need your advice

Philippines
November 17, 2007 9:28am CST
Well, I've been living in with my partner. I love him and I know that he loves me. We have a small internet cafe. His cousin is living with us and he is the one looking after the cafe. This is the problem, I talked to my partner if I could be the one to look after the internet cafe, since Im doing online jobs, I could make use of the server computer. My intention is, the server is on as long as the internet cafe is open, so I could make quality time there instead of opening the computer here in the bedroom that will add up to our electricity consumption. The internet cafe income is not taht big and sometimes short for the monthly bills. We have to borrow money from his mother. Having his cousin here is added expenses of course for food consumption and electricity. But he said that he cant do that. His cousin is chatting all day in the server. My partner also stays here at home, he is the one repairing computers. We are both here, so I think that we could manage the shop in our own and can save a lot. or atleast make our income enough for us. Am I asking too much? Im only thinking for the benefit of the family, since I believe that we should cut down expenses. Anyway, his cousin is just chatting all day, I dont think we are helping him anyway. Instead of chatting, I could earn from the time that the server is operating. I told my partner taht we could talk to his cousin and not just take the sacrifice of facing a lot of bill. But I feel that he doesn't want to. What should I do?
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
17 Nov 07
Your husband repairs computers, you do online work and the cousin chats and eats your food. What work does he do? It seems like he is a liability. Either he starts doing real work or he goes. Do you pay him to do this? I wish I was related to your partner...his cousin has it nice.
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• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Well he does nothing but look after the cafe. But I can do that if Im the one in the server. No, we dont pay him, actually I believe we dont need assistant here because the internet cafe is small with only 6 computers that the customer can use. Actually it is 7 but I have to put 1 computer in my room for online works. Imagine that we can use that 1 pc in our room for the customer if only I can use the server.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
17 Nov 07
I agree with you I think his cousin should pay at least a third of the bills and help with buying some food. I think your partner needs to realize that you both need his cousin's help with the bills and food. I don't think you are wrong at all.
@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
18 Nov 07
He needs to go out and look for a job or go back home. That sounds like a big mess.
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• Philippines
18 Nov 07
A big mess? What do you mean? He was only 18 years old and I believe that he should finish his studies. He stop studying because instead of going to school from their house, he stay here to chat.
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• Philippines
17 Nov 07
How could he help us paying, he was even depending in us for his food. I believe taht there are better ways he could spend his time. And he could always go back to his family, they have their own house but they dont have computer. His mother wont buy him one, because she believes its an added expenses.
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• Kuwait
17 Nov 07
Oh my goodness, why just now you decide to take over from your small internet cafe? why not ever since you started the business? any way late is better than never.
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Well, the internet cafe was the business of my partner just before we lived in together. And his cousin was here ever since. i guess that it why he find it hard to make him leave. But I believe that we cant go on this way esp now that expenses are getting higher. We need to do something about our life.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
17 Nov 07
I have never thought it was a good idea having anyone living with you.When two people live togeather as a couple they need the time to be by themselves...I know that to have a third party, even if it is a family member it takes a toll on the relationship..My children are grown, but my son has lived with us twice before, but he is a grown man ,and even though he is my son , and i love him, it puts a strain on me..I have to make sure there is enough food for all of us, and you have to include that person in all your daily life...It also cost a lot more money than you think when you have just one extra person living in your home...I think it would be good for both you and your partner if you could run things with just the two of you.I also understand that your partner does not want to hurt his cousin by asking him to leave.He probably knows that the two of you could run this business but he probably hates to tell his cousin...maybe he does not like to confront him...Maybe you could call a family meeting and just explain to the cousin all the expense and that you two are having to struggle and just be open and honest.I do think you should give his cousin time to find other housing arrangements but other than that, i feel what you are saying sounds better for your and your partners benefit...I don't know what to tell you to do, if your partner refuses those options though...Maybe you could show him these replys here on mylot..
