Help Please! Rudy Giuliani Says Illegal Immigration is NOT a Crime.

United States
September 8, 2007 4:15pm CST
I am confused these two statements which were made just 3 weeks apart and I dont know whether Rudy is for the illegals or against them. This latest says illegal immigration is not a crime but the earliest statement is saying how "tough" he is going to be with them! I am really not too sure where he is coming from. Can anyone help me? RUDY TWIST ON 'ILLEGALS' September 8, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani says illegal immigration is not a crime. "I know that's very hard for people to understand - but it's not a federal crime," he said yesterday. "I know this. In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it's not a criminal proceeding. It's a civil proceeding." Illegal immigration shouldn't be a crime, either, Giuliani said. "The government wouldn't be able to prosecute it. We couldn't prosecute 12 million people." He added: "My solution is close the border to illegal immigration." http://www.nypost.com/seven/09082007/news/nationalnews/rudy_twist_on_illegals.htm TOUGH TALK FROM RUDY ON IMMIGRATION August 15, 2007 -- Rudy Giuliani said yesterday he will require all newcomers to America to learn English - and vowed to crack down on illegal immigration with beefed-up border security, a new tracking system, and a policy of booting out all alien criminals. "I promise you, we can end illegal immigration," Giuliani said at a community center in Aiken, S.C. Stressing that illegal immigration is a national security issue following 9/11, Giuliani said he will relentlessly attack the problem the same way he focused on cutting crime in the Big Apple. "Real immigration reform must put security first because border security and homeland security are inseparable in the terrorists' war on us," he said. He said he would require a uniform identification card for foreign workers and students and create a central database to track the legal status of visitors to the country. All foreigners committed of crimes would be deported. Only 14 percent are kicked out now, he said. As president, he would accelerate the construction of 700 miles of fence along the Mexican border and deploy 20,000 border patrol agents. Giuliani also said he would create a BorderStat program - mirrored after the CompStat system used by the NYPD to track crime - to measure the success of border patrol enforcement. "That's a lot of people who walk over your border without being identified," Giuliani said of the 12 million illegals. Giuliani also proposed that all immigrants who want to become citizens "must truly read, write and speak English and learn American civics." Critics said Giuliani's get-tough plan contrasts with his actions as mayor, when he actually filed a lawsuit to protect the identity of illegal aliens receiving city services. Meanwhile, on foreign policy, the pro-Israel Giuliani said he opposes creating an independent Palestinian state at this time. "It is not in the interest of the United States, at a time when it is being threatened by Islamist terrorists, to assist the creation of another state that will support terrorism," Giuliani said in Foreign Affairs magazine. http://www.nypost.com/seven/08152007/news/nationalnews/tough_talk_from_rudy_on_immigration_nationalnews_carl_campanile.htm
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@GardenGerty (92268)
• Marion, Kansas
8 Sep 07
Well, the way I am reading what you have posted is that RG is just using semantics, but he is also telling the truth. He said that illegal immigration is not a crime--that must mean that although it is illegal to come in without proper papers there is no law that says "Coming in without going through the proper steps shall be punished by fines or imprisonment." He also says if there was a law we could not afford to prosecute it. He is saying that he plans to stop it, but not prosecute it, but he will prosecute and deport anyone who is here illegally who commits a crime, and deport them. Politics is confusing. I may not have shed any light either. Thanks for bringing this up.
@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
8 Sep 07
Yea no light was shed there, but its quite understandable Garden. And now once again this is just another flapping head talking out of both sides of the wind. Under the Immigration and Nationality Act coming illegally to the country is indeed a crime. However, it is a misdemeanor for first time offenders. Its a felony if people repeatedly violate the law or if they violated the inadmissible clauses of immigration law (diseases, criminal records, etc). Anyone violating said law can be deported.
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• United States
8 Sep 07
I noticed that nothing was said about what he would do with the millions of illegals who are already here. Thanks for clearing some of it up for me.
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@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
8 Sep 07
Its a hot topic Heather, and if anyone really came out with a stance on it they'd be nailed. Sad part is more people are calling for real reform to immigration, but the citizenry is seldom listened to or they are belittled about it. And with that scenario I have to call the politicians, the powers that be, the media and the candidates all into question over it. Its rough. Heather thanks for the discussion. Positives for you. I'm gonna have to bow out and take five from political threads. I've got to enjoy my weekend :) You and everyone else take care now!
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• United States
8 Sep 07
To me it sounds like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth, to suit whatever event he may be at. Unfortunately alot of politicians do that. However, he does make some valid points, and illegal immigration is a very hot topic for this country right now. Hopefully someone will nail him down at one of these debates, as to what he really thinks and what he will do about it.
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• United States
8 Sep 07
I agree with you.
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• United States
8 Sep 07
I also agree.
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
9 Sep 07
Sounds to me like he is back paddling here . Seems to me like it should be a federal crime. and now is veiws stink it would take a long time to build a fence that long but if all states got to going on it it wouldnt take all the long and then start deporting all the illigales and fast!
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Sep 07
It REALLY isn't a crime and these people are actualy commiting an act that is no more serious by our laws than a jay-walking ticket. I.C.E. is not deporting people or even picking them up. We need to change the laws to MAKE it a felony, then I.C.E. would be forced to take action and deport or arrest them.
