so, so you think you can tell, heaven from hell?

Canada
August 24, 2007 10:53am CST
many people believe that god judges people on whether they have been good and bad in their lives, then they go somewhere, depending on what they have done in their lives. my question is, who decides what is bad and what is good in morality? since religion is based on morals, and not ethics, there is always a gray area, and i find that surprising, because, since there is a god, there is an absolute truth which says that X is always bad.. you know? morality has a gray area, ethics is black and white. morality says that killing someone because you were in danger is okay. ethics says that although the outcome of the murder was good, you cannot justify the act of the murder itself. what do you think? why is religion based on morality and not ethics? wasn't jesus the one who said "turn the other cheek"? his teachings are based on ethics, the bible is based on morals... why?
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@Rollo1 (16685)
• Boston, Massachusetts
24 Aug 07
Those are some very confusing questions. Firstly, religion isn't based on morals. No one sets down a list of morals and creates a religion around it. A religion is centered on the figure worshipped, in my case, the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. Morals are based on laws given by God. Then I think you are confusing morality and law with justice. A law is what it is, it states what you may or may not do. However justice considers mitigating factors. Therefore, I can say it is always wrong to steal, but extend mercy to one who has stolen a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. There are no gray areas in the difference between right and wrong, there are circumstances and opinions, there is justice that is tempered by mercy. If many people believe God judges, then you have answered your own question about who decides what is good and bad in morality. Nearly all major laws governing human behavior stem from the original 10 laws given by God to Moses and they still are accepted as being of overriding importance: Do not kill, do not steal, etc. Therefore, in this case, God gave the law which establishes morality and by incorporating these laws into secular society, society proclaims them right and moral.
• Canada
24 Aug 07
no no, i dont think you understood my argument here.. im talking about ethics vs morals and why the bible is moral while jesus is ethical. religion should be ethical, not moral.
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@Rollo1 (16685)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Aug 07
Ethics is a branch of philosophy. Philosophy was invented by man. Then explain why religion should be based on a philosophy that is created by man, rather than morals set down by a deity? Philosophy is great, but philosophers like Parmenides and Zeno taught us that movement is impossible. So perhaps philosophy does not always hold all the answers. Religions are not created out of a set of rules, laws, morals or ethics. The moral laws that men must try to adhere to flow from the religious belief, not the other way around.
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• Canada
25 Aug 07
so what your saying is that god wrote the bible? why so many contradictions in the bible? i mean, if you think god wrote the bible.. man... thats just... i dono man, i guess theres nothing else to argue because you really dont know the history of the bible, you know how many times its been changed?.. wtvr, nevermind, you dont need to answer...
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
24 Aug 07
First of all, I dig the title. Pink Floyd is one of my favorite groups. I personally have always felt that causing harm to another person is immoral wheras society has it's own views of morality. As far as ethics is concerned, I've always thought that ethics is also fairly subjective, but I've never studied the subject. So I would need to get back to you
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• Canada
24 Aug 07
lol..yeaaaa, i was wondering if anyone figured that out lol.. and okay, we will talk when you do some research
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@sid556 (31005)
• United States
25 Aug 07
so who let the genius in?
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@Pose123 (21667)
• Canada
24 Aug 07
It is society who decides what is good or bad. Anyone who looks at the history of humanity can see that clearly.
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• Canada
24 Aug 07
so is it society that decides what is good and bad in the bible?
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@Rollo1 (16685)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Aug 07
Not all societies follow the Bible or the God of the Bible. However, the morals in the Bible are the basis for the laws and morals of nearly all civilized societies on Earth.
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@Pose123 (21667)
• Canada
25 Aug 07
For those who believe and follow the Bible, They must decide for themselves what they consider good or bad. The society we live in pretty much decides right and wrong for us, and would probably effect their decision. Of course, some people think that everything in the the Bible has to be true, and if God told someone to wipe out a whole village, including women and children, it has to be right because God said so. I still agree with Shakespeare, " There's nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
24 Aug 07
Ethics can be situational, morality is not... or at least, it shouldn't be. I read your headline and had a strange compulsion to write, blue skys from pain can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? a smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?* Of course, my mom always said I couldn't tell my butt from a hole in the ground, so what do I know? * The rest of the first verse of Pink FLoyd's immortal "Wish You Were Here", to satisfy the legal niceties. Written by the twisted genius Roger Waters, all rights reserved, etc, etc, etc.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
24 Aug 07
LOL, I just had a strange compulsion to play the song; and I did.
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• Canada
24 Aug 07
lol.. isnt ethics the absolute structure though? for example.. "killing is wrong" is part of ethics... you know?
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• United States
25 Aug 07
Actually, it's the opposite - morality says killing is wrong, but it is totally OK for soldiers to kill lots of "the enemy", under the right circumstances (situational ethics).
@sandwedge (1341)
• Malaysia
25 Aug 07
hey..isn't that line from a Pink Floyd's song? i barely remember but i use to listen to floyd in college along time ago...that was another lifetime. i think the song was "Wish your were here". if i humm it long enough the lyrics will come back.... "so, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? a smile from a veil? do you think you can tell?" ..hahaha. there.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
25 Aug 07
"Oh, how I wish you were here. We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year."
• Philippines
25 Aug 07
As teaching in the church when you do good things you will be rewarded. And when you do bad you'll gonna pay for whatever you've done whether it is immoral or unethical. There is God above whose checking on us, not to judge us but to guide us on our daily activities, only a whisper of prayer would do a lot.
• Philippines
25 Aug 07
As teaching in the church when you do good things you will be rewarded. And when you do bad you'll gonna pay for whatever you've done whether it is immoral or unethical. There is God above whose checking on us, not to judge us but to guide us on our daily activities, only a whisper of prayer would do a lot.
@sid556 (31005)
• United States
25 Aug 07
I judge heaven and hell, right and wrong, based on my gut. when i'm doing something that is wrong for me or if something is wrong in my life...i feel it very strongly in my gut...it hurts. to me that is an indicator. We all have our own morals and standards. As you say, some things are black and white. tough question you have posed here. You are absolutely right. You really are. I guess i try hard not to get too self-righteous on these issues because each situation is different and just when I state a firm view on something...someone will offer up a situation that gives me pause to reconsider. I guess I only know whats right for me and beyond that I really dont know anything.