Order of the Phoenix proves disappointing,

@mkirby624 (1599)
United States
July 11, 2007 11:31am CST
If you haven't seen the movie and also haven't read the book to know the story line, don't read this, it will be a spoiler for you. However, I suggest you actually read the series, as watching the movies is a dismal way to experience this series of novels. I watched the midnight showing of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix this morning. I was very disappointed. The movie was more like a 2 hour trailer of the book. Scenes came and went so quickly that it was hard to even keep up with what was going on...and I've read the book 3 times. It was entirely too short. If you've never actually read the book (as I suspected many of the self proclaimed "fanatics" in that theater had not), then it was a good movie. Unfortunately, the movie left out the scenes that I felt "made" the book. The drastically changed and shortened Fred and George's departure from Hogwarts, and didn't do it justice at all. There was no mention of Quidditch, nor was there mention of the fact that Hermione and Ron were prefects. I think what irritated me the worst is that the prophecy, in the book, could only be heard when it was broken, therefore no one heard it and Dumbledore had to tell Harry what the prophecy was...then in Book 6, Harry tells Hermione and Ron, but Dumbledore advises him to keep it from everyone else. In the movie however, everyone is standing around him when he picks the orb up, and they all hear the prophecy. However, they leave out the part of the prophecy that mentions the one with the power to overtake the Dark Lord will be born as the 7th month dies...which is what ties Neville into the prophecy. They left that out. And EVERYONE heard the prophecy. Harry, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Neville, and Ginny. It wasn't supposed to be that way. They drastically shortened the fight at the end, and made the characters look like they couldn't defend themselves, when in the book, they defended themselves for quite some time before the Order arrived. Also, in the movie, Harry gives Lucius the prophecy! Which doesn't happen in the book. Lucius drops it (and the prophecy didn't reveal itself when it was broken like in the book), and that's how Voldemort doesn't hear it. Again, quite disappointing.
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@kabukii (88)
• Brazil
12 Jul 07
Hello mkirby624! I watched the movie too and as everybody kept saying it would be amazing and stuff, I think I got really disappointed. All the parts of the book, and I really mean all, that I really liked was not on the movie. They just neglected the marauders and I think they have a great mean in the history. Some stuff was fine but the changed so many things that I thought I just read another history. Really sad.
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@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
12 Jul 07
Yes, my favorite scene in the book was Fred and George's departure from Hogwarts. While they included it, they ruined it a bit. It was much more dramatic than that, in my opinion. And I wanted to see the swamp pit and the brooms busting through Umbridge's door. But since Quidditch wasn't including, there was no reason for their brooms to be in her office in the first place.
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@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
14 Jul 07
THANK YOU. I was beginning to think that everyone on earth thought this was the greatest movie in the world. All of these people who say they've read the book and loved the movie must have just read the book for the sake of reading it. I've read the series 3 times to date, and will probably read it many more times in my life. These are amazing books, and while I know FULLY WELL (as all of these posters have told me as if I don't understand it or something) that EVERYTHING can't be added in a movie. But when you've got a 4 hour window and you turn an 870 page book into a 2 hour movie, you haven't done it justice. You had another two hours in there. I'm not saying add in all the stuff you left out, but at least elaborate on what you DID put in the movie. It was like little teasers of every scene.
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@k1tten (2321)
• United States
13 Jul 07
What many people don't know is when creating a movie from a book you can only use so much of the book. Only about a hundred pages of a book actually go into the movie along with scenes the producers and what not think are important. Now, with quidditch in the movie and in the book. There may be no word of quidditch in the last book at all. You may love quidditch but it really doesn't have a place in the later books. Now, J.K. herself as said there really isn't a real connection between the prophecy and Neville. Read it on her site if you don't believe me. Now, I thought the movie was pretty good. Yes, they left things out, they always do, but it was much better than 3. I thought the whole movie was put together wonderfully. The special effects were great and the acting was amazing as ever.
