Iranian Speed Boats Harrasing US Naval Ships

@bobmnu (8160)
United States
January 11, 2008 1:42am CST
We need to change the rules of engagement for our soldiers and sailors. For example US Naval Ships should have a 500 foot exclusionary zone around them and any craft entering that zone should be given a verbal warning, A shot across the bow and then be sunk if it continues. Do we have to wait until one of the speed boats is loaded with explosives and rams ito one of our ships kill US Service Men and women? If one of the boats should attack our ships I would support a bombing attack to take out their Navy and if it continues tak out their airforce and other military targets. Iran is testing us to see how far they can go - can they sink one ship, two or more before we do something besides protesting.
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@theprogamer (10543)
• United States
14 Jan 08
I think its interesting no one's even brought up what happened to the Cole. The navy needs more authority and a right to defend itself if harassed in neutral watters, and the commanders/navy itself need to get their acts straight. It can be "oh we're being threatened, do we just take it?". It has to be "you threatened us, we warn you once, we WON'T warn you again...". I say its the no experience commanders and the PCism followers that have really handicapped things in this situation. It may take an incident for command to wake up on this, then again, NOTHING may happen. Its sad.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
14 Jan 08
I beleive the Iranians are testing and will try to attack a US war ship just to show that they can take on the most powerful country in the world. Look what happened with the Embasy. We looked weak and helpless.
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@anniepa (25025)
• United States
16 Jan 08
Check this out: http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/15/fox_and_friends_fin ally_reporting_that_iranian_speedboat_incident_was_not_ as_it_was_initially_reported.php It appears this whole "incident" was pretty much a hoax. Did any of you here who seemed to think we should have blown that little boat out of the water happen to hear the latest reports? I must admit, it wasn't very widely reported so I can see how you may have missed it! Now, had we taken the action some of you recommended so highly we'd really have raised our stature in the world, wouldn't we? Annie
@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
12 Jan 08
Hello bombnu, I hope you are not serious! You know, I was “expecting” this “incident” for nearly 6 months now, and especially after British “incident”. Why? Well here it is… Oval office failed to find proofs about Iranian Military Nuclear program. And, late last year’s Intelligence analysis based on covert operations was not the first one to declare that Iranians are not after Nuclear weapons. Intelligence estimates, reports and analysis since 2005 have been saying the same thing that there is no evidence of Iranian Clandestine Nuclear Program. Then last year, the Administration lowered the threshold for declaration of War against Iran by stating that any traceable considerable loss of American troops in Iraq by Iran will suffice. They tried to make links and conjectures but again, failed to come up with evidence. Does that mean that American Administration, controlled by some power hungry elites, will be silenced and they will stop finding excuses for attack!!??...No! Not at all. They will continue with the best of their abilities to find excuses even if that means forgery, lying, thuggry, innovation, or whatever it takes to convince ignorant and simple minded public that attack on Iran is in the best interest of America. That was precisely the reason, coupled with the fact that US naval activity increased in Persian Gulf, that I was expecting this “incident” for nearly 6 months. It surely reminded me of the Vietnamese’s PT Boats “incident” that never happened in history, but it surely provided an excuse for American Oligarchy to attack Vietnam. Who suffered? Vietnamese and American “People”… while American Oligarchy enjoyed the fruits of conflict by filling in their pockets and influence. I have found that American Presidential hopeful Ron Paul had suspected the same “incident” last year that a fake incident may be created to find public support to attack Iran. Guys on following link have summarized it better than me. It also includes video of Ron Paul. Take a look. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/weden3.html Iranians have observed restraint with dignity, honor, patience and wisdom and I certainly applaud them for their conduct against American bullying and provocations especially since last two years be it capturing of Iranian diplomats, numerous border violations of British forces in south west, commissioning of second Air craft carrier in Persian Gulf or terroristic covert operations inside Iran in North-west, East and South-east.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
14 Jan 08
Do you consider telling Isreal on a weekly basis that they are going to be the first target to be wiped off the face of the earth. This threat comes from the man who was party to the Embasy take over several years ago. The seizur of British saliors in international waters. I do not think these actions show a restraint, honor, patience and wisdom. The National Intellengence Estamate you refeer to was written by two people who feel that the world is being too harsh on Iran. They did not beleive Iran is the problem. Their report is based on one report of asn Iranian Ambasator making a comment at an Embasy party in Jordan that Iran intentions are to develop nucular for peaceful uses. When the President went into Iraq it was based upon information received from several sources and confirmed by the Intellengenc Agencys of most countries. I see Iran continuing such attacks trying to provoke the US and see if they can cause trouble. The Prime Minister has stated that he wants to be the one in power wehn the 12th emalum returns to distrou the earth and take the true beleiver to heaven. He is telling the Arab world that he is stankdig up to the US and is the might in the area. The message is join me in the radical islam or I will distroy you.
