Is this cheating?

couple - cheating
@SViswan (12051)
India
January 11, 2008 7:51am CST
There are 2 friends of mine who were once together but didn't marry (for reasons known to them). They married different people and recently got in touch again. Now the thing is, they claim to love their spouses but are having some sort of physical attraction for each other. I'm not sure if they have slept together....but they always tell me that it's purely physical. Both are friends of mine. I personally can't understand it...but I also believe them. Can anyone make any sense of this? As I see it (personally), I'd be totally guilt ridden if I were in their shoes...it is like having an affair. It might be different for different people. I need your views.
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@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Well, if the connection they feel is purely physical and they have resisted then, no, it's not cheating. But from what you describe it could easily lead to cheating. Plus, even if they haven't done anything...yet, it's not fair to their spouses to continue seeing each other. If it were my husband, even if I trusted that he wouldn't cheat, I would be jealous if he was spending time with someone who, not only he was very physically attracted to, but also someone he has a history with. They need to choose, each other or their spouses.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
Yes, I felt it could lead to something more ...maybe not emotional but in the physical sense. And that's exactly what I told one of them - I would be livid if I found my husband was physically attracted to someone and he was talking to that someone when I was around.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Yes it's cheating. Anytime one's emotion or physical being is being shared with another that's not their significant other, it's cheating. These people are just trying to justify what they're doing because they really know it to be wrong. Shame on them both!
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
Since I know both of them, I really felt I should try and get them to do the right thing. Thanks for the response.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Good for you because as long as you know about it and see them together without saying anything, you're enabling them to continue. Speak your mind and let them know how you feel and then let them think about it. It's up to you how you handle it. If it were me, if they don't stop, I'd tell the other half.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
I have spoken to both of them separately. They both insist that it's purely physical attraction and don't see anything wrong even if it goes to the next level. The only thing that they do admit is that their spouses will feel very bad if they found out. And that was reason for me to point out that that's because what they were doing isn't right. The problem about telling their spouses is that I know these two better (we were classmates) and I don't know how their spouses will take it. And also, I felt it was better to convince them to think about what they were getting into....and if nothing happens...it's better their spouses don't know. Another point is that they are both adults and it's their life to do as they think fit. If they plan to ruin it, it's their choice. As a friend, I told them what I felt....but if they see nothing wrong in what they are doing, then no one can stop them. And they will have to bear the consequences of their actions.
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• Finland
11 Jan 08
It definitely is a form of cheating. They should respect their spouses more, enough to stay away from each other.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
Well, they don't think it is cheating coz there is no emotional involvement. It's purely lust which they think will fade away but the emotional attachment to their spouses will stand the test of time. This is their opinion. If they don't feel any guilt, then there won't be any problem, will there?
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
11 Jan 08
This is definitely an affair. There is nothing right about it and the people involved in it should feel guilty and ashamed. But it does not sound like they feel any of these things, especially, since they are bragging to you about it.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
They weren't bragging. I asked them because I know the two of them. And they are good friends. I think they probably feel guilty at some level and was talking to me to unburden (MAYBE). But it didn't seem like they felt guilty.
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
11 Jan 08
This is a tricky thing to happen in life. The two people perhaps should have married themselves in the first place. They love their spouses but still have the attraction that they used to have when they were going out together. I think it is alright for them to be friends but they should not have an affair. If a married lady looks at a photo of an ex-boyfriend she might think he is attractive. She might meet up with him for a coffee as a friend. But if she has a relationship with him she would be cheating on her husband. There is a line between friendship and romantic love.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
In their words, they are not 'friends'. They didn't want to marry each other and have no emotional attachment either. They do not talk about what happens in their lives, what their dreams are or any thing that normal couples talk about...it's purely 'physical'...they want to have a good time in bed...and the part that I don't understand is...it's not because their spouses are not good in bed! It's like...ok...so I like red...I also like blue!
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Jan 08
Interesting...maybe you are right...maybe there is some emotional attachment and they are hiding it just to justify the physical aspect. Now, I've got to explore that aspect of the sitation. Yes, their spouses know of the existence of the other person...but do not know that they are physically attracted. They talk on the phone and meet sometimes...and their spouses know that.
