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Cain and Abel - the origional murder!!
United States
December 25, 2007 3:31pm CST
Hi everyone here I am again to hopefully accomplish some though provoking discussion. In the beginning was Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve bore Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and as a result he was ostracized Being cut off from the face of God Cain feared for his life from others so God placed a mark upon Cain so that no one would kill him. Cain departed and found a wife and Cain and his wife they bore Enoch. This is just a recap of the story given in the Bible and I will supply verses for the questions I have about it. First: Genesis 4:14”Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.” Who was Cain worried about if Adam, Eve, Abel and himself were the only ones on the face of the Earth? Bible spoke of no others. Second: Genesis4:16-17”And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.” Who was Cain’s wife if Adam, Eve, Abel and himself were the only ones on the face of the Earth? Bible spoke of no others. Here is a couple questions that I am looking for answers for and as a result I am posting here to get some opinions and possibly facts on the matter! Thank you for taking the time to read this and for replying. HAVE A GREAT DAY & HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!
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@suspenseful (40326)
• Canada
26 Dec 07
Adam and Eve were perfect and had no genetic abnormalities and original sin took time to develop these, therefore until the time of Moses when the law against incest was passed, one could marry one's half sister or half brother and before that one's own family member. Adam and Eve had other children, and Cain married his sister. Girls were usually not mentioned as they were not considered important enough. When the Flood came, all but eight people were wiped out, making the chance of genetic abnormalities easier to develop, so it was only a few generations later that the closest one could marry was a first cousin.
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@cyntrow (8527)
• United States
31 Dec 07
His mother was his wife and he feared his father for retribution. Adam was jealous. Of course all of this is speculation, as is all of the Bible.
@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
1 Jan 08
His mother was his wife? This is the first time I have heard this theory, I know Nimrod maried his mother but wow I never heard this speculation. Let me ask one more question, Cain had a child, and named hime enoch and built a city named after his son. If it was only him is Mother/wife, why build a city for three?
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• United States
1 Jan 08
It seems like there has been some dialog here that needs some input although I do not know exactly what to input. So I will just jump right in. Wow I guess it is a good thing that I decided to answer from the bottom down this time as I would have missed this from your other comment cyntrow. So are you saying that Cain’s actual mom was/is Lilith?!? Or was that a change as it is all speculative anyways? I was just wondering as the idea of Lilith being Cain’s mother would explain why he and Abel were as different as night and day. I am with SEO as this is the first time that I have heard about Cain marrying his mother unless you are speaking as Lilith as his Mother since I have heard the Lilith theory before. As for the rest of this dialog it seems that all has been said that needs to be said. Thank you for the responses and for the dialog. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! *****HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!*****
@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
1 Jan 08
I have a new discussion for you, Are you smarter than a 6000 B.C.E man?
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• United States
1 Jan 08
So what is the precepts of this new discussion? I am certain that I am smarter in some areas than a 6000BCE man. But in other areas I am certain that I will lack severly since if I were smarter than a 6000BCE man than that would make me as smart as Adam and in that sense I would have the definative/ non speculative answer to this discussion. *****HAPPY NEW YEAR!!*****
@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
2 Jan 08
Well the pretext of this is ofcourse that moderen man believes the anciants to be a bunch of noneducated bafoons. They had very complex calanders, had a working understanding of the solor sytem, stars and the persessions through the great year of the constalations. Were able to build megalithic timples and observatories, with 100 ton cut rocks that fit perfectly inplace. Had advanced mathmatics, law and litariture. So how would we stack up to the educated of the time of even Moses?
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@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I'm sorry, I never ment to imply you were one of these people who think this. I am talking in general. Most people today do not have the education Moses had let alone the Sumerians, chaldians and babylonians.
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@cyntrow (8527)
• United States
1 Jan 08
I LOVE this discussion and I love all the responses. But all of the responses and the discussion itself can only lead to one single conclusion. NO ONE KNOWS. It's subjective, like everything else in the bible; open to interpretation. We have to think outside the box which is hard for some people. Personally, I have always believed that the earth was populated by incest. But, since Eve was not in fact, the first woman, it is possible that Cain hooked up with Lilith and produced the other branch of the family tree. But then the sisters and brothers would have had to copulate in order to further branch out.