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@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
13 Jul 07
No, I do know that when creating a movie you can't include everything. To me, Quidditch helped play into Fred and George's hatred for Umbridge. Yes, everyone hates her just because she was a nut and a b*tch, but no one had a personal reason to hate her except for Harry. Then when she banned them for life from Quidditch, Fred and George truly started their mayhem. No Quidditch wasn't the most important thing, but it did play a part in scenes that they included. As far as Neville goes, no, he may not have anything to do with the prophecy anymore, but Dumbledore told Harry not to tell anyone what the prophecy said, except for Hermione and Ron. That may not be that significant, but it makes a difference in the way the others perceive Harry. Simply put, they COULD have added plenty of other things, considering they had another hour and 40 minutes that they could have added in. The movie could have been up to 4 hours. They should have utilized more of their time. It felt like a trailer for the book rather than the movie. The scenes were so quick and it was just flashes from one thing to another. I didn't enjoy it. They changed a lot of things for, what seemed like, change's sake. There was no real reason to change it. If they changed it to save time, they definitely succeeded in doing that. I don't understand why so many people don't like Azkaban, I enjoyed that movie. Yes, they left some things out, but not nearly as much as in Phoenix (even though Phoenix was longer and more had to be left out). The things they left out weren't that big of a deal. Azkaban is actually one of my favorites, besides Sorcerer's Stone.
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@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
13 Jul 07
Also, they left out Firenze coming to the castle to replace Professor Trelawny. How are they going to retrack and explain that that is why the centaurs were angry in the forest and that is why Firenze is teaching Divination in conjuction with Trelawney? I'm assuming they'll leave that out of Half Blood Prince just as they left the rift between Percy and his family out of Phoenix. Unfortunately, if anyone remembered Percy from the earlier movies, they definitely wondered why he was suddenly shoving Harry and his brother around trying to get them expelled in the scene in Dumbledore's office. Percy was always a goody goody, but in the earlier movies, he wasn't bad enough to betray his own family.
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• United States
13 Jul 07
The rift between Percy and his family is implied. I don't think it can be any clearer than it already is. I mean, you see Percy holding Harry and his friends in Umbridge's office whenever she finds out about the DA. If Percy wasn't against Harry, Dumbledore and his family, don't you think he'd either not be there or he'd be lobbying for Harry and Dumbledore? You need to stop judging the movie based entirely on how the book goes. You have to start watching and actually analyze how things are done within the movie. Everything you need to know is right in front of you. Secondly, PoA. It was an alright movie. Better than the 1st movie at least. However, Alfonso came in and tried to make the movie entirely darker than it should have been. It was all angsty and what not when that's not even apparent until the 5th movie really. Granted, the movie is a bit darker than the first two, it shouldn't have been portrayed in a light such as that. It was alright, it had some great moments, but really, it could have been done differently to make it better than it was.
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• United States
13 Jul 07
I happened to think OoTP, compared to all the other movies, was wonderful. I was not nearly as disappointed with this movie as I have been with mostly all the others. Of course things are left out, you can't cram 900 pages of stuff into a 2 hour movie. The movie can't follow the book entirely. It just cannot. You'd be mad to think that it was possible. Secondly, I think it's important to keep in mind, the script passes through JKR's hands first, and she approves it before it even goes any further. If she felt that certain items were rather important, she would have mentioned this, and it would have been put into the script as best as possible, even if it was just as a passing glance. Quidditch, for instance, definitely isn't THAT meaningful. So what, everyone hates Umbridge. That's all you need to know. You see how much of an evil woman she is. You see that all student organizations are suspended, you don't see quidditch..so what. No biggie. It's just a sport that's pretty much a filler. You can tell Fred and George are thinking about skiving out of school anyway, and they tell you point blank really that they've had enough, and that scene, although short, got the point across. Fred and George are off to bigger and better things. You don't need quidditch, or a horribly long drawn out scene to see this. Lastly, the prophecy thing. The prophecy breaks, which is ultimately the entire point of the fight at ministry. Harry is after something he's not sure about, and when it's found out it's about him, he takes it. And, in the end, Voldemort does not get it. It breaks just the same. What is the point of having the DA fight and fight and seeing Ron loopy from the brains and everything? What is the point of seeing everyone terribly injured? There isn't one. The book scene seems longer because you have to read through all the descriptions, and small filler pieces are thrown in to make the scene look better in your head. The point is, the DA went, Harry got the prophecy, it broke, the Order showed up, helped save them, Voldemort got away. All the IMPORTANT stuff was covered. You don't need filler stuff, nor do you need to make things go entirely like the book to get the point across. That's just rubbish.