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
12 Jan 08
As what they are doing is physical I would say that it is cheating. Being friends would be fine but going this far is wrong I think. I am surprised that there is no emotion between them. Maybe there is but they are hiding this. Do their spouses know about this? If not do you think it would lead to their marriages ending?
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@asgtswife04 (2475)
• United States
11 Jan 08
I definitely believe that they are cheating on their spouses. You are not to lust over another person's spouse, nor should the other one. Whether they have slept together or not is not the issue...it's the fact that they are thinking about it in their minds and it is wrong. They are cheating totally and it's both of them if they both feel that way. I don't know how they go to their other spouses without feeling the guilt of their actions or thoughts. I would be mortified and guilt stricken to have to face my husband in this type of scenerio. Fortunately for me, I believe in marriage and believe that it is sacred and is not only between man and woman,but also between God. I don't take marriage lightly and do not even look twice at a man after having been married to my husband. He is my love, no one else. Thanks for sharing. Hope something gets resolved with your two friends. I feel sorry for their spouses though. It's heartbreaking. God bless
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
I think the same as you. But their opinion is different. I respect that...but don't understand that. They have put emotional attachment and physical attachment on two different pedestals...both are important...but emotional is more important and they have it with their spouses (which according to them is the main thing in a marriage). And the physical aspect is something that might pass. Like I said, I don't understand it because I don't think that way...but who am I to tell them what to do with their lives. As a friend I can advice them based on my opinion...but that's all I will do. Just because it is different than mine, I can't say it is wrong. They probably have some justification in their hear and it's right for them.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
12 Jan 08
Sviswan, Me personally would not give any benefit of doubt and call it 'cheating' outright. I feel that the both are not committed in the first place. I would not go into the pre-marriage affair for I do not know the whole of it. But, its but obvious that the two are not committed and do not respect the bond they share with their spouses. And if at all they want to do anything, they should severe the marriages and then go ahead. If they cannot then shouldn't have had it it altogether. It's hardly possible in our social perspective and with the kind of mental orientation we Indians have to have an affair just on the basis of physical attraction. I feel, if your are very close enough, we should make them explain for many times we cannot see what's happening, we just flow with the infatuation just to overcome the boredom that is so typical of marriages. Crises come and go but the bond, love and committment help to get us going with the family that we have so fondly nourished.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
That was the first option I gave them. But they do not want to separate from their spouses. They say they have an emotional bonding with their spouse which is more important than the physical attraction they are having for one another. I have been talking to both separately and asking 'Why' all the time....don't you love your spouse? aren't you getting enough of you-know-what from your spouse? isn't it satisfying? don't you think it's a bad example for the kids? how will you explain to them when they start doing it and you know you have done it too? and how will you feel if your spouse did the same?...everything I could think of...but I'm not getting any specific answers that I can say 'Aahhhh...now that's it...don't do it!' The girl seems like she might give in...she's atleast confused about what she is feeling...which is a good thing..because then she won't sleep with him till she is sure. I hope I can get her to see sense and then hope that the guy doesn't come and bash me up for changing her mind..lol
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
15 Jan 08
Do not know what to say. Sometimes we just get our values mixed up and we lose our senses as to what's right and wrong! This is sad!
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
11 Jan 08
Yup cheating if only in their minds and they say its physical.? I fI were then I would be staying away from each other to keep temptaion at bay.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
yes, physical attraction which might lead them to bed. They don't think it's wrong because there's nothing emotional involved. If I were them I would have stayed away from temptation when I saw it coming.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
12 Jan 08
thats for sure way way far away from each other!
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@Darkwing (21583)
14 Jan 08
If the attraction is purely physical, then it can't be just friendship, and I would say that unless their prospective partners know that they're meeting up in this way, then it must be classed as an "affair", or cheating. Brightest Blessings.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Jan 08
They know their partners are meeting....but not 'in this way'. Well, I see them having their doubts now...and another thought has crossed my mind...what if they decide not to go ahead with the physical attraction and try to enjoy the wonderful families that they have, will it still be termed 'cheating'?
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Jan 08
They do meet up with their spouses too. Except for the fact that they are physically attracted and would like to be physical, their spouses are in the know and meet often. The only aspect that is hidden from the spouses is the fact that they want to get into bed together (which they haven't done yet). Like one of the mylotters said, it can be termed as 'lust'. I find that both of them seem to be undecided now....if it is worth taking the risk and breaking up their families (if their spouses found out)....so I guess the lust might fade.