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@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
5 Jan 08
The version you were told was the Jewish traditional, The Sumarian version she was a demon of the wind.
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@cyntrow (8527)
• United States
5 Jan 08
Oh, I know. And the Christian church doesn't recognize her at all.
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@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
28 Dec 07
There are multiple interpretations among many more interpretations on this. One obvious one is possible inbreeding, which may or may not have had any dire consequences for offspring and the descended progeny (of course this could still be left to interpretation, maybe man is limited not just due to the events of expulsion but also the inbreeding). Another interpretation is that more of man was created by God in the interim, not being mentioned clearly in said texts. Other humans may have been around during the time (and one could get into Adam, Eve and Cain compared to other "nameless humans, perhaps ones that were created or evolved through process - again, open to interpretation and analysis). There is also the interpretation that the bible shouldn't be taken word for word literally but as a layout or general guide. Conflicting accounts and statements can be found in religious text but this is also based on who is interpreting the scripts. Also note that mortals (imperfect people) wrote religious texts people live by, analyze, interpret, or reject today. The writers and initial interpreters could have easily gotten the stories wrong and forgot certain parts as it passed through generations. One could use an oral to text basic or extended argument as a comparison/example. I do not have answers here, only theories and interpretation, same as other responders here.
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• United States
29 Dec 07
Very good answer! I see that you have the same outlook about this as I do on this subject. This is a matter that is entirely up to interpretation and belief. As I said earlier in this discussion, I could try to convince you all day that Red is Red but if you want to believe that Red is actually Blue then that is what you are going to believe as everything is subjective. This is the way of this world and as such it will probably be this way until the end of time and that is great as that is what makes us human is all of our individuality. So no matter what evidence a person can show on ANY subject you believe it for one if not both of two reasons. #1- You have “Blind Faith” as a lamb led to slaughter or #2- You have researched and it has became true to you. Thank you for the great answer and HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
• India
26 Dec 07
Is it possible that the person who wrote Bible was unaware of the existence of civilisations? Bible speaks about christianity & Hinduism, as per their literature is considered one of the oldest religions. Is it not possible that a liasion happened.. I know its weird proposition but thats how research takes a shape!! I think as somebody said, God must have created other humans as well however they may not have been given importance in the biblical literature. Anyways, I think these were interesting questions & the answers are equally intriguing.
• United States
26 Dec 07
Great answer and wonderful concept. It is entirely possible and very probable. See people fail to realize that the God of the Old Testament YHVH was one of the RACE GODS and as such and the Bible being his word, it would be about HIS PEOPLE which were the Israelites. All through the Old Testament was stories about Israelites, Hebrew, etc. This was to show the history of YHVH’s people and their struggles. The argument that the Bible is for all people is a false argument until you get to the New Testament as that was the reason of the Savior. The Savior came to unite the world that till that point was divided by the Race Gods. But I will get into this further at a later point but I just wanted to let you know that you do not have faulty thinking. Thank you for the response and HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!
@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
27 Dec 07
Sorry but the Torah was and is for all people. And the G'd of Israel is the same G'd that the christians believe in. The Jews were the first people to master Monotheism. Prior to that no peoples had been able to stick to G'd before. They always slid back into paganism. Since then only Judaism and Islam have been able to stick to Monotheism. Every other religion has had to stick someone or somthing in front of the one true G'd in order to handle the Awesome Majesty of G'd.