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@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
14 Jan 08
Hello bobmnu, It appears that you listen to FOX news a lot, who clearly deserves this name as on our part of the world, a fox is a symbol of mischievous cunningness!:-) The man you are talking about never threatened to wipe Israel off the face of earth, yet, Americans and Europeans are led to believe that he does it on weekly basis!!! It is a mistranslation and a gross misrepresentation of the words he said. Any body that knows Persian and has listened to or read his speech can testify to that fact. I have no evidence that he was party to embassy take over either, do you? In order that I don’t repeat myself, I would like you to visit another discussion where I have talked about issues, raised by you, in detail: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1300703.aspx (#5) “The National Intellengence Estamate you refeer to was written by two people…” :-) Are you trying to say that National Intelligence Estimate was based on input of two people? Or you are saying that it was “typed” by two people after getting views from different agencies!? :-) Well, NIE is prepared based on multiple input analyses of over a dozen agencies describing the possibility, probability, level and urgency of threat after considerations, verifications, acceptance and rejections of tips, reports, leads, leaks, banking activity, especial materials activity, arms deals, industrial thefts and lots of other things and factors. In Iran’s case, the most important opinions/analysis/reports are that of the CIA, the DIA, NRO, NGA, and Agency involved in looking after, tracking and dealing in industrial materials. So are you saying that all agencies have hired just two super computer type analysts to work for all agencies? “When the President went into Iraq it was based upon information received from several sources and confirmed by the Intellengenc Agencys of most countries.” I am really intrigued bobmnu, who are those several sources from which President gathered information to go into Iraq? And more interestingly, would you like to take some names of those “most countries” who, according to you, confirmed that information? It’s going to be interesting, I believe! :-) Do you have any evidence, proof, any authentic report, to back up your statements and claims made in last paragraph?
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@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
15 Jan 08
Hello ladyluna! I am so glad to have you come out of diplomatic enclave. It’s always easier and better to deal with real people, in real situations with real faces. So, I welcome your coming out of the closet. And, don’t worry about being harsh, I am used to it, especially here on this forum. People who accuse me usually do it when they are doing the exact same thing on a greater scale and not anywhere else but in the very same discussion and thread!:-) However, before I start to dissect your recent post, where we will try to see, together, that who is so much brainwashed and who needs to wakeup, I would like you to present your argument because I can’t see that you have presented any argument against mine neither have you responded to my questions. I’ll try to adequately deal with one aspect that you have discussed in your recent post as well as your presumptions and inferences, after your response!:-)
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Hello Bobmnu, This recent test of our patience and resolve is very troubling. In this instance, there is no question that our military personnell made the right decision. As for a specified barrier: I can't say that I'm in agreement with that. Here's the reason why ... A specified barrier cannot take into account the number of variables that need to be factored into such an impactful decision. This time it was speed boats. Next time it might be a fishing trawler, or a tugboat. Regardless of the vessel, I think the navy should assign mathematicians to calculate the avg. quantity of explosives that might be stowed on any number of different types of vessels. Then factor in how much potential damage might be caused by projectiles emanating from a hypothetical explosion, then establish designated exclusionary zones for specific types of watercraft. We can generalize about a worse-case scenario, and establish a specified safe-zone based on those calculations, but there will always be exceptions relating to available navigable water-space, and/or emergencies where a smaller vessels communications abilities might be down. Instead of binding our captains, we should give them the necessary information, and the authority to make split second, sound decisions based on not only the types of watercraft, but possible variable types of explosives, and the behavior of approaching vessels. One of the things that most bothered me about the incident last weekend was that those speedboats got within 5-6 seconds of our Naval vessels. This estimate was based on the possible speeds obtainable by that type of speedcraft. Had the boats been carrying explosives with deliberate projectile types of materials, a possible expolsion might have damaged