Do You Believe that Silence Means Consent?

@drannhh (15219)
United States
September 28, 2007 3:42am CST
When you hear something said that is wrong, do you want to correct it or do you just keep quiet? Here on myLot when I see a discussion about politics or religion, I usually stay out of it. But I think it is really wrong for people to attack other people's governments or religion in these social networking discussions. So sometimes I wonder if people are going to think that silence means consent. Do you think it does or not? How do you decide? What about a fight? There has been new footage lately where a whole bunch of people beat up on just one person and nobody did anything about it. Have you ever seen that happen in real life? What would you do?
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
16 Oct 07
Hello Drannhh, Great topic! I believe that it's best to choose our fights wisely. In the arena of thought and idea, I will often times engage in a discussion for the purpose of offering a differing perspective. I will usually only 'put the gloves on' if an exchange I stumble upon is either irresponsibly aggressive, or potentially harmful. In the physical world, I could not stand by and allow thuggery to unfold without interference. I've always supported the notion that the pen, and therefore the mind, is mightier than the sword. However, brut force is generally irrational, so restraining aggressors may sometimes be the only way to create a necessary moment of pause, whereby reason my re-emerge. In my personal experience, most thugs 'stand down' when a calm, yet resolute voice of reason interjects. As your discussion relates to threads posted in MyLot, I would never attack another for their beliefs. We are each free to believe as we choose. And, I tend to support any such instance where folks are using the grey matter between their ears. However, we are not free to abuse others in the pursuit of expressing those beliefs, which in my perspective includes manipulative deception. Although I do enjoy a vigorous debate of ideas, I tend to stay away from the vitriolic. In those sorts of contentious discussions, the objective isn't generally the exchange of ideas anyway, so I figure -- why bother? As to whether silence implies consent ... well, yes I believe it does. Two quotes come to mind: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." - Haile Selassie
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
16 Oct 07
Thank you for the excellent quotations which illustrate the ancient idea of "Qui tacet consentit" far better than I can!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
17 Oct 07
Hello Drannhh, Your welcome! One of my biggest regrets in life is that I didn't study Latin in school. It was offered, yet I opted for another instead. I learned some through the law texts, and can usually stumble my way some Latin text (with the help of a Latin dictionary). Yet, I do wish that I had valued it enough to commit to it back then. Silly me!
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
17 Oct 07
Cripers, grrrl, we didn't have ANY choice at all. No German, no Latin, no Italian, not even Spanish. No language lab either. When I started college and signed up for beginning French, there were people in the same class that came in with 4 years of HS French under their belts. Rotten, rotten, rotten, unfair I called it, but what doesn't kill you in the first 15 minutes makes you stronger...
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@aaidjs (1149)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
3 Nov 07
Hi again,If I am in position to be a part of discussion I will always say what I think,I will never just stay in silence!!We have to fight for our opinion!!We have to stay next to our friends and family!!In real life we have to be strong and free to say all we have to say!!In front of me no one cant beat anyone without my participation.I am a women but I am a fighter too!!I have my opinion and I fight for it!!I learn my children and grandchildren that they need to have opinion about all and be strong and fight for justice and freedom!! warm Regards Silvana
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@aaidjs (1149)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
3 Nov 07
Thanks Dear!!Silvana
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
3 Nov 07
Good for you! Often women especially have to be strong or we get trampled upon. I much prefer friends like you than ones who would stand by and do nothing when they see a wrong.
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• United States
10 Oct 07
I'd like to correct a lot of things, but if it's not my conversation, well, I stay out of it. To me, silence does not mean consent. If I see a fight, and I have, I try to stop it. It doesn't always work, but it makes me a good witness for the person getting beat on. Once, I rescued a girl from her boyfriend's beating on a street corner. I pulled over, and with every bit of authority that I could, I said to her "Get in". I did not know her, but she did get in. I never saw her after that day, so I don't know if she stayed with the jerk or not. But, FOR THAT DAY, I made it better for her.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
10 Oct 07
You were very brave. Getting in between quarreling "lovers" is one very risky proposition, but I hope she appreciated having been rescued and had enough sense to stay far away from that guy. Unfortunately, she probably didn't. But you tried.
• United States
13 Oct 07
I have been in that situation myself, many moons ago. I remembered what it felt like, and I wanted to help the girl. No one ever intervened and helped me. It was a case of reaction. I didn't even think about it. I just did it!
• Philippines
10 Oct 07
well silent really tells us a lot of things. it might be o"ok you win i will just shut up now" or it oculd be more of a angst kind of silence that later on will just errupt after a few seconds. silent really is kind of an expressions wherein you could hide youre emotions or a period of time wherein you could keep up youre composure
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
11 Oct 07
Yes, sometimes when I am really really mad I get silent because I don't want to scream, lol. Or I am taking the time to try to think of a better way to respond and then it is too late. Maybe this is where the expression to "bite your tongue" comes from. So in that way, instead of implying consent, the silence implies disagreement! Well, I think if the other person cares enough they can ask. Usually they don't!