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Yes it is never a good idea. But they have been living like this just before I came in his life. At first it was fine, but now there are things that we have to consider like having our savings for the future. And yes you are right that we will save more if we dont have his cousin here. His cousin have his own family, he can go back to his parents anytime he want.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
17 Nov 07
I don't think that you are asking too much. You may not pay him to oversee the cafe, but you certainly do pay him by him eating your food, increasing your electricity bill by him being in your home and so on. It sounds as if the cousin is taking you and your partner for a ride. I think it would be an excellent idea for you to be at the cafe, remove his cousin and let him find his own work and your partner can continue fixing computers and whatever else he needs to do for the upkeep of the shop. This cousin sounds like he just chats all day at the cafe and does nothing of any worth. It's not worth it to keep him around, when your more than willing to do it and it would save you money in the end.
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• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Yes I believe taht its not worth keeping him around. Because my partner and I are both here and we can manage to do things on our own. We could have save more that way. What I dont understand is why he let his cousin enjoy a lot at our expense. That really drive me nuts. I've been spending all my extra time for work to earn a little and I cant believe we are just wasting a lot for nothing.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
17 Nov 07
Also, I would really analyze the situation with your partner. You have to find a reason that your partner will find it necessary to remove "cousin" from the business and home. You know him best, so, really pay attention to what is going on. Most men don't like to be taken advantage of, you know that the cousin is just chatting online, eating your food and drink, raising your bills and so on, maybe this is an approach. Sometimes us ladies have to be a little discreet in our actions to get the job done.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
18 Nov 07
I don't honestly know why he is letting his cousin do these things either. Does he feel he owes his cousin something? I would really sit him down and ask him. Because you two can really do this by yourself without his help.
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• India
17 Nov 07
What job does your cousin do, actually? From what you have said, he simply wastes his time and money. I really cant understand why your partner dont get this? And what you have felt,is correct and it certainly takes off your electricity bills a lot. Also i get that your partner also stays at home. I am really confused how they manage to spend time like this. Do they have any other ideas of making large incomes or they planning for this? Do repeatedly tell your partner about this, until you get through.. Take care and have a good day friend.
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• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Yeah, my partner is the one making repairs for the computer, his cousin cant do that. So my partner is stick making time pass by all day or helping me with my chores. My partner could take care of the cafe if I have to do some chores and continue doing my online job. If only we could manage this business alone.
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• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Yes but why did my partner do not allow us to do this. Its as if that we are the one who would be ashame of his cousin.
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• India
17 Nov 07
And that's real solution for the problem. Take care and have a nice day.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
18 Nov 07
Hello lucky_witch,Thanks for your post.Your points are reasonable and justified but I think you should deal this matter with patience and intelligence and I think talking to his cousin straight might complicate the situation rather you have to try to convince your partner with patience with valid points and if your partner dont agree with you then I think at this stage you shouldnt try to convince continously cause your relationship with your partner might suffer .Deal the matter with patience using intelligence, Goodluck.
@humbleme (1004)
• India
18 Nov 07
why dont you make his cousin your online buisness partner/assistant?it will be help for you as well for the famaly?also I hope your partner will support you without any long strong arguments, and if his cousin still not interested then your partner himself will understand. You can try it I think it will be effective. Goodluck.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Thanks a lot with your very smart advice. I am just worried because if we continue this way, then how can we save money and send the kids to good school. What I earn from my online jobs should be our savings... but because of higher expenses... I am forced to use it for paying the bills and as support to the shortage that we have.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Actually his cousin is one of my referrals here. But he gets bored. He dont want to earn. He is young, only 18 years old. So i understand that he likes to chat more and dont have a lot of thinking for his future.
@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
17 Nov 07
I think you asking if you should be at the business you and your parnter have. And yes I think you should. I also think that your cousin should be giving you money towards the bills he is living there.