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• India
13 Jul 07
the point u made is quite clear.. they cant include each n every point in the movie which is there in the book... i was also dissappointed for such cut short film.. but my frnd who had not read the book was happy wid the film though it left many questions unanswered... climax was not very impressin.. but all in all OK movie..
@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
13 Jul 07
The point of having the DA fight and fight and see people injured is because is climactic. The end was so anti-climatic, I yawned. They yelled stupefy, they ran, and they got caught. The end!! Boring. The end of that book was so exciting. Reading it made my heart nearly pound out of my chest. I hoped that the movie would give me the same feeling, but it did not. I was BORED by the ending. YEAH, it got the point across that they went, they fought, the prophecy was smashed, they were saved. But how is that entertaining?? It is the details that make it entertaining. I'm a teacher and when I teach my kids to write a story, I teach them to add entertaining details. If they are going to write a story about going to the beach, they are not going to get an "A" for saying "We got up, we drove, we slept in the hotel, we played on the beach, we came home" One would like to hear about the details that will entertain the reader. In the movie's case, one might want to see details that entertain the reader. The whole movie was cut to the chase which completely ruined the magic that is Harry Potter. End of story.
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@shyviolet (126)
• United States
12 Jul 07
i agree with all of this...all stuff my husband and I discussed after seeing it...I still thoroughly enjoyed it..however it was SO short and so much stuff got changed..
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@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
12 Jul 07
Yeah. Movie-wise, it was a good movie. But if you compare it to the book, which I have a hard time not doing, then it was entirely too short. I was willing and ready to sit in that theater until 4am. I was sad that I didn't get to.
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@kimthedane (1000)
• Denmark
12 Jul 07
Okay i wont read it then. I have plans goin to see it with my daughter hven it is shown in denmark, but it wont be here before friday. Cant bloody wait
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• Philippines
17 Jul 07
Another reason for me not to spend my hard earned money to spend sleeping inside a dark movie theater. I never liked any of the book and no matter how the actors in it are, the movie did not do justice to the book. And Is till can't forgive what Warner Brothers did to Ron's character.
@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
17 Jul 07
What did they do to Ron's character? I like Rupert.
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@moudas (259)
• India
15 Jul 07
At the very end of "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," Emma Watson says, "Everything's going to change now, isn't it?" I remembered that quote going into "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," the fifth installment of the series; the films have greatly changed, especially in terms of heavy-handed subject matter. Not only is this film even darker than the last, it's also more mature. This is somewhat disappointing, but it is to be expected; the main characters, after all, are now fifteen years old. I have to admit that I was ready to give this film a lower ranking, simply because it lacks the bright, whimsical charm of Chris Columbus' brilliant "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." But then I realized that I was unfairly trying to compare two very different films. On its own, "Order of the Phoenix" is an incredibly well made fantasy film--well written, well acted, and great to look at, all while retaining the essence of J.K. Rowling's novel. The plot, while a bit complicated, is quite engrossing. In his fifth year at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Harry Potter (Daniel Radcliffe) will find that the odds against him are increasing. It begins when he's put on trail for breaking the rules and using magic outside of school (he had to save his cousin from a Dementor). Cornelius Fudge, the Head of the Ministry of Magic (Robert Hardy), is convinced that Harry never witnessed Lord Voldemort's resurrection. He also believes that he and Headmaster Albus Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) are conspiring to take control of the Ministry. In response to this, Fudge gives the Ministry the power to enforce new rules at Hogwarts, rules so strict and unreasonable that they practically become dictatorial.
@mkirby624 (1599)
• United States
15 Jul 07
I agree with your first paragraph, but I am confused as to why you gave a synopsis of the book when I'm clearly aquainted with it, as are those who replied to this discussion.
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@Shaun72 (15968)
• Palatka, Florida
15 Jul 07
I think i will wait untill it comes out on dvd. It sounds really disappointing. I thought it was great the part with Fred and george left Hogworts and the Ron and hermione are perfects. It sounds like the movie is dissappointing like the 4th movie sort of was to me at least. I want to see it but I'm in no big hurry.