@Darkwing (21583)
14 Jan 08
I would certainly have my suspicions if they insist that their attraction is purely physical. If they've married other partners, and there is nothing in these meetings, then, why don't the four of them meet up together? This way, their partners would be sure that it was only friendship and there would be far less pain and suspicion? If it goes on this way, I would be almost certain that they were cheating!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Jan 08
There is most certainly a very fine line being tread here! Cheating can be both emotionally and physically motivated; and in my opinion, forming ANY sort of relationship at a kindred level with someone other than your spouse that involves some level of intimacy is cheating. Do the significant others of each of these people know the situation? It appears to me that it will only be a matter of time before they actually physically hook up together; it's sort of as if they are telling people their circumstances as a precursor to them actually acting on it. Maybe "softening" the blow in a sense because when it DOES actually happen (if not already) everyone would have at least expected it! If they love their spouses they would keep their distance from each other for fear of overstepping the mark. If they were so compatible then they should not have married other people! This can only end up hurting people unfortunately.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Jan 08
I'm tired now. I'm just going to get them to read all the responses and leave it upto them to decide. Btw, I think they might not get into bed after all....seems like one of them is always undecided (thanks to my intervention I hope) and they are going to tire of it soon.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Jan 08
Well, the significant other knows of the other as an old friend and don't see anything wrong in them talking on the phone or meeting up once in a while....of course, that's because they don't know of the attraction part of it. I feel the same about them getting physical...sooner rather than later...but I also see that the girl is confused and might take a step back...though she knows that she would love to get physical with him...she is now thinking about her own family and husband. They were dating when they were in college after which both of them moved to different countries to work and they grew apart. Even now they both insist that they are not emotionally attached and they both had arranged marriages (which they are not unhappy in). It's all a little hard for me to understand and figure out. Like I said in another response....I would stay away if I found myself being attracted to an old friend for fear of being tempted and crossing the line.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
14 Jan 08
Yes I agree that the best thing to do is to remove themselves from temptation. What could have been has now been and gone; the respectful thing to do is to contribute all they have to their marriages and maybe focus on what they feel is missing from their existing marriages that they believe may be possibly found outside of it. The grass is rarely greener on the other side!
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• United States
12 Jan 08
Let's assume that they love their spouses but they have a physical only attraction for each other.If they acknowledge it but Never act upon it, that isn't cheating. But if they follow their feelings and sleep together, that's cheating big time. But if they are married but they never really loved their spouses and they find that they love each other more than they will ever love their spouses, but they don't make love, that 's is worse than cheating. Why? Because their heart is with the other person and not with their spouse. But if both marriages are "open". I mean that both couples agree that they can be with others and they choose to be with each other, then it isn't cheating. Why? They have an agreement that they can be with whomever. What is hard is that you don't know what really is happening in a marriage. All you can do is remain friends with them.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Jan 08
If they weren't in love with their spouses and were attracted to each other, I would have asked them to separate from their spouses and marry each other (and I'm sure that's what they would have done too). But here, they just want to take their physical attraction a little forward and maybe have a nice time in bed together.
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• United States
13 Jan 08
Well if they are in love with their spouses, then there isn't anything to do. You shouldn't tell their spouses because your friends will never forgive you.And you can't change their minds. So your hands are tied.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
12 Jan 08
I subscribe to your line of thinking SV. But I feel terming it as 'cheating' will be too early to conclude. Whether they are in fact cheating their respective partners will depend upon many factors. Do they have children, are they fulling their family responsibilities. Most important is - are their respective partners aware of their relationship. If they meet each other without taking their respective partners into confidence, then it can be termed as cheating. Meeting old friends is not bad, but they should know their limits as married couples. You can just advice them, that if they remain in touch continously..it may effect their family lifes, which is not good in the long run.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
I'll answer your questions first. They do have children...they are fulfilling their family responsibilities...their partners are not aware of the relationship...but they do not the other person and think of them as old friends. So, they will not doubt when they are on the phone or meet up sometimes. Now, the limit...that is where the question is! Physical aspect is not the limit for them...they will not get emotionally attached. If they did, then they would feel guilty about it (so they say). Since emotional attachment is more important than the physical attachment in a relationship (and lots of people agree on that count going by the responses of the other discussion I started), they think it's okay to cross the line of physical attachment coz it's not really important because they know where they are committed. This is pure lust for this particular person and they are satisfying that.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Jan 08
Maybe they will....but it's their call now. I'm tired of asking their questions for them. Let them bear the consequences of their actions. I've told them all that I possibly can. I guess I should now get them to read all the responses.
