Referring to someone as "retarded" or "blind"

July 19, 2007 7:18pm CST
I was reading a blog yesterday, a member of a forum package (a developer) referred to people who illegally removed the copyright tags as "retarded" or "blind". http://dennistt.net/2007/03/17/removing-the-mybb-copyright-is-a-bad-idea/#comments ^ Found here... Is this type of comments acceptable? I've always been brought up to respect people and I try so hard to do so but one thing I can't do accept people who are rude or unthoughtful. So I did the me thing, stand up for what I believe in and that's not to pick at a minority which wouldn't do such a thing. (possibly couldn't) Am I out of line with my comments, my nick names kerrang! there. I honestly don't care if I was harsh, because those comments are worse in my opinion. Maybe it's me... ~Joey P.s Normally ticking someone so powerful off normally ends up digging your own grave. (they can ban me) I don't mind mind if they do that because I'll move away from it. =)
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15 responses
• Singapore
20 Jul 07
First and foremost, they can ban you? That would seem downright childish to ban you over speaking your mind. You are not even flouting any rules. Anyway, I have read the blog. I do agree that using "retarded" and "blind" is a little too harsh. But I can understand his point of view. After all, they have worked hard to put together such an impressive package. If someone is undermining their effort, they will naturally feel upset in a self-righteous manner. If Dennis' comment was made on the official MyBB website, then I would say this company is unprofessional. But this wasn't the case - he placed his own comments on his own personal blog/site so it is arguably acceptable. That said, I do feel that since those following their activities would know he is part of the team, his personal site will then not really be 100% personal - so using such strong words may be still a bit unbecoming. Yet all in all, I would say he has the right of it - in a way. He helped develop the package and those people removing those lines are indeed flouting the rules. It's like they started first, and he is just "responding". In a way though, I do concur with you that name calling is childish - and so is this "responding" just mentioned. If he wants to, he should just go ahead and ask his company to take legal actions against those offenders. There is no need to stoop to name calling which he has done. I suspect that their internal decision might have been to close one eye to this flouting and he is feeling upset and so just need to voice it out. I really don't know and fear that I am already stepping out of line by voicing my uninformed guesses. Whichever Joey, I think you should just let it go. There is no point fighting him on his home turf, so to speak. This is a vicious cycle - you may comment that he is wrong to shout names, and he can also turn around and say that you are wrong to deprive him of the freedom of speech. The list can go on and this non-productive argument can drag indefinitely. Learning to let go graciously is a mark of maturity. I think your time would be better spent with Kate and Jake. Peace.
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20 Jul 07
Well yes, I doubt now I'll gain support from the team members because they all seem to "regard" him as someone who's smart. If they ban me or not it's a different question, although they could seen as he thinks I'm trying to cause trouble for the project. Indeed Lordy, The wasn't a second I didn't see it from his said and I can understand his reasons for saying it. Yet, he clearly thinks he can get away with it. The reason I pointed it out was to say some wouldn't be happy and personally I wasn't. Well many users visit his blog, as they post important "planned" additions inside them to boost there sites. I don't think it's acceptable where ever, as it's very unprofessional for someone within powers to come out and say something silly and childish and in any case he could of worded it better. Oh I'm sure he's upset, although when I am I don't make comments like that. I know people act differently although insisting that those people are what he said is nothing more than ignorance and a large ego. I have let it go, I've learnt more about him and the package from responding and personally I see that he won't consider anything other than himself, so he should expect that others will only consider themselves and remove those lines. (regardless of if it's right or not) which I have said I don't agree with.. Hehe, Freedom of speech compared to him isn't that out of line. I don't have a ego, so I'll happily stick to what I said and leave it alone. Yet I think I've shown I'm more mature then him =) Personally he'd put me off using the package if I wasn't already using it. ~Joey
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• Singapore
20 Jul 07
I think he's just a smart alex who struts around thinking he is the next Larry Page or Sergey Brin. :P
@whyaskq (7532)
• Singapore
20 Jul 07
Personally, I do not encourage the use of these words, idiotic included on man-man communication. However, being in the same industry, there is one thing I have observed. These people though high performers tend to be a bit high on ego. They are simply too engrossed in their own world to be sensitive to others. Perhaps it is because they talk to machines more than humans such that they forgot what is feeling. IT people are not good at PR.