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• United States
28 Dec 07
If the Torah was for all people then why would it be said: Deuteronomy 23:3 “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever” Sounds like a God for all people to me?!? Sorry that was sarcasm! No offence intended. Ezra 5:1 “Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the GOD OF ISRAEL, even unto them.” Ezra 6:14 “And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the GOD OF ISRAEL, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia” Then in Romans 3:29 That this was a widely accepted fact as: “Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also” How is he the God of The Gentiles also Romans 3:30 tells us: “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” With this knowledge comes the statement from Romans 3:31: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” When the Savior came he fulfilled the law as according to law you were either a Jew (God’s People) or you were a Gentile (Not one of God’s People). Thus the God of the Old Testament (Torah) was THE GOD OF ISRAEL not the Gentiles, but it is the Faith (from the Savior) that justifies non-Israelites/Gentiles into the fold of the Almighty. With this understanding you cannot deny that OT was for Israel not for Gentile until the Savior came and justified all into the fold by a “Spirit of Adoption”. As for the statement that it is the same God. You are absolutely right but it is by the justification of the Savior that God became the God of all as through the Savior there came the “Spirit of Adoption” that causes all by faith to cry out “Abba” As for the concept about Monotheism. With the name of Adoniah and the Jewish Shalom that you say it would seem that you would also know about Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..” Us and Our are both plural as is Elohim which in this case and several others places in the Bible/Torah is translated as God. So the true rendering of this would be “And THE GODS ’Elohim’ said, let US make man in OUR image, and after OUR likeness ..” So with this being towards monotheism would be a joke as the monotheism actually came from interpretation. Even with this TRANSLATED MONOTHEISM comes the flaw of the TRANSLATED MULTITHEISM of FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT, the THREE IN ONE GOD or HOLY TRINITY. Well I have pattered on enough with this matter and I eagerly await your reply. Thank you for your continued dialog as it is very enlightening. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
@irishidid (8524)
• United States
26 Dec 07
He married his sister. End of discussion. :)
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• United States
26 Dec 07
Why would this be the end of the discussion? That is a theory of your's and you have not even backed up the theory. There have been several that have responded here that have gave very good evidence to their standing on this issue, so where is your's? Do you simply believe what your clergy tells you to believe? Do you simply believe what others have told you is truth? Or did you study and meditate on this issue and this is your EDUCATED OPINION? If this is something that you have just been told, where is the great gift from the Father that all were given called, FREE WILL. If you simply believe what you are told then you are a lamb being lead to slaughter, as they can tell you anything and you will believe it. Sorry about the bluntness here. If this is something you have LEARNED then please enlighten me so that I may know the truth as well, since is not it the injunction of god to enlighten the ignorant masses? So please give me some proof of your standing on this issue and I eagerly await your reply! Thank you for responding and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
@irishidid (8524)
• United States
26 Dec 07
Well I meant that as a joke which is why I put the smile on the end. Prove it? I don't know that I can anymore than those who claim there was more than one adam and eve created or any other theory. So much has been added and subtracted how do we know what's what. People claim they can prove the age of the earth based on the begats. It can't be proven but they still believe it to be so. I don't listen to clergy btw.
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@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
26 Dec 07
Thanks for the free will issue dear "mee"! That is left out in so many discussions because people seem to be terrified that it is true. I do not think that they want to ever take responsibility for their actions which is what free will requires them to do!! I have enjoyed your posting immensely and have more I would like to add, but I have a meeting that I am going to be late for. I will return!
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@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
26 Dec 07
If you read your really ancient history, you will find that the story of Adam and Eve did not originate with the writers of the Bible. Rather it was an ancient pagan story probably of Babylonian origion or maybe even earlier. Its not a christian story. It is part of the Torah which is a historical record of a people struggling with their transition from paganism to Monotheism. It is very unlikely that when mankind evolved into the first true "human" that there was just one man and one woman, an Adam and an Eve. There were most likely many "first humans". So Cain did not marry his sister. You cannot have it both ways. Either you believe in evolution and the world is millions of years old and mankind took awhile to evolve to what he is today and at some point G'd said ok your done and the soul was allowed to take shape within to differentiate us from the other animals. Or, the world is only a few thousand years old as the Bible seems to say and there was only Adam and Eve and Cain married his sister. Unfortunately, science has more than proved otherwise so all the ostriches need to take their heads out of the sand and accept the Bible for what it is: a history of the Jews growing from paganism to Monotheism.
