Pope. I never in the authenticity of the Catholic Church. The history of this church is full of bloodshed and injustice. And they are never following the doctrines as taught by Jesus Christ. Since time immemorial, they had been introducing doctrines upon doctrines which are all in contradictions to what are in the Bible. This is actually the biggest counterfeit church. Of course, if you are a loyal Catholic faithful, you won't know that because if you do, you will get out of this deceived church as fast as you can. I am sorry if I hurt some Catholics out there but as for me, this is the truth. And you can easily research the history and doctrines of this church yourself. Informations are now readily available about the true color of the Catholic Church.