if more people were educated about abortion, would more people be pro-life?

@vera5d (4012)
United States
December 18, 2007 10:39am CST
my husband and i were talking about abortion. he was trying to convince me its okay until 3 months and women should have a choice, based on everything he always heard i am very adamantly against abortion...so quickly explained to him that a baby has pain sensors far before that...that a baby is already developed by the time a woman finds out she is even pregnant...i started showing him development pictures/stages and also those awful abortion pictures no one wants to see... after awhile he started to see how abortion is murder...it may be because we have a 3 month old that he really saw it... people hate to talk about abortion. and i know its because they want to avoid those pictures/the harsh reality or don't really believe what happens in the creation of life....do you think if more people were aware of the truth and not slanted by politics would more people be pro-life? Or would they still think its okay for a mother to kill her children because it is inconvenient for her? I am not trying to make pro-choice people mad, i would just like to prevent as many people as possible from murdering innocent life, that's all...if educating people about it more would help, i would like to do that. Here is website on the national right to life website for info: www.nrlc.org
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11 responses
• United States
18 Dec 07
Pro-life propaganda is not medical fact. Fetuses are NOT developed by the time you find out you're pregnant. That's a physiological impossibility. The only medical discovery that's been made in the last ten years was that *maybe* some fetuses start to have rudimentary sensations at 8-10 weeks, instead of 10-12. I suggest you look at some factual obstetric medical text. Not agenda propaganda.
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@vera5d (4012)
• United States
19 Dec 07
Even at 8-10 weeks, it is obvious that a baby has been formed...it is not just a cell, like cancer...it has feet and a head and the brain stem is forming My research is not from propaganda...and i think that is the point of my post is that most people do base their opinion, discomfort of dealing with the subject, and apathy based on propaganda. I am not one of those political wackos...just someone who respects life...i appreciate your response...thank you!
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• United States
19 Dec 07
Actualy, it's not obvious. It has a rudimentarily human form, but it's only 1/8th of an inch long. The brain stem is only *barely* begining to form at 8 weeks, actually I second guessed myself. Neurons don't begin to multiply or give rudimentary functionality until week 10-12, when it used to be thought that it didn't start until the 16-18 weeks. It is physiologically impossible for it to develop any quicker than that. I think that people don't know about about abortion either becuase they want to avoid the controversy altogether, or they believe the propaganda agendas of misinformation, appeals to emotion and religious beliefs. Unfortunately your research does actually come from an agenda-centered website, the Right to Life group is notoriously known for their blatent misinformation, totalitarian belifs and propaganda. I suggest researching real medical text. Here's a link to the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112
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• United States
19 Dec 07
".it has feet and a head and the brain stem is forming " Not at 8-10 weeks it doesn't. In some cases, it still looks like a tadpole with leg buds. You need to do some research. According to www.pregnancy.com and JAMA "The fingers and toes have appeared but are webbed and short "
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• United States
19 Dec 07
I am educated. I know how it's done. I also know that the zygote or ZEF during the first few weeks of pregnancy does not feel pain. There is no ripping of limbs, blowing up of brains or sucking out of body parts as there are none. So in my opinion, no. The more educated you are, such as I am, the more I am pro-choice. Women are not two legged imcubators put on this earth to provide needy infertile bigots a white day old infant when there are millions of kids already in the system all over the world. My sister has two kids: a 3 year old and a 4 month old and she is pro-choice. I saw what she went through with her pregnancies and she wouldn't wish that on anywone who wouldn't want to be pregnant. It's a sacrifice and some pregnancies are not walks in the parks or rose smelling events. My sister's two pregnancies were hard. My brother's wife was bed ridden for the last 4 weeks of her pregnancy. She could get up to pee, shower and poo and other than that, she was flat on her back watching TV.
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@vera5d (4012)
• United States
28 Dec 07
I see what you are saying perhaps...pregnancy is not pleasant by any means...but i had an ultra sound at 12 weeks with my daughter...she had legs, she had arms, she had a head and a face...there are people who wait that long to have an abortion...sometimes even longer... $ those first two or three weeks where the baby is "nothing" most people don't even know they are pregnant... i think too it bothers me people do not accept the responsibility of their actions...i highly doubt people want anyone to be pro-life because they want to adopt a kid of a certain gender or race...