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@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
26 Dec 07
Okay let me ask you something, as you pointed out the story did not origenate with the writers of the bible, then why do they use the story to make generational links to the tribes of Isriel, and the jewish writers of the new testimate also sited this book. Secondly as you hypothosise the oragin is probably babylonian or some older civelization,(actualy the oldest Sumerian) so why would the hebrews #1 have this story and #2 why would they pass this story on? Who were the hebrews befor they were hebrews and from where did they come? answer these questions and you will know why they kept this story and the signifacance of the story and understanding the keywords of this text will bring you to ask even harder questions, peace.
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• United States
26 Dec 07
All right here we go I am going to try to answer these questions posed here in succession. Let me know if I get something wrong as correction is a big part in learning and learning is something that I enjoy. Adoniah, you speak about the older than biblical texts. I am completely with you on this as if you read the Babylonian Talmud you would find a lot of similarities to the Old Testament. Also if you look into the Sumerian Text, the Vedas, Egyptian Hieroglyphs, etc… you find a striking parallel to the Judeo-Christian texts. But as all students learn, religions borrow from each other all of the time. I totally understand and respect the view about many first people. That is entirely possible. Well spoken and well read! As for you can only believe in one….. I am sorry as I for one believe in both CREATION AND EVOLUTION. I will not get into this in depth here as I would like to hear other ideas as I am trying to learn all that I can but if you wish add me and I will explain off of this forum. SEO, why hello my friend!! Well said and must await to see if there is an answer to come. I have read some of Adoniah’s other comments and I have faith in the abilities to answer. But I will stay tuned and see what comes of it! Thank both of you for the wonderful discussion and I look forward to continuing it. HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
26 Dec 07
I did not say that you can only believe in one way. I am sorry, I was trying to make that point. I do! believe in both evolution and creation. That is why I said that at some point G'd decided that a creature-Human-had reached the point where he needed or had earned a soul and became what we are today-Human. By the way the Babylonian Talmud has nothing to do with the ancient Babylonians. The Talmud is much more recent than that. It is the oral tradition of the Jews that was finally written down. It is considered the continuation of the Torah. It is not pagan, it is Jewish and very important to the Orthodox and Hasidim! There are actually a couple of versions of the Talmud but they are similar enough that there is very little disent over them. Shalom
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• United States
29 Dec 07
Hi meeandnotyou, Cain and Abel and Adam and Eve weren't the only people on the face of this earth. They were the ones who had received 'the breath of life' or rather, the ones whom God saw as His. We know that people have existed on this earth generations before the writings of the history in the Bible. We know through examination that man, in some form or another has roamed the face of the earth for billions of years. The age of the Bible and those times only goes back a small percentage of those years. (There is an explaination for that too). When God created Adam, He didn't create just one. He created "Them". The same as Eve. He called 'them' Eve. Symbolically, those whom recognized the existence of God and who He was. Cain married a woman from 'the east of Eden'. That says itself that other people existed. They just didn't live in Eden, where God had 'jurisdiction', so to speak. Adam and Eve were the first people that received 'the breath of God' and who were Holy. It's plain that other towns and cities as well as other people existed. They just didn't believe in 'God'. While that doesn't really answer the questions about who these people were, it kinda gives you an idea of what the Bible really says. It's all right there, but you have to take what you know as fact, which is a bit of science and add it to what the Bible says, continuing to go back and forth between scripture to see what it means. The dictionary helps too. For instance, Lucifer, the devil.....did you know that he (Lucifer) was God's most beloved angel. He was the most beautiful angel God made. But because when God made man, (He made the angels before He made man), God told the angels they were to minister unto man, Lucifer rebelled against God and told God there was no way he was going to bow down to man. Man should bow to him. God told Lucifer that because he would not obey Him, he was to cast from heaven to be where he could be King of the earth. Along with Lucifer, 1/3 of the angels in heaven, those who followed and worshipped Lucifer for his strength and beauty, would be cast out of heaven with him. Those 'bad' angels are among us, trying to keep us from the truth and will of God, and trying to lead us into damnation. It's all in the Bible. It's hard to see for many reasons. #1, If we aren't looking for it we will miss it. We can read a scripture a thousand times and get something different from it each time, depending on where we are at the time we read it. #2, Lucifer doesn't want us to understand it at all, therefore he confuses the Word and confuses our minds when we try to understand what the Word of God says. If you go back and read from beginning to end, verse for verse, over and over again, and look for key words, you will understand what I'm saying. You will see the words 'them' and other words that will take you on a whole new quest for understanding. Be prepared though. I'm sure you will end up with a thousand more questions as good as the ones you asked here.
