Didn't stray?

United States
September 15, 2007 9:37am CST
I have recently been in several discussions about the Catholic church. I contend that they have strayed from the bible. I have had others insist this isn't so. Here is just one example that clearly shows that they have (after reading it please give me your opinion) 1 Timothy 4:1-4 1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; (vs 3 says food, the King James and other versions say meat)
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@Debs_place (10524)
• United States
15 Sep 07
Can you expand on this. To my knowledge the catholic church does not forbid marriage other then by priests and nuns, and does not forbid foods.
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• United States
15 Sep 07
Sure I will expand on this. You are right that the church forbids priests and nuns to marry. But what does the scripture say? It says forbid marriage. It doesn't say it is ok to forbid it for some and not for others; does it? Forbidding priests and nuns to marry is forbidding marriage isn't it? I know that for ages it was forbidden to eat meat on Fridays. Then it was only Fridays during Lent. Now it is only forbidden on Good Friday. Isn't that a command to abstain from food?
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• United States
15 Sep 07
Debs I agree with what you said. The bible even says that bishops are to be married because if they can't rule their home how can they lead believers. The thing with adding to and removing teachings along the way is that it only further shows that they believe teachings of man not of God. The problem is that they don't believe that to be true. They believe that what the church teaches is in line with the bible. I am trying to show how/where they have strayed. I try to do in politely and I hope I succeed in doing so. I know that the giving up meat is viewed as a sacrifice. There are problems with that. They aren't choosing to make their sacrifice; they are being told they have to do it. That doesn't show sacrifice, it shows they can follow the rules. Sacrifices should come from the heart. IF someone wants to fast; it should be something dear to them. Then it becomes a sacrifice. Like the person with a sweet tooth giving up sweets would be a sacrifice. When we were kids we were told to give something up for Lent. WE CHOSE what we were going to give up. THAT was a sacrifice!! And if the church commands specifically meat -then where is the sacrifice for vegetarians?
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• United States
15 Sep 07
Well you would just have to give up something non food. IF you gave up tv one day a week or something that would be a sacrifice.
@CatsandDogs (13964)
• United States
17 Sep 07
I'm a bit miffed at this discussion because I was raised in the Catholic faith however I don't pratice it now for it's a bit too starchy for me. Now as you put it "some will fall away from the faith" SOME will yes, I agree with that but not ALL. There are quite a few that follow the religion to a T but there are SOME that fall away and do things that they are not suppose to. Yes there are a few priets that have done wrong to children and I agree that they should be held accountable for their terrible deeds however, let's not blame the whole congregation but the priest himself and only the priest himself. Now if someone within the congregation did something wrong then let's hold that one someone accountable but not the whole congregation. You have the word "they" which means everyone which is so awfully wrong. Just as in any religion, you're going to have a few that stray off and some return and some do not but we can not blame the whole for it's not everyone. I will defend the Catholic religion till the day I die because I KNOW what it's about. It has it's wrong doings just as any other religion does so please be careful in how you word things and how you lay the blame.
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• United States
17 Sep 07
Be miffed; that's fine. I didn't post this to make anyone happy. This discussion has nothing to do with people straying from the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. This discussion has NOTHING to do with the wrong doings of the priests or anything like that. It has to do only with the fact that the Roman Catholic church says that their beliefs have not strayed from the teachings of the bible. I am showing two examples with one verse of them straying from the bible. ex #1 - "forbid men to marry" - does the priesthood not forbid marriage? (I am not talking about converts to the religion that were married before becoming priests nor am I talking about the orthodox Catholic religions. I am talking about men who go to semenary and want to be priests. They are forbidden to marry aren't they?) ex#2 - "order them to abstain from food (meat in the KJV)" is not telling people that they can't eat meat on Fridays ordering people to abstain from food? (yes I know that it has been changed to just Good Friday but it is still an order to abstain from food) Are those teachings of the Roman Catholic church contrary to what the bible says? That is the point of my post.
@CatsandDogs (13964)
• United States
17 Sep 07
I will be miffed thank you. You are still saying SOME and that's not ALL. So don't down the religion on the basis of one or few. There is a difference.
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• United States
17 Sep 07
I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound rude and insulting when I said to go ahead and be miffed. I only meant that if you are miffed that is fine; I am not going to be upset by it. You say that I am still saying some and not ALL. Where have I said that? The Roman Catholic religion forbids the marriage of both priests and nuns. As I said to someone else; the scripture from the unerring word of God, does NOT say it is ok to forbid marriage for some and not others. Does it? Read what it says carefully. The Roman Catholic church forbade the eating of meat on Fridays (and has since changed that several times). Does the scripture say it is ok to do that? No it doesn't. As I said this has nothing to do with people who follow Roman Catholicism. It has to do only with the teachings of the church and how they do not line up with the teachings of God. I have no judgement toward you or anyone else that follows the teachings of the Vatican. I only am showing that the teachings are not those of our Holy God; that they are teachings created by man. I was raised Roman Catholic and kept following it and believing it to be true and right UNTIL I entered Catholic school. I was always uneasy in religion class and often got myself in trouble for asking the nun to back her teachings with the bible. She never did. I left the Catholic church after my confirmation. After leaving is when I started searching God's word. It was then that I started seeing that I wasn't learning God's word but the teachings of man. My whole family is still Roman Catholic (ok not my hubby or my kids but the rest including my parents) so please don't think that I am judging you or any Catholic. I am challenging you to look at what God says and compare it to what the Roman Catholic church says and let the Holy Spirit guide you. If you change your mind about something ok; if you don't ok. I am not out to try to force anyone to change their beliefs but only to show the word of God and how it and the teachings of the Roman Catholic church are not the same. The rest is up to God.
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@estherlou (5017)
• United States
16 Sep 07
We need to hear specifically what you think the Catholic church is doing. All you did was to quote some scripture. Tell us more...
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@estherlou (5017)
• United States
16 Sep 07
Okay...answered this from email, and now that I am on your discussion, I see more information. Thanks.
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• United States
16 Sep 07
I'm glad you came here and saw my point behind the post. A Roman Catholic would probably know what I meant by reading them.
@patgalca (15131)
• Orangeville, Ontario
16 Sep 07
I know I have strayed away from the Bible, the church and even gave up on God at times. During my first marriage I had an abusive husband and spent six years trying to get pregnant. I never got pregnant and I would get mad at God. I would get mad at Him for not "fixing" my husband and/or our marriage. I have now returned to the church and my faith but sometimes feel that He is not in my heart as strong as He should be. I want Him to be but it is hard sometimes. But I hold on and don't let go. I know He is there and continue to pray that He will help me along the way. He has helped in times but I did not recognize that it was His work. Sometimes we don't realize when He is helping. That's what makes it hard.
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• United States
17 Sep 07
Pat I am glad that you have turned back to God but that wasn't at all what the post was about. I will not report your post as there is nothing wrong with it but it is just off topic. Sometimes you don't realize that God is there helping until a long time later. It can be very hard to see God at work when we are struggling.
@tinamwhite (3255)
• United States
15 Sep 07
I think that this is a minor point...food, meat...to each his/her own beliefs are sacred and I think that all have the right to freedom of religion and beliefs.....
• United States
15 Sep 07
I will never say that anyone can't practice what ever they want. My point is not that at all. My point is that I keep being told over and over that the catholic church does not have beliefs contrary to what the bible says. This is one small thing that shows that not to be true.