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• United States
28 Dec 07
What irks me is that people do not see that abortion *is* taking responsibility. I'd take responsibility by having an abortion. I know I'd never have time for a child and I'm far too selfish to give up things I love to mae the time. Any child born to me would live a horrible life and I'm too unselfish to make a child go through that. I'm also too selfish to give up my job I love to gestate a pregnancy for a year so that'd never work. Abortion is taking responsibility when you know you can't or won't do what is necessary to continue a pregnancy.
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@Latrivia (2890)
• United States
28 Dec 07
Actually, I believe that it doesn't matter how much you know about abortion. Some people could know quite a lot about it and still be pro-choice or pro-life simply because of their personal morality. However, you have some of your facts wrong. Most researchers tend to agree that, even though the pain sensors may be present earlier in pregnancy, the actual ability to feel pain is not until sometime after 20 weeks of gestation. Also, women find out they're pregnant at different times. Assuming she finds out on her first missed period, the baby is still in development. It's only been 30 days, at least. The heart has only just started beating, and it still looks like a tadpole. It's a far cry from being "developed". Be careful about some of those abortion pictures, too. A lot of them are fakes, or are abortions from later stages that were falsely labeled as abortions in earlier stages. Your sources of information are not at all what I would call reliable. National Right to Life has an agenda to push, and will therefore only use what "research" they can find to better support their views instead of showing studies they may even contradict them. Places like nrlc.org and abortionfacts.com are pro-life sites, and will only tell you things that you, as a pro-life advocate, want to hear. Pro-choice sites sing a much different tune and you'll find that sites from independent researchers will as well. I can't honestly say whether or not being more educated about abortion influences one's beliefs about it. The more I learned about abortion and human pregnancy, the more pro-choice I became - but that's just me.
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@vera5d (4012)
• United States
28 Dec 07
i think sadly it is over sensationalized on both sides... everyone will always find the medical journal that supports their side or belief... so few fail to realize what a miracle the creation of life really is...how can you say something with a heart beat is not alive? Would you be alive if your heart STOPPED beating? as posted earlier, i had a sonogram at 12 weeks with my daughter...she had heads, arms, legs, face...bouncing around like a little skeleton on the screen... i would think that if something can move, it can feel...
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• United States
28 Dec 07
"that if something can move, it can feel... " Bacteria moves. Sperm moves. Germs move. A blade of grass moves. A tree moves. Water moves. Sand moves. Gravel moves. Lots of things "move" but don't feel. Bacteria, sperm and germs are considered "alive" in the scientific sense but do not feel.
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@Latrivia (2890)
• United States
28 Dec 07
Oops, the second sentence should read "An organism without nerves has the ability to move."
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@lucgeta (925)
• France
19 Dec 07
Appreciate all the medical discussion and interested facts, I speak for those that ain't doctors. I am against abortion and favorable to give people the right to decide what is best for their lives. Don't think showing 'ugly' pictures would do any good, maybe only make them feel more guilty. I was born in Brazil and we do have hundreds maybe thousands of kids in the streets every day selling gum or just asking for money, usually for an adult to pocket it. Some of them are sons and daughters of other kids that live on the streets. Don't get me wrong, hope they are very happy as persons and family, but it is wise to have a baby when you are living in the streets along with your partner? Abortion is not allowed there so in the last few months we have many cases of newly born babies found in trash cans, swage and other places. Again, abortion is not good, it just might be wise in some cases. It is not up to me to decide.
@drannhh (15002)
• United States
20 Dec 07
I cannot imagine anyone expressing this better. I agree with you 100% and wish I had said that! ^_^
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@vera5d (4012)
• United States
20 Dec 07
I think that parents if they want more for their children can get it...i had 2 kids out of wedlock...maybe not the best of decisions...but they are both happy and healthy. being a single mom isn't easy by any means...but if you work hard, you get results.
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@drannhh (15002)
• United States
18 Dec 07
I think there is politics on both sides, but that the real problem is the casual attitude people have toward s*x. It is a word that we cannot even post here to tell children "Don't do it!" yet it is pictured everywhere. If people around the world were as preoccupied with getting an education as they are with thinking about and having s*x, there would be less need for choices concerning abortion or the other unnatural alternatives...like giving a precious child away or raising a beautiful baby in squalor and neglect. There are many harsh realities that could and should be avoided and I agree that abortion is one of them. But I don't agree that we preserve life by taking away a woman's right to choose for herself. Once we lose the right to choose, it could so easily swing the other way. What if the men said we HAD to have abortions? This is why I still say it must be a woman's choice. I would just hope the women would exercise that choice by choosing not to get pregnant until they are ready to properly care for an infant. Congratulations on your wonderful 3 year old who obviously has a mother and father who are intelligent and thoughtful and love being a family.