• United States
1 Jan 08
terilee79720 I am so very sorry that it has taken so long to get to your reply, but I have been sick for the last couple of days. So here I am coming to answer your reply. Let me see if I got this right. Adam and Eve were cover all titles as opposed to actual names. And there were the Godly people whom the Bible mentions “Adam and Eve” and then there were the Ungodly that did not have a mention except for the cursory mention of Cain’s wife. So Cain went to the Ungodly people and found his wife and it was the Ungodly people he worried about as well as his Godly relatives. Hmmmm,,, You say to come to that we have to take the scriptures and science and combine them into a cohesive whole. I am correct on this? Oh hell I forgot the Dictionary helps as well. I am sorry if this sounds a little weird, maybe patronizing, as that is not its intention as I fully agree. When science and scripture come together it is a wonderful thing as it is God showing he is God by means of his creation. He has painted a wonderful work of art for all to enjoy even the Doubting Thomas among us. He gives us the scientific advancements to show his handiwork but instead of glorifying him we use it to try to disprove him. I am certain that upon subsequent rereading of the scriptures, you come out with more and more questions and at times you can actually come out with answers as well. The scripture is meant for all and it is our job to study it and rightly divide it. Free thinking is a wonderful thing when used with purpose. I have studied to search for the answer on one question and come out with 50 more. So I study to find the answers to those and find the answer I was originally looking for. As you said each rereading gives you more and more. I thank you for the wonderful answer and I look forward to reading more from you in the future. Have a great day! *****HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!*****
@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
5 Jan 08
Hey mee you need to re~read what terilee wrote. You missed the whole thing. He did not say a thing about science. I've noticed that when you do not understand something you very quickly just blow it off. What he wrote is kind of cool. I don't agree with it but it is still kind of a neat explanation of Genesis. You shouldn't be so rude! It is his interpretation and there is no science involved, but he does make some interesting points that I am going to check out in a christian translation. It may be there where it isn't in the hebrew.
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@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
5 Jan 08
Maybe you are talking of the tradition in Kabala that states Adm and Eve were created as one being, The "God created he them both male and female created he him", That Adam and Eve were one creation in the beginning and then were seperated from each other at the rib. Or the breath of God was a "gift " of the spirit of God? Adoniah, my hebrew is not that great, is the breth of life in this verse the same as the "Rauch Elohim"? Most everything in your analogie is not in the Bible, it is Jewish lore and parts taken from the kabala. Licifer (Samuel befor the fall, and Shatan after the fall) Was a beutifull creation, but most of what we know of him does not come from the canonized texts. About the refusel to be a minister to man, his phisical apperance. We do know from the bible that he lead a rebilion and with his tail drew a third part of the stars, do you realy know what this line is saying? I doo like your analagy and your veiws. But they are facts for you and not universal facts, as everyone can come to the same conclusions. And it is not only Satan that hides truth from us. But God himself will hide himself from us and truth from us. This is why the bible is writen the way it is. There is the plain text, the numerical text and then the dark text and the inlightened text, all in the same scriptures. Great points in your discussion.
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@barehugs (8992)
• Canada
26 Dec 07
There are a couple of things here, that must be considered if this is to be a relevant discussion. Remember that the bible was written thousands of years ago by men who never attended school. These Mythical Stories were handed down from generation to generation for hundreds of years before they were finally written down on a clay tablet. Some say, Well, yes!, but, this is God's word so its got to be true. Well Ok, if that's correct, why has God never given us an update? Am I wrong to expect an updated version? (Sure the Christian Church updates the bible every few years but those guys diddle little boys too) I'm talking GOD'S Word here. Is this to much to expect from the Guy who created us Humans in his own Likeness and Image? So My Point is, Lets get some Facts Straight, before we get too involved with the Nitty-Gritty. Seems to me this discussion is like banging your Head against the wall.Feels so good when you Stop!