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
He is not giving anything. I really feel bad taht my partner doesn't do anything about it no matter how I talk to him. I know taht he understand my point but feel ashame of asking his cousin to leave. Well, Im not asking him to leave I just want to work in the server, if he dont want to leave fine! The reason he stays here is because he is free to chat all day.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
18 Nov 07
I think you are on dangerous grounds. His cousin is family... and you are not. Family comes first. If you want to be part of that family... you better be nice to the cousin and don't interfere in the relationship between your partner and his cousin. You want to get ride of the cousin out of selfishness. Is it really about the money? Or do you want your partner all for yourself? Not to have to share him with his cousin. Money is not important. Relationship is. If you try to get ride off the cousin... you will lose your partner. It is a decision for your partner to make... Not you...
• Australia
18 Nov 07
You are entitle to disagree... That's why God created the woman. laugh. But if you are not married to him... you are not family.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
then what i am? a friend? anyway, although we are not married, we're living in as husband and wife. That makes a difference. Theres a commitment in there. He can have his cousin here if he can shoulder the expenses of his cousin but he cannot, and he is depending on my help too.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
I beg to disagree. Then if Im not treated as his family, why am I staying with him after all? Am I the guess in here? Does it mean that to please them I should accept everything? I would have to spend my savings for his cousin leisure? Who is selfish then? Honestly I wont mind his relationship with his family... if they are close fine with me. The point is, there should always be a limit. If there is shortage with the money I am involve in making solutions.
• India
17 Nov 07
Lucky_witch i wish i was that 'cousin'! LOL naaaaaah i would get bored after sometime..... but no you are not asking much. It would make sense if you are using the server computer because that way you can do two things at a time. You can look after your cafe and do your online jobs as well...so i think you need another round of talk with every one involved....all the best and take care ;)
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Well, at first I wished the same... at least they would understand how it feels. Well, I believe that the next eound of talk would be the 1oth times and Im beginning to be tired of it. I hope there would be some ways that I can do so that he would understand that we really have to do it. Its getting harder everyday.
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• Canada
17 Nov 07
I believe that your partner already understands how his cousin is affecting your situation. Because it is his cousin, he feels like it is his fault, so when you bring up the topic he feels, to some extent, that you are blaming him for your troubles. Of course this is not the case. As a woman your first inclination is to discuss this and come up with a solution. I think a better approach would be to TAKE CHARGE and delegate some work. Tell the cousin that he is not needed in the cafe and his time would be much better spent doing the chores at home and assisting your partner with the repairs (this way the cousin can learn some much needed life skills and possibly a few things from your partner as well, while at the same time making a contribution to the household and freeing up some of your time to do more work on the computer). If you feel the need to ask your partner before doing this, then I would suggest doing it in an assertive way. Don't make it an option for him to say no. For example tell him that you would like to try things differently for a week or two and if at the end of that time your partner feels that things aren't going well, you would be happy to try another approach. At least then you will be running the cafe while he takes time to think of something else, should he want to. Also this will put the cousin in direct contact with your partner for a majority of the day, which will quickly wear on your partner if the cousin is being anything less than helpful. Ever heard that saying "out of sight, out of mind" As long as the cousin is hanging around in the cafe chatting on the net, your partner doesn't have to think of the impact he has on your lives. As long as the cousin is having such a good time, he isn't going anywhere and nothing will change. Put him to work and watch how quickly he is motivated to do something else. After all why would he want to wash dishes for three if he can live alone and wash dishes for one. You will have to be the one who tells the cousin of his new duties. Treat it as a business decision. It is a financially sound decision that will positively affect your business. It just makes good fiscal sense to put the workers where they are most needed and to capitalize on their skills. And cut your losses as well. If you take charge in this situation and it proves to be a good decision (which it will) your partner will have a new respect for you as well and won't second geuss you in the future when you have things to say about your business and your life together.
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
I really want to do that. To approach his cousin and tell him the situation. But I do not want to do the move taht my husband should be doing. I believe taht his cousin would take it against me as well as their family. So I believe that it is better if my partner would do that. He could explain it well to him and his family.