our ships to the point of temporarily crippling them. Which, could have led to any number of ensuing ugly scenarios. Without hesitation, the U.S. Gov't needs to always give the boots on the ground, or in this case on the sea, the information and authority to gauge the level of the threat, and act accordingly. There is no doubt in my mind that the Captains of our three ships were telling themselves that they were in a lose-lose scenario, when it came to the reaction of Congress. Either they didn't act with sufficient force, thereby endangering the lives of the crew. Or, they were acting too threatening. Congressional back-seat drivers must make our officers very nervous, indeed! I say: arm our officers with the info they need to make the wisest decisions, without Congress interjecting. This was a military matter, our military is the best trained on the planet, and any investigations need to be carried out by the military itself. Only the eyes of the moment can truly gauge the level of the threat. Establishing specified regulations binds their ability to make the wisest decisions, based on their time-tested good judgement.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Jan 08
The commanders in the field need to have the authority to make the important decisions. We can not let Congressmicro manage the battles in the field. We almost lost WWII because General Eisenhauer spent much of his tiem trying to keep the politicians happy. He had to be careful that he didn't offend one country or another. He had to make sure that every general got certain victories and the right ones got to liberate certain cities. We need to tell the Military what the goal is and let them do their job.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Agreed!!!!!!!!!
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@kamran12 (5556)
• Pakistan
19 Jan 08
Hello ladyluna, I am still waiting for your response. I hope to come tomorrow to respond to your retort, provided that it is complete. If you do not intend to go forward, please do tell me accordingly, so that I may submit my response to your partial response! Thanks!
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
14 Jan 08
I think that anytime any boat approaches too closely to one of our ships that it should be challenged and then sunk if it persists. We need to take a zero tolerance policy with these Iranian boats. Maybe if we used the same tactics employed by Reagan then they would have no boats, and would be constanty rebuilding their little navy instead of harassing our ships. The decision must be left with the individual ship captains, and Congress needs to stop trying to micromanage the military...that is not their job anyway. I say sink their puny little navy and then blockade their harbors and patrol their coastline.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
16 Jan 08
I would go back to a post I did onthe seizure of the British and start by bombing the Royal Guard Navy, then the Royal Guard Air Force and continue until they stopped the actions. The Royal Guard is not part of the regular Militry and why it is being considered as a terriorist group by some.
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• United States
4 Feb 08
Hey Bobmnu, I guess these libs prescribe to the school of, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, Baffle 'em with BS". I agree with your premise here that regardless of what the real story was, Congress is not Commander in chief and they should not be determining how Ship Commanders in the field should engage threatening enemies. Iran is a little pipsqueak nation that would be nothing if not for oil. These same bleeding hearts that yell "No blood for oil," are the same ones who obstruct drilling in America. We should be EXPORTING oil. Soon the Chinese will be drilling off the coast of Florida and we can't. Then as soon as they spill and ruin the Florida coast I am personally gonna drag some bleeding @ss down to beach and shove his scrawny face in it. I'd like to hear how Anniepa justifies the way women are treated in Middle eastern Countries.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
4 Feb 08
I have been reading a book on WWII and it is interesting that we came close to losing the war many times because of the political pressure from the US Congress and the British Parlament. General Eisenhouer had to plan military operations to make sure that the French were given their share of the glory, make sure that the British were able to take key targets, and make sure the Americans received their share of Victorys. Sometimes this may have been done at the expence of soldiers lives. During the Civil War President Lincoln had to contend with the pres and politicians who did not like General Grantbecause he was a drinking man. politicians have the mind set that if they say it and make it law it will happen.
• United States
4 Feb 08
Two words Bob, TERM LIMITS. from everyone from dogcatcher on up. These career politicians, All they do is get elected and then spend more time getting reelected than doing their jobs. If my Senator was running for Pres and still collecting a paycheck, I would be calling their office and complaning everytime they miised session.