• United States
26 Dec 07
Barehugs, Thank you very much for responding to this discussion. I really like this answer and wanted you to know that I do. So now we can get on with a response. This response of yours touches on a standing that I have had for a very long time and that is that the Bible is not exactly the WORD OF GOD as it has human origin. Was it inspired by God? Yes of course it was. Has it stood the test of time? Yes of course it has. Is it the Actual word of God?!? No, God did not actually guide the hand of the writer nor write it himself. The writers usually wrote in an aura of religious fervor and thus the inspiration of God. So is the Bible the Complete story of all humankind? No, it is a history of the tribes of Judah not the entire human race. Now as for the updates. What is to say that there has not been updates and these updates have been rejected the same as the Savior himself was and there is a devout few that do have updated story as they have accepted the updates the same as the Apostles did with Jesus/Yahshua? A lot of the religious people of the world are so staunch, just like the Jews of the Savior’s time, that if an update came it would be automatically dismissed as the works of the Devil. Thus the argument of updates would not be valid as it would have been rejected and possibly was, look at the Gnostics, Essenes, etc. Once again thank you for the response and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
• United States
27 Dec 07
I did know about the later authors and that the authors were the very few that were literate. This is something that I figured was well known and accepted, but I thought this reference, made by Bare hugs , was in comparison to the educational levels of today. In comparison to today they were almost illiterate. This is the reason I did not comment on this situation above. Back then if you knew how to read and write you were considered a scholar where as today if you do not know how to read and write by the age of 10 people think that you must have some form of retardation. Maybe I was presuming too much to assume this and should have corrected this above. I did not know about the destroying factor of a mistake. This truly is something new to me so thank you very much for the education. Now that I know this I will never forget it. I did however know that you could not use the Holy Name of God frivolously. This is the reason that the Divine Name was replaced by the Title GOD or the Tetragrammaton so that it will be remain hidden from the profane and to keep the Holy Name out of idle chatter and blasphemous speech. Thank you once again thank you for the reply and HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
27 Dec 07
You still don't get it do you? These people were not illiterate. They were in fact very literate. The Jews were used as scribes for the ruling classes wherever they went. They were not allowed to own land so they had to make a living doing things like writing, teaching and banking. Once the Torah was given to mankind each male Jew was required to make his own personal copy in his lifetime. Actually that is still supposed to be true today, but very few do it.
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@olaff123 (434)
• Namibia
25 Dec 07
That's a question I've been wondering about on and off since forever. Taking into consideration that incest was considered improper, we have to assume that there was others as well. But I cannot remember any clear evidence from the Bible to support this.
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• United States
25 Dec 07
Sometimes we have to look at other places to find the answers we need. I thank you for the response and look forward to seeing how this goes! MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
@cyntrow (8527)
• United States
4 Jan 08
From what I understand, Lot's daughters got him drunk and seduced him, believing they were the only people left on earth and concieved children with him. It is still incest. It's only the word that did not exist.
@maean_19 (4662)
• Philippines
26 Dec 07
Expand your mind and imagine. I am not a scripture expert though I graduated from an exclusive girl school founded by nuns - Holy Spirit Academy. Your question was, who is Cain's wife" Do not take the contents of the Bible literally. For its purpose is basicall an introduction how God created the world, that a supernatural being made us. The scripture made mention only Adam and Eve, however, I don't think they were the only one who were then living. One must think that Adam represents man and Eve as woman. Basically, the writer of the Bible is symbolic and possibility is God created many Adams and Eves, but the focus was pointed into only one Adam and one Eve. If the writer would tackle the lives of other Adams and Eves, there will be confusion and the real message in the scripture will be forgotten. Like a story, there has to be only one subject to avoid confusion, from that subject, expand it and make some twists out of it and at the end, there will only be one conclusion. Who is Cain's wife when he had only a brother Abel" You had mentioned that God made Cain a mark so that no one would kill him is an implication that there are other human beings on earth at those times. But the focus of Genesis is where the root of Jesus came from.