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• United States
9 Sep 07
I agree with you Lakota
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
9 Sep 07
well lets get into law then they write them all the time. and I watched NIC or ICE what every surround the building I worked in and rounded up oh I dont know how many that had papers that LOOKED real but were bogus every one they took got sent back to where they came from!
@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
8 Sep 07
Seems like most of us are in agreement here. I would have posted sooner but something came up. I'm telling everyone, watch these candidates and your current leaders carefully. They are acting nuttier by the second and this is just another drop in the proverbial giant bucket.
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• United States
8 Sep 07
I dont know about anyone else but I find that the more the presidential candidates talk the more difficult it is for me to find anyone I want to vote for.
@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
8 Sep 07
Definitely agree. But you'll find I'm one thats always critical of the elected officials. I've held them under the microscope for years so I hope you can understand any cynicism I bring to political debates.
• United States
8 Sep 07
Wow talk about working both sides of the fence! I would love to walk up to him and ask "if they aren't illegal why do you keep calling them illegal immigrants?" If they weren't doing something that isn't legal; they wouldn't be called illegals would they? Gosh now I am starting to sound like him!
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• United States
8 Sep 07
Yep that is why I am confused.
@alindahaw (1219)
• Philippines
9 Sep 07
Giuliani's statements are typical of any politicians who do not really want to displease a certain sector of society and lose their votes. It's a play of words really. Anyway, the fact that New York City adopted a policy of giving medical treatment to people without questioning the legality of their presence in the country speaks for itself.
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@Aussies2007 (5339)
• Australia
9 Sep 07
Well... he is right. It should be a crime... but it is not a crime. The reason that we don't make it a crime... is that it would cost us money prosecuting them and putting them in jail. And it would not achieve anything. It is much simpler to arrest them and deport them. The only reason those people keep coming in the US is because a section of your community is willing to give them work. They employ them as slave labour... pay them next to nothing... and make a huge profit. American capitalists have replaced the black slave trade with the illegal slave trade. As long as Americans don't come to grip with the fact that slavery is a big no-no... the slaves will keep coming. Instead of building a wall... you should treaten any American citizen with a jail sentence if they are caught employing an illegal. Once there is no work for them... they will stop coming.
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@sunshinecup (7882)
9 Sep 07
Can you say conflicting??? On one hand he wants to get stiffer security to keep them out, yet he doesn’t see they are committing a crime by being here and then this .... "Critics said Giuliani's get-tough plan contrasts with his actions as mayor, when he actually filed a lawsuit to protect the identity of illegal aliens receiving city services. " Sorry but he seems to be trying to play both sides of the issue. He seems to be trying to snuggle up to the bleeding hearts as well as those that want these criminals out of here. The proof seems very much in the pudding, and I have to ask myself do I really want a person in office that seems to be so conniving now?
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Sep 07
But it's not conflicting. It REALLY isn't a crime and these people are actualy commiting an act that is no more serious by our laws than a jay-walking ticket. I.C.E. is not deporting people or even picking them up.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Sep 07
The man was litteraly STUCK with hundreds of thousands of ilegal immigrants in his hands. If he had not done what he could to help the people who were now in his care, whether he liked it or not, he would have been chastized for leaving them out to dry. The man was very much between a rock and a hard place.
• United States
9 Sep 07
I had thought maybe he would be different because he has been taking so much flack his personal life and his kids not liking him, as he seemed pretty much up front in his defense....now I don't like him either. So you are correct sunshinecup I would not want him in office.
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@twoey68 (13662)
• United States
9 Sep 07
Most of his ideas seem pretty good...now if we can just find someone to start doing it. :) **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
• United States
9 Sep 07
Which ones that they are not illegal/criminal or that they are?
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@twoey68 (13662)
• United States
9 Sep 07
I'm sorry I'll clarify. I think his idea's for controlling the illegals coming in and beefing up the borders are great. Personally I think Illegal Immigrants that are sneaking into our country are breaking the law and need to be deported. But until we beef up the borders that isn't going to do alot of good b/c they will just come right back. **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@lovein (345)
• India
9 Sep 07
If a man by action do not harm any one. It is just an action we can not say it as Good Action Nor We can Call It a No Good Action. Thanks
• United States
9 Sep 07
Say what???
@Netsbridge (3243)
• United States
11 Sep 07
Whiteheather39, 1). True, illegal immigration is not criminal by US law. 2). Why do you think that for the past seven years, with republicans in control, nothing was done about "illegal" immigration? My dear, the plain truth is that, the US economy survives and soars because of low paying workers, that being your "illegal" immigrants. Your republicans know this fact and have thus decided to do nothing about the situation - because they know that it will negatively impact their check books.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Sep 07
Most of you got it wrong. Guliani was right. It isn't a crime. It isn't even a felony or a misdemenor. It is a violation. And when he was mayor of new york, He authorized police to contact I.C.E. and know what happened? They wouldn't even show up to deport the captued individual. I.C.E. told them " we are no longer comming in to pick these people up. So what was they new york city police department suposed to do? Round up sdome 400,000 illegal New York citizens and deport them them selves? They did not have the authority to do it.