Do you think bad behaviors are encouraged in the workplace?

Canada
August 7, 2007 10:57pm CST
I was somewhat surprised when I read this article. "Bad bosses get promoted, not punished?" http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/070803/odds/odd_work_bosses_dc In my opinion, this article can give a wrong impression to people who read it. The article has an implication -- Bad people will be encouraged in the workplace. You have to be a bully person in order to move ahead into your career. Otherwise, you won't be promoted. What do you think?
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@g_aileen09 (1354)
• Philippines
8 Aug 07
Good topic. It appears to be that way, because let's face it... who among the subordinates has ever reported a bad behaviour shown by their supervisor or co-employee to the higher boss? And it is not only thru mere reporting but MUST be in writing to make it valid and official. And the one who possesses strong personality is most likely to be the one chosen as a leader. For it is not in the quality or quantity of output that one gets to be promoted. It primarily lies on the leadership potential of a person. If that person happened to be a bully or tyrant, but still gets promoted, then what else can the subordinate do? Unless the business establishment has a policy to evaluate superiors... but where can we find that?
• Canada
8 Aug 07
In my opinion, to become a good leader doesn't have to be a bully or a tyrant. There are good leaders who are not tyrants (i.e., Mahatma Gandhi). Those tyrants in the workplace may be able to enjoy their time in the expense of others. However, do you think they will be happy in their current life and life after life? Those tyrants or bullies may not understand that their behaviors may create resentment among their subordinates. Obviously, those tyrants don't think about the company. In my opinion, they only think about themselves and they are the types of double faced people. I somewhat agree with your opinion. This is a difficult situation especially the higher boss doesn't know it. However, I think workplace can become a better environment if Human Resources Department can create an anonymous evaluation system where employees's opinions will be taken at the end of year. Human Resource Department can ask various questions (i.e., company's policy, environment including behaviors of co-workers and superiors).
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• Philippines
8 Aug 07
I so too look at tyrants as bad leaders... and this is related to my post.. hope you find time to visit this link. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1232775.aspx For a good leader should have to have empathy. for once he or she was also a subordinate, and for sure, she felt what it would be like to be under a tyrant boss. Unless he or she means revenge. In large corporations however, the "underground" system is rampant... the one who is nearer the boss gets promoted fast. and mind you, people who have these agenda really know whom to go near with. Your idea of an anonymous evaluation system is great. I might suggest it in our own company. thank you.
• Canada
8 Aug 07
I would like to hear its result. I like observing organizational and human behaviors and how the firm should increase employees' morale in the workplace.
• China
8 Aug 07
Bad bosses get promoted i think the "bad" is not the real bad maybe the bad means that as a boss he or she should be more "bad" or he or she will be cheated defeated in the commercial interactions
• Canada
8 Aug 07
Hi Chen, I don't understand your point. But thanks for your response, anyway.
• Solomon Islands
9 Aug 07
I think what are you trying to say here is that people gets promoted because of their personality, quality and capability. Though he might be a very "bad boss", the good thing about him is that he always satisfactorily accomplish things and render/facilitates business growth and expansion. The business cannot affort to loose him. Sometimes good bosses can turn bad mainly to maintain their prestage, position or win over competitors. The business (employer)won't reflect much on the persons bad behavior if records showed that they are the catalysts of company growth and expansion. So they were retained and advanced.
• United States
8 Aug 07
The problem with bad bosses being promoted is worst in large non profit organizations, NGO's, and in any government department. This is because of the lack of a profit incentive to keep the bosses in line and performing properly. Additionally, bad bosses tend to NEVER promote anyone competent who could make them look bad. This leads to a downward spiral in the leadership of any organization. When private industry gets a bad boss, they either get rid of him and his ilk or eventually go out of business. Unfortunately, whether private industry or otherwise, it takes too long to get rid of bad bosses.
• Canada
8 Aug 07
I agree with yours -- "bad bosses tend to NEVER promote anyone competent who could make them look bad". It is very true. It is just a psychological syndrome. "Bad" bosses tend to promote incompetent staffs because they will be able to manipulate their staffs and they can continye their legacy. However, it is not always like that. If the boss is smart and competent, he/she shouldn't be worry about promoting competent staffs.
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• United States
8 Aug 07
I agree that good bosses promote people even if they are smarter than themselves. Such bosses are rare, but they exist.
@DanaMark (807)
• United States
8 Aug 07
I think it is wrong, but I have seen it happen. My regional manager several years ago indicated that I wasn't ready to become a General Manager until I learned to be more aggressive. I never did make it to that position. I think I would have made a great General Manager, but I wasn't given the chance. I sure could have done better and would have been more responsible than the General Manager I was working under, but then he fit the "making subordinates miserable" description pretty well. I couldn't work that way. That is one of the reasons I opted for early-early retirement.
• Canada
8 Aug 07
I am sorry to hear about it. Being aggressive is not considered as a "bad" behavior, though. Unless we push hard someone and make him uncomfortable or obnoxious. Thus, such aggressive is intolerable.
• China
8 Aug 07
Of course not.In the workplace,bad behaviors will interrupt the working people,make the environment bad and even anger someone. I don't like that bosses.If I got a boss like that,maybe I'll fire him.
• Canada
8 Aug 07
I agree with you. Thanks for your response.
@lingli_78 (12852)
• Australia
8 Aug 07
i have to agree that the law of the jungle really applies in the workplace... survival of the fittest and dirty work always happen in the workplace... and like what the article says, in order to get promoted, you've got to be a 'bully'... sounds weird, but it is true in some sense...
• Canada
8 Aug 07
So, what you mean is... we are animals that live in jungle. Don't you think we are different from animals? We have common senses, norms, and moralities. We should live better than animals. Also, life is like a wheel (our Earth is round, isn't it?) We may not always be on the top and we may not always be on the bottom. When you are on the top, you shouldn't be arrogant, tyrant, and bad to others.
• Solomon Islands
8 Aug 07
I don't think its wise to entertain bad behaviors in the work place. This will affect work performance of other staff, and this will lead to Less less motivated staff, decline in work output, exodus of clients and eventually winding up of the business. Its a fact that although bad behaviors should not be entertained, it does exists but it should be addressed immediately. It is also a fact that the most cunning ambitious staff that are always ahead of the hard working quiet collegues. etc. Its part of life and have to accept that. Its our responsibility to counter them through promulgated Instructions or rules, to make things easier for everybody.
• Canada
8 Aug 07
Yes, I agree with promulgated instructions or rules. We should NOT encourage "bad" behaviors in the workplace. "Bad" supervisors including "bad" employees will decrease working's morale. It will finally decrease productivity, and create "bad" atmosphere in the workplace.
• Philippines
15 Aug 07
It wasnt really the case. All companies boast of the SOP that bad behavior wont be encouraged but in most cases, politics rule inside offices. I have seen this case personally. Lazy people and those who were robbing the company of time get promoted and praised but those who were working real hard were the ones who were less recognized. This is the type of system that I really hate.
@bowtieguy (5931)
• United States
10 Aug 07
In my workplace yes, there a lot of name calling, gossiping and other childish pranking that goes on where I work mostly to me and others I work with, which is only made worse when the laughter of others even the boss soemtimes encourages other to continue these childish acts.
@mermozn (18)
• Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
9 Aug 07
Hey dude, you were surprised. DO you have any names for these companies? or any record on them? they must be companies where investors are always thinks about profit . HR is nothing to them and they don' care about that. The good news is that these bad bosses will not take these companies further in the future that is all for now nkm