@kishusia (1066)
• India
10 Oct 07
Street fight - These days people fight on small issues
No, silence does not mean consent. Like disagreement, agreement should also be expressed in words. Keeping silent may also mean that one does not want to get involved in the discussion or the violent incident you have referred to. It is right that one should not attack other religions.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Often I feel like not getting involved, but there are other times when it does seen necessary to speak out against an injustice. You are so right that words are the correct weapon to use in expressing disagreement.
@laurika (4532)
• United States
11 Oct 07
I think it really depends on people.Some of us would tell you if they agree and some of don't.I much more prefer when people are talking even if they agree or not.I know it is hard to speak in every situation, but we should becuase if we are silent everybody take it just their own way and then it can cause fights.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
11 Oct 07
Yes, that is true. Sometimes when we don't say what we should it eats at us and then we get mad. Or maybe the behavior continues and then we get mad.
@balasri (26537)
• India
18 Nov 07
I just cannot stand a bad thing happening in front of me.I will do whatever I can immediately.That is my nature.Otherwiswe i just cannot sleep peacefully.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
29 Nov 07
Yes, sleeping peacefully and then being able to stand the sight of one's own face in the mirror are rewards for good action, I think. We can fool others, but only we are the fools if we try to fool ourselves. Thanks for your comment.
@Perry2007 (2229)
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Silence means anything. I really dont believe in silence means yes. Like you if there is something that I dont agree with, and it's not important to express my opinion, I just shut up. There are things better unsaid, sometimes.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
18 Nov 07
Probably each of us has at least a few moments like that. Thanks for your opinion.
@men82in (1268)
• India
17 Nov 07
Those were old proverbs. If we know definitely we will reply. Nothing wrong in commenting ongovernmets' and religions we are in freelance only not a sensored press rules we are having.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
17 Nov 07
One of my concerns is that with so many of us not quite understanding all the nuances of English, someone could get offended if ambiguities are left in the open. I'm glad, though, that you speak up for what you believe is right.
• Hong Kong
23 Jan 08
This is interesting. Different people have different opinions, when I hear something that I think is wrong (that other person might think it's right!), it depends on that person's personality if I would say something or not. I don't think silence means consent, sometimes, I just don't want to waste my energy to "convert" some stubborn people's beliefs and that doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with them. If someone I don't know is being ridiculous rude to me or other people with some wicked opinions, I surely will say something out loud! And about a fight! I haven't seen those in my real life (lucky) but I always imagine that if I see something that dramatic, I would definitely at least try to help, not by fighting, but by calling the police!
• Hong Kong
25 Jan 08
Yep, especially religion! I think sometimes people get into their own belief so deep that they forget the world is made of different voices and opinions and forget to keep an open mind. Politics and religion, I usually avoid those subjects myself too, or I try to change it *laughs*.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
26 Jan 08
That is undoubtedly why your rating here is 100/100 under that shiny blue star! Some people told me I was at 99/100 for a while, but I didn't see that. When it took a nose-dive, several friends IMd to ask, "What happened to your rating?" and frankly I hadn't noticed.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
24 Jan 08
Yes, I know what you mean. Usually I can keep quiet and here on myLot I try to avoid getting into issues like politics and religion, but today I had to speak out on a couple of things. Ooops, there goes my rating again, lol.
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@cahotek (13)
• United States
17 Nov 07
Anglo-american law is based on the adversarial system so in nations like the US and England silence implies consent... The American Founders built this into the constitution in the form of the Bill of Rights, particularly the second and 4th amendments..this is also guaranteed in the 5th amendment which says you have the right not to be forced to testify against yourself. The adversarial system has it's source in the masculine codes of conduct where a man is always expected to defend himself by force when he is attacked in any way... even to the point of a duel in order to defend one's honor... this principle of the duel was preserved in Colonial America even to the point of the duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr in which Aaron Burr was killed by Hamilton. Over the years this principle has been modiefied somewhat but it still preserved in the legal and justice systems.. I personally am not all in agreement with it.. there are certainly times when it makes good sense to remain silent, particularly when dealing with someone who can't handle confronation in a peaceful manner..in such cases if may be a good idea to follow the Christian principles of turning the other cheek and of agreeing with one's adversary while in the way with him... continuing in your own path when the dangerous individual has removed himself from your presence.
• United States
17 Nov 07
I don't know drannhh. Before I met my husband, I always went with the old "Silence is golden" rule. I never spoke if I thought it would cause conflict. Well, guess what? He does the same darn thing. If he is silent, it usually means I did something bad. I've had to start speaking, even if it is going to cause conflict, just to show him that it IS ok to speak.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
17 Nov 07
No wonder he likes to go around lighting candles, nah, nah, nah! But seriously, sometimes conflict clears the air. Sometimes sulking is a lot worse than yelling.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
26 Jan 08
ROFLMAO, how did I miss this? Do you tell him it is his SULKING you are ranting and raving about?!
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• United States
17 Nov 07
You are so right! He sulks and (according to him) I rant and rave. He always says "What are you rantin and ravin about now?"
@hillock (749)
• Qatar
15 Nov 07
i havent seen a fight. but if ever i did, i will try to help. i just couldnt be silent and watch. perhaps if im too afraid to butt in ill probably call for help like calling police or someone who could lend a hand.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Calling others in to help seems like a perfectly valid response to me and much better than standing silently by and allowing injustice to prevail. Good for you!