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20 Jul 07
Well I've said words like idiotic but I've never referred to anyone. Actually most times it's either about myself or my wife family and I wouldn't just come and say it for no reason. (or hardly none) I agree... Although I know plenty of people who are into what he is and 100% more professional and they'd never say that. I guess the ego thing is right, because those are down to earth and do more than just respond like a robot or try to point out childish things such as what he said to my replies. Kudos whyaskq =) ~Joey
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@whyaskq (7532)
• Singapore
20 Jul 07
Oh, my family agree we should tell the kids at home never to scold anyone idiots. It is a banned word. lol.
@wolfie34 (26793)
• United Kingdom
20 Jul 07
Even tho I'm not retarded or blind myself I would take great offense to that comment, it is neither wanted or acceptable and the person should be dealt with and the comment deleted immediately, it is likely to cause offense and is totally unwarranted. Even in jest these sorts of comments can cause repurcussions.
20 Jul 07
Exactly my views Brian, he should remove them. I've seen quite a few "people" with powers come out with such things and this is the first who hasn't said sorry nor removed them. ^ Which stands to what I said when I approached it. I mean, he's not so powerful that I can't openly say he's out of line and regarding what lordy said, I think he counted me for freedom of speech then what was I doing? If he wants to cause bad light for the project he's fine to do so, I as what was a happy user think I should spend my time else where and probably move packages. It's not the greatest, yet easy for me to manage but IPB as always can be brought to replace it. ~Joey P.s Ooo.. I sound like I'm offended, stubborn and somewhat childish. Although in defence I don't use things where people don't have respect and I would rather stay away when a simple word cannot be said.
@liranlgo (5748)
• Israel
20 Jul 07
Well joey it is like asking is somthing fair or not fair, of course it is not. It is not professional, and it is rather childish of this person. But there are so many people like the one you mentioned, that i can say only one sentence: the world is not fair, but there is nothing that we do in order to fix those things. I think that i would have personally try to ask him to rephrase what he said, because it is a bit low.
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20 Jul 07
Indeed, I was actually trying to point that out, however the response from him wasn't what I had expected. Oh I know for sure, too many but someone such as him shouldn't or at least be aware of what I had pointed. Ignorant people normally don't rephrase things, I think it's safe to say he proved that. ~Joey
• United States
20 Jul 07
I couldn't find your response back because the whole left side of the chatting area is wiped off, and I can only see half of all the other responses. But I do agree that it is very cruel for someone to use those adjectives to describe someone like that. I hope you gave them a big piece of your mind and I'll salute you for it!
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20 Jul 07
Hey There LilyoftheThorns, Oh right, My last comments right near the bottom but I dunno why it isn't show. (I don't expect them to stay around for long) bad reputation could cause there project major arm. For sure, I stuck to the point and remained fair at least my opinion. The person replied trying to rub me off as being stupid and taking what he said out context but as I replied it says more about his attitude then myself. Really, for someone in such a position should think about it and not come out saying that it's acceptable to do it when someone's illegal. Sounds childish to me =) Thanks!, ~Joey
@totty1969 (1473)
• United States
20 Jul 07
Hi joey, I don't think that is right. I don't understand why people do this kind of thing. I don't know why people always say deaf and dumb either. just because someone is deaf, doesn't mean they're dumb too. these people need to stop and think before talking or writing. Peace, Totty
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@dixie1 (1330)
• United States
23 Jul 07
All people need to learn the correct terminology for those with disabilities. "Deaf and Dumb" that is incorrect as there is no correlation between Deafness and Intellect. Blind are just that Blind or perhaps Visually Impaired. Mentally Retarded-I always refer as slow learners. People need to be educated in this area. For those who make fun and cruel comments of people with disabilities are cruel and also, By the Grace of God, it is not you with a disabilty. One must also remember that in their lifetime, most likely they will have a disabilty.