• Canada
18 Nov 07
I disagree. I think it is just as much your place to speak up to his cousin. You are living in a marriage like situation and these days that is just as good as being married. You share the bills, the home, the business and many other things, I am sure, so why not share the family. That cousin is your cousin just as much as your partner is your family. I think your partner lacks the confidence to speak up and let your cousin know how your finances are suffering. I have been married for over 8 years and I know that is not a long time but I have learned that there are some things that my husband does not want to do and some things that I do not want to do. We complement each other by doing things that the other does not want to do or does not do well. I think an important thing to do would be to draw the line between your business and your home life. You have some say as to what happens in your business. You also have some say as to what takes place in your home. Look at it like this, at home you have a relative staying with you because you want to help him out. He hasn't got money to pay and you don't know how long he plans to stay there. I wouldn't hesitate to tell one of my husband's family to help out or get out. And any respectful person would not hold it against you to expect them to do something, ANYTHING, to contribute to the household. If this starts a fued, then so be it. You have the right to demand respect in your own home. And mooching off of you is NOT respecting you. At work you have an employee who does not do work. Instead he takes advantage of the resources there. In every sense he is stealing from the company. If this were a regular employee, you would have just cause to terminate him. But because he is your family, you will let him walk all over you and steal from you. Don't let him do this. If he is employed at the cafe to pay for staying with you, then clearly set rules that you would with any employee. Employees should not appear as though they are a customer nor should it seem as though they own the place. Employees clean up, wash windows, organize things, sweep or vaccuum, If there isn't enough work to need someone to do those things all day, then that is just one more free service that you are offering him. Remember you are helping him out, not the other way around. If you say something it might cause an argument, but if you say nothing then it is sure to cause a war.
• Canada
18 Nov 07
You mention that your partner could explain it to his cousin and his family. Why doesn't anyone else take this moocher in? They probably can't afford him either. Why should you two have to foot the bill? Certainly there is someone who is better suited to have a lump in their house than you and your partner.
• Canada
18 Nov 07
I still think that if the cousin were doing the dishes and the laundry and the cooking and the cleaning cinderella, cinderella, oops...as I was saying lucky witch would have more time to earn money online and everyone would be better off.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
He was not doing anything like that. He dont wash his own dish and expect me to laundry his beddings for him. And I am expected to do the work at the same time.
• Canada
18 Nov 07
Stop doing anything for him! Make him look after his own. He lied to his mother and blamed his dropping out on you two! This kid is a real brat. You should tell his mother what he really does with his time, and inform her that you don't need him there you are only giving him a place to lie his head. Sounds like this cousin is taking everyone for a ride! Oh Boy! I can't believe this kid. I'm surprised you haven't kicked his behind yet. It's what he needs. A scholar!!! Someone needs to give his head a shake! If I were you I would be very, very angry right now and I would make a point of exposing this little brat for the liar and moocher that he is. Especially to his mother. Obviously he doesn't want her to know the truth about his behavior, that can hold a lot of weight over his head.
@jean0827 (306)
• Malaysia
18 Nov 07
well, why do you need his cousin as both of you (the owner of the cafe) are all day free at home? I think you really need to discuss this problem seriously with your partner. He will understand if you get him all the points.. You are doing this for everybody good.. His cousin should get a serious job than just sitting there chatting and eating your food..
@jean0827 (306)
• Malaysia
18 Nov 07
You can't do anything if he do not want to take you advises. But you should try to mention that you're one of the bosses of that cafe too, and you have the rights to do something good for earning profits? (I think this do not work on your case, because it maybe will make your relationship become worse..It's just a suggestion~)
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
I have made my point lay down clearly... but still nothing happens. He's not making any moves.
@bing_r77 (237)
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Nope, you are not asking too much. You own the cafe and you have all the rigths in it. You can do anything you want because you're part of the owner. It is better that you have a hands-on in your busines than you let others manage it. Regarding your partner's cousin, you may talk to him and ask if you could use the server because you have work to do in there. I knowm he cannot say no to you and he will understant. just talk to him in a nice way. and before doing it, talk to your partner about it.
• Philippines
17 Nov 07
Well, I have found out that he was telling his chat mates that he owns the computer. But I dont mind it... I dont want to talk to him directly, I want my partner to do that, since he is the cousin. One thing more its a little bit disappointing that I do all that I can to earn while he chats and eat.