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@dpk262006 (58675)
• Delhi, India
14 Jan 08
After going through your observations, I have very littel to say. On the whole, it appears to me that if they continue to get involved with each other....irrespecive of excuses or say reasons given by them, they would definitely lend themselves in trouble, in the long run.
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@pree70 (525)
• India
11 Jan 08
I have a feeling they are treading on dangerous grounds! This sort of behaviour will only give both families unnecessary grief and heartache. They both are responsible adults and if they are aware of the consequences of their act, they must be left alone to sort out their feelings. But all said and done, the guilt factor they are going to deal with if they do something rash is quite high in magnitude. If they don't want to break up their respective families, they should stop this sort of behaviour at once.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
I agree....but the main point here is that they don't feel guilty about what they are doing. And if that's the case, then they might cross the line. Another valid point that you mentioned is that they are adults...so it's for them to decide what to do. As a friend, I have adviced them on what I feel....but each one looks at it differently. They will never leave their spouses because they are emotionally attached to them. It's more like having fun on the side because they are PHYSICALLY attracted to each other. And I am pretty sure that they will never leave their spouses. I've been thinking how I would feel if I were their spouse and I felt that I would let my husband go for what his heart desires ...and that doesn't mean that I will stay in a marriage where my husband strays...but we would separate amicably if he was honest about his feelings. But that's how I would feel....their spouses would probably tell me off for telling them because they'd rather not have known.
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@pree70 (525)
• India
11 Jan 08
i really understand what you mean.. sometimes, ignorance is bliss, as in the case of the spouses of your friends...They may choose to be the proverbial ostrich, burying it's head in the sand... I think you have done your duty by warning them of the consequences of their deeds. It is up to them to heed it or leave it. so, stop worrying about it. These days, morality is something entirely personal, and if they feel that they are in the right, you have to respect their wishes.. Maybe, one day, after they get over their physical attraction, they may choose to part...
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
Guess you are right. I was just trying to find out if someone can give me a proper justification for it. But I still respect the fact that they admit that they are attracted to each other physically. But I know I couldn't imagine myself in their shoes...because I would never put myself in such a position with someone I know. Maybe someone I meet on the street and then I do tell my husband and leave it at that.
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• United States
11 Jan 08
If they are hiding each other from their spouses then there is definately something going on between them. Because if there wasn't anything going on they would be open with their spouses about their "old friends" that they have recently been contacting...
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
Well, the spouses know about the other person as an old friend but not the fact that they are physically attracted to each other. The spouses have no doubt in their minds even when they call each other up or meet once in a while. In my eyes, that makes it worse. I would be really angry if it was my husband and I found out later. I'd think I was such a fool with that happening right under my nose. I wouldn't be able to trust anyone later....and all because ANOTHER person chose to act the way they did.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Jan 08
More than the knowing...I'm worried that these two will do something wrong and then live to regret it (atleast one of them will I'm sure). Anyways, I find the girl is a little confused and might not decide to jump into bed with this guy and maybe she will be able to convince him about against what they were going to do...and that's what I'm counting on.
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• United States
13 Jan 08
Something dangerous is most definately going to happen to their relationship...They should know that they are flirting with dishonesty and loyalty and since their willing to risk their relationship is in full force than this is something they are going to have to figure out. If you get involved I think it puts you in a very bad position; however I know it sucks that you have to live with "knowing"...
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• Philippines
12 Jan 08
Though they claim that it's only a physical relationship, I still believe that it's cheating.. Even if their own partner doesn't know about it, they would have felt guilty enough just by having this "physical" relationship going on in secret.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
No guilt at all.