24 Jul 07
Dixie I couldn't agree with the correct terminology, I think so many of today's youngsters use such words without thinking. I'm sure if it was on the other boot, he wouldn't of liked it but oh well.. ~Joey
@dixie1 (1330)
• United States
24 Jul 07
HI, are you saying that you disagree with using the correct terminology for those with disabilities?
24 Jul 07
Nope.. That would be funny huh? especially since I took offence to what the guy said in the blog. I missed "More" couldn't agree more. :) ~Joey
@Lydia1901 (16354)
• United States
23 Jul 07
Yeah, it could be mean when someone is called that. I try my best to stay away from that name calling. It isn't nice at all.
24 Jul 07
I know, I'm the same here. I've gladly dropped it now, although I'm still surprised that he hasn't apologised to those who found the comments immature and offensive but oh well. ~Joey *waves!! :)
@drmusic (173)
• Mexico
24 Aug 07
well i will not use that kind of words becuse hgaving a spedcial disaability ios not like ben stupid or somethingk like that but i am a devoloper too and i hate i make somenthing to share and i am only waiting to have some recomnogisiton for that to leave the copyrigt on my templates etc and come a perosn with no moral and remove it that is so frustraiting X_X have a happy day
@lols189 (4797)
24 Aug 07
that is a bad comment joey i agree. there is no need for people like this to refer to others as being retarded or blind. these days some people need to get a grip and think before they speak
@cassidy22 (2975)
• United States
10 Aug 07
I'm with you, Joey. Why use descriptions such as blind or retarded as put downs or insults. I bet most blind people would tell you that they can "See" better than anyone who has to revert to insults. They are unfortunate labels we give to people to categorize them, but they shouldn't be used as insults. People who take cheap shots like that, to me, are just ignorant, and can't think of a more intelligent way to express themselves. You did the right thing by standing up. If no one does, for fear of retribution, no matter how small, how can we ever embody positive change?
@men82in (1270)
• India
10 Aug 07
After the birth without seeing the sunshine and other humans really the bad effects or we can say the gods doings towards the world humans. The briilliancy the people they wer having we cannot explain about their skills theyare more than we the real blind persons. Herin southindia theyare more educated comparing towards us. They are running businesses also over here.The laurels we are awarding to them is the laurels we awarded to our god or goddess.
@KrisNY (7591)
• United States
25 Jul 07
OK so I went there and I see the comment made be them- I find it very rude and ignorant as well. I was brought up and am teaching my daughter the same thing- be respectful- people are different but we are all the same. Don’t not be rude or look down on other people. I think whatever you say is fine- especially when you are standing up against ignorant people!
@charms88 (7541)
• Philippines
20 Jul 07
Hello Joey. I tried to assimilate tikitiki's point of view. He may be voicing his opinions on how he perceived people trying to illegally removed the copyrighted tags. We all have different ways of showing our anger, and this might be his way of retaliating these people. However, I agree that using "retarded" or "blind" came rather harsh and too strong. I sense that both of us would prefer to use gentler words and and it's not our nature to post something strong in our own posts. I can't really condone tikitiki's choice of words but then, I won't be happy to be called a retarded and blind either.
@pendragon (3352)
• United States
20 Jul 07
I went blind for a year due to a few chronic conditions that I unfortunately have, and while I understand that the term "blind" as used in many pop songs etc, just means inability to see,I still feel very put off by any reference of the sort.I was never so miserable and incapable in my whole life and to have it shoved in one's face as meaning less than the actual inability to see, I find foolish and incorrect.I take this quite personally, but that's just me.