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• United States
18 Nov 07
My first advice would be to try to talk to your husband/partner again about this cousin..and ask if he realizes all that this cousin is doing is chatting on line all day.. Does your husband realize this? I think your cousin is taking advantage of both of you.. I feel bad for you and suggest try talking about your feelings again with your partner.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
well, i suppose he knows. He is here the whole day and he sees the daily income and how things are going the whole day. He just dont want to do anything. I have talked to him a lot of times and still nothing happens.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
18 Nov 07
Do I understand that your cousin is living with you & your partner for free? Does he not contribute to food, electricity,water, etc? And then he doesn't allow you to run, or at least use the servers in the internet cafe? This is very unfair. It makes economic sense that not only should you be using the internet in the cafe, but you should be running it to. I guess your partner is reluctant to upset his cousin. Talk to your partner again, presenting your financial situation. If he is still not convinced, then wait until the monthly bills arrive, & if there is not enough money, then this is yoyr chance to present your case again, to BOTH your cousin & partner.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Its his cousin not mine. Yes, if he still wont listen to me then I will find ways to make him understand or at least make him do things that will make his cousin understand what things he need to do. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@chaime (1152)
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
hi, my husband and I also run a computer shop from our home and we do the looking after of the shop ourselves, we used to have someone to take care of it but like you, the shop is small and doesn't need the added expense, so we take care of the shop ourselves and we are even able to make more since we cut down on the electricity and the 'kupit'. I don't think you are asking too much, try to talk to your partner and let him see reason. And if you are able, set your foot down on what you want. Keep an open communication line and try to set a compromise where you can both be happy at the outcome. Maybe your partner is pitying his cousin and doesnt' want to boot him out, maybe you don't need to boot out his cousin for the time being, just let him run some errands or such around the house and you can take care of the shop while doing your online things. The best you can really do is talk to your partner about it, talk about alternatives, the pros, the cons and the like and come to an agreement on what is the right thing to do, for both you and your partner.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Well, the only thing taht his cousin has been doing here is sit in front of the computer. He doesnt wash his plates or do the laundry. He bring his clothes home, and let his mother wash it for him. He dont wash his own beddings and expect me to do it for him. Yeah, its still better if we are the one handling our internet cafe.
@nancyrowina (3850)
18 Nov 07
I think you are right and should and keep talking to your partner about this as it is the most logical solution. Why does your husbands cousin live with you doesn't he have anywhere else? If he's not even trying to earn money online and is just chatting all day I'd just walk in the cafe one day and say "Hi (insert cousins name) I just need to do something on the server for a couple of hours now" and what can he say? At least make him share the server with you even if your husband won't take over the cafe completely from him.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Wow! That is a very good approach... I think I can do that if ever my partner really does nothing. Thank you for that idea. I can make use of that.
@lynboobsy11 (11343)
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
I understand your point me too If I were in your place I would love to run my own business rather with someone and only be in my house. To avoid the stress between you and your partner don't insist what you want just let him do what he wants to his cousin but If you can ask him that you want to be in the shop also, just to show him you really interested to run your own business even his cousin are also there. Someday he will realize that his cousin are no longer needed coz you can run it well enough even without the help of others. One thing you can supervise his cousin of whats he's doing when the computer is not in used you can told her that your cutting expenses but say it in a nice way not to hurt her feelings.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Well I guess i have no choice but to live with it as of now. But I think they should start paying for themselves. I cant waste my time waiting when will he realize my point. I feel really down.
@laurika (4532)
• United States
18 Nov 07
You said it is you businees together, so I would try to talk to your partner one more time and if he doesn't want to talk you his cousin I would. i think you should come to him and tell him what is going on, you don't have just money for another guy having there and also I don't see what kinda a work he is doing? why are you paying the food and all the expenses for him? Just for chatting on the internet? Ridiculos.
• Philippines
18 Nov 07
Exactly! I do not get why we have to shoulder everything the fact that the only thing he's doing is chat and for his own fun!