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• United States
20 Dec 07
Nah, you don't have to be tocophobic, but I've noticed it's a rising trend of this generation. I also think that the severe and vehement decision to not have kids can make you develop tocophobia.
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@Ravenladyj (22992)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I guess my first question is "what pictures?" and my second question is "who's truth?".. I've seen many so called abortion pics and they dont upset me at all..because I know that many are NOT standard abortion pics for starters, secondly alot of these so called abortion pics are labeled falsely (for example a 5 month aborted fetus being labeled as 11 weeks gestation) and they are used to try and intimidate ppl into becoming ProLife...I KNOW the truth about pregnancy AND abortion...I've HAD an abortion and dont regret it at all...there is NOTHING in this world that would make me change my stand BACK to Pro Life (I once was very much PL)...IMO and experience its not murder at all and in fact there are some instances where NOT aborting would be considered more murderous.... I also have to say that as much as I think what I read of the website you shared is well done rather than rude and attempting to intimidate etc...I have to HIGHLY disagree with this statement found on their "Take Time to Get the Facts" page "Nine short months of pregnancy is a relatively small cost to pay in light of a lifetime of potential physical and mental health problems" Yes in some cases, the minority I must add, that may be the case HOWEVER in MANY (though not the majority either) cases its just the opposite and those supposed 'nine short months' can be a long, extremely damaging ride of pure hell....
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@lightningMD (5937)
• United States
18 Dec 07
I myself do not believe in abortion unless it is for a medical reason or a case of incest. I believe life starts at conception.
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@Springlady (4011)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Abortion is murder. You are killing a human life. It is a life created by God and He loves that baby. He has a plan for every single life...born and unborn. We do not have the right to deny an unborn child the right to life. God bless.
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• United States
7 Jan 08
If god loves the "baby" so much then he can have it back. Though, if you can handle it, I have a logistical question for you. If he has a plan for every person and every pregnancy, then wouldn't it reason that he knew she would get an abortion in the first place and it's actually a part of said plan?
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• United States
7 Jan 08
Yes He does have a plan for every one of us. But we sin and abortion is murder...sin. Many times when we sin, others get hurt also. In this case, the unborn child. God bless.
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@aries_0325 (3062)
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
Thanks for your wonderful view about abortion and like you I am a pro life and I am against an abortion. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.
@anniepa (27159)
• United States
12 Jan 08
This is one of those issues where many of us will have to learn to agree to disagree. Having people visit the propaganda website putout by the National Right to Life Committee isn't going to help if they're in a situation where they feel exercising their legal right to choose is their best option. I lost a baby at the age of six months years ago and was devastated; I love my daughter with every thread of my being and I was there for the births of both of my grandkids who are my prides and joy. Nobody could ever tell me I don't care about babies or children. Taking away a woman's right to choose would result in going back to the days of back alley quacks and "do-it-yourself" abortions which would kill and permanently damage countless young women and teenage girls. Late term abortion is a whole different issue; a fetus in the first trimester does not feel pain or have thoughts. It's not a pleasant choice to make but abortion should remain safe, legal and rare. For anyone who feels he or she would like to change the mind of a woman about to have an abortion I'd like to issue this challenge: If it's that important to you, would you then be willing to take on all the physical and financial responsibilities of the pregnant woman or girl during her pregnancy and recovery after childbirth, pay her medical expenses and those of the baby and then either adopt the baby or handle the arrangements for adoption to a suitable family. This would have to include compensating the mother for any wages she lost during the pregnancy and any she may lose for having taken time off from her job, as in a lost promotion, etc. I know it's not your responsibility or your business to do any of this; that's my point! Annie
@eden32 (3978)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I've pretty much been pro-choice for as long as I was able to have an opinion about it at all. As I became older, more aware of biology, understood more about pregnancy etc I became firmer in my pro-choice stance. And being a parent absolutely cemented my belief that parenting is something to only be entered into by choice. Being a parent is a wonderful and amazing experience, but it's also a challenge unlike any other. Every child has the right to be born to parents who love, cherish, treasure and value them; if a woman is not ready or able to make that commitment to a child the right thing to do is to end that pregnancy before there is a child. A pregnancy ended in the first trimester is not viable and does not possess characteristics of life. It is not a person,life, etc yet.