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• India
12 Jan 08
I feel it is betrayal.This sort of behaviour not only spoil their peaceful life but also increase misery to their spouse.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
Betrayal...I like that word. Thanks for the response.
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@nkhanna (922)
• India
14 Jan 08
well i think you should honestly suggest your firends to not to get into this affair since this is just going to break their individual houses.when they konw that they are happy with their current life partners then why do they want to cheat them just for a flithy physical attraction ?might be right now they are not understanding this but i am sure they will understand this one day and the fear is that if it gets too late till the time they understand it.no life partner would like that their partner sleeps with someone.i think you should ask them if it was okay if thier respective partner sleep with someone else.i am sure they wont agree to it.please stop them from doing this blunder.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Jan 08
Ive talked to them all I could and given them different scenarios to think about (including the kids). Anyways, I'm done with this. I'm tired and am going to leave it upto them. They are adults....and know what they are getting into (if they decide to go ahead). As a friend, all I can do is advice them and it's for them to make the choice. I felt they were getting carried away and told them everything I could think of to not do it. But frankly, I feel that the initial attraction has come down and BOTH of them have started thinking about their families. It won't be long before the lust fades.
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@jsaidmlt (147)
• Malta
12 Jan 08
If they are having an affair or have slept with each other, yes, it's cheating. If they only like being around each other but know their limits, then I see nothing wrong. I am physically attracted to many actresses and singers :P but there's nothing wrong in that xD
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Jan 08
lol...you probably wouldn't get a chance to sleep with actresses and singers ...so that's all right. They like being around each other and might end up in bed one of these days because that's all they want from each other. So, do we wait for them to jump into bed before we term it 'cheating'?
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• United States
11 Jan 08
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can't call it a Saint Bernard. It is cheating and they should be guilt ridden. But it sounds to me like they are only interested in what each of them does for the other physically. So they need to ask themselves if what they are getting out of each other physically is more important to them then what they stand to lose if either of their spouses finds out. I'm sure the "it was just physical honey it's you I am in love with" defense isn't going to keep either one of them out of divorce court. The way I see it is if there is something lacking in your current relationship if the relationship means anything at all to you you owe it to yourself and your partner to talk about it. You don't just go out and get it elsewhere. It's not a supermarket it's a marriage. It's ok to go to Giant if Food Lion is out of cat food. It is NOT ok to go sleep with someone else because your spouse isn't doing it for you these days. Whatever happened to commitment? Grr! Sorry for the rant. I know a couple in a very similar situation but I believe her issue is worse. She is emotionally cheating on her man and it drives me up the wall to hear her try to justify it to herself. If you aren't happy with the person you are with try to fix it or get out. No one deserves to be treated that way.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
12 Jan 08
That's just the part that I don't understand. They are happy with their spouses...no problem on the physical front either. They have a good time in bed with their spouses too. Maybe they are just too over-sexed or something.....but then...wouldn't they just jump in bed at every possible chance with someone else? They have never done that and I also know of instances when they have kept themselves away to avoid the temptation. But they will not do that in this case? Is it because they had a past together? No answer. They are happy with who they are with...but they also need to sleep with this other person.
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• India
11 Jan 08
Make them imagine if the same kinda case persist wit ur spouses n they do the same wht u guyz r upto den wud u b able to digest it? I m sure they wud ve made love, otherwse physical attraction btw frnds wont ve any place if they haven't slept.. Keep d second point n make ur move accordingly.. n 2 b at a safer side, stay away frm d whole matter coz der r chances for they blaming u if anythng goes wrong with them..
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Jan 08
They have slept together when they were together before marriage. They haven't slept with anyone else after marriage...but I'm sure it will end up in them sleeping together (they don't see anything wrong with that). I asked them about the scenario about their spouses sleeping with someone else and they both say what they don't know won't hurt them and that's why they chose not to tell their spouse. And their physical attraction for each other might fade and they might never sleep together again and what's the point in breaking up a marriage for that when they are emotionally committed to their spouses - which is more important than the physical aspect. Now I don't know what to say to that.
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• India
11 Jan 08
den stay calm n let them do what they like.... Coz they ve made up their mind to go physical, n wud ve a back answer 4 al ur points.. n al ur hard work to make them realise wht they doing is wrong, wud b in vain.. Take care...
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