• United States
26 Dec 07
God Bless you for a GREAT answer! I love to hear from people like you as it seems as if you have an open mind. Thank you for the response and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
@calicot (256)
• Philippines
4 Jan 08
That's a new thought for me too. The bible was indeed a book written to give a specific beginning so a pivotal character through Adam and Eve. And everything written there is not chronologically detailed, meaning the days mentioned could be months or years. Also, it is not clear whether at the time Cain killed Abel, were they in an age of adolescence or maturity? It's not clear. It does state that God showed favoritism to Abel which made Cain jealous, what if it's not God but rather Adam himself, the writer could easy edit the words to give a more supernatural, above human intervention. Btw, here there is an old story told by natives, that the story of creation and man is different from biblical account. That God created man 3 times, a white race, a dark race, and a brown race. Now if that were just folklore, then how did the ancient natives who are mostly brown skinned known of existence of a fairer or darker race? Just a thought.
• Philippines
26 Dec 07
There are so many people who missed to read Genesis 5:4 which states that Adam and Eve begot other sons and daughters and there was no prohibition yet in the marriage between relatives as the then commandments and the other more than 600 commandments of God came after a very long period of time after the lives of Adam, Eve, Cain, etc. and in fact it came long after the great flood in the time of Noah the tenth generation where all people were killed except of course the family of Noah in the ark. Therefore, the wife of Cain came from his own family, the descendants of Adam and Eve.
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• United States
26 Dec 07
If you were to read these other descendants that G 5:4 speaks about are atleast 130 into Adam's life lets see in context: Genesis 5:3-4 "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters" So we have 130 years when Seth was born and the rest came after this. Cain and Abel took place before Seth as Seth was their replacement. So did Cain RAPE his unconceived baby sister? Was Cain afraid of the others that have yet to, and that may never exist? What?!?! Or is it too much to believe that the Bible tells only the pertinent side of the story rather than the whole story?!? Thank you for the response and HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!
@calicot (256)
• Philippines
4 Jan 08
Just asking. Could Cain have taken his mother, Eve and had children as incest would have not been known during their time? And as Adam could have also taken some of his daughters or granddaughters and had children as well as their offsprings doing the same? Yes, there could be a degradation of genes but then population would also have grown exponentially. Just my thought.
@johndur (3050)
• Pasig, Philippines
24 Jan 08
for the first question............................... they were not the only one's created by God,Adam and Eve were only the first creation but there was more.they were all thrown out of the garden of Eden after Eve ate the forbidden fruit.and those people were the one's Cain was worried. for the second question............................. same answer as the first one.the books that linked to confirmation of that was not yet found until now.that is the reason it makes it look that there is only Adam and Eve were the only creation that God made. as you may see there is a lot of books that were still not found to complete the whole bible's story.but nevertheless,the real purpose of the bible is still intact up to this day and it is the salvation of human soul and the proof that there is really a God.
@cyntrow (8527)
• United States
26 Jan 08
No, the Bible is not proof. The only proof can be found in your heart.
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@johndur (3050)
• Pasig, Philippines
28 Jan 08
thats another proof...but regarding the bible thing,it has all the proofs that there is really a God.even if it lacks a lot of books to support it the real message that there is God is still there.
@wrprofit (71)
• Indonesia
24 Oct 08
Man...Please. Bible is not a historical book, although there are many historical traces. Be blessed...
@lizzyt2007 (1312)
• Craig, Alaska
24 Jan 08
I know this can be confusing that God only mentions Adam and eve and their family in the begining but he did make more people he just didn't mention it. Also Adam and eve did have more kids. I read some where in the old testament that Cain married his sister in the begining. Back then there was no law against marring family. Like at Jacob he married in the family line. It was many years later that people stopped marring their family members.