Can We Have a Discussion Without Arguing in a Pleasant Atmosphere?

@Adoniah (7515)
United States
January 19, 2008 2:21pm CST
I was just at another Post a minute ago that was full of anger between Theists and Atheists. That is sad... When I lived on my sailboat, I met people from all over the world even when I wasn't sailing because they like to come to Sunny Florida. You spend a lot of time just talking onboard, especially when the weather is really bad. There was a group of us Theists, Pantheists, Atheists, Polytheists, me the Jew, and others that weren't declared, that would spend hours in philosophical discussions. We never fought or got angry. The discussions got heated at times but not so that anyone ever went back to their boat except to get a beer. You see, at the beginning, we had all agreed to disagree but not to ever get angry. At the end of every discussion, we were still whatever we were before, but our eyes were open to new thoughts and ideas. We could deal with the idiosyncracies of others much more easily. Believe it or not some even changed their minds. It is much easier to do that when you are in a pleasant atmosphere, rather than when you are on the defensive. DO you think that the folks here on Mylot are READY for a philosophical discussion about different beliefs. NOT proselytizing just telling the idiosyncracies of their beliefs. Just an exchange of info, not an argument!!! If so, lets do it! Shalom~Adoniah
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@kamran12 (5555)
• Pakistan
19 Jan 08
Hello Adoniah, Yes, you may find many folks on here who would be ready for a religious discussion in a pleasant environment. In fact, there have been many such discussions in the course of my mylot experience where folks agreed to disagree and shared ideas and thoughts in a constructive manner. of course, there are those who wouldn't like a discussion without essentially attacking others' beliefs in a very condescending manner. My view on them is that they don't write or discuss to understand or to further their knowledge and understanding but just to convey their point. They believe that without attacking, they can't win. Then, there are those who go to Anti- type of sites like Anti-Christian, Anti-Islamic, Anti-Pagan etc to spout whatever they please without even verifying the claims in a reasonable manner. Despite all that, I still believe it's possible to have great religious discussion here. Shalom!
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
So Kamran add to the discussion instead of continuing my explanation of Mylots problems! I would like to know somethin interesting about your beliefs. Add to my knowledge! Shalom
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@kamran12 (5555)
• Pakistan
19 Jan 08
I have briefly discussed my beliefs here: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1100944.aspx?p=5 (#49) and here: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1060450.aspx (#5) We can move forward from there, if you like!
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
You like many people went through many transitions, as did I. You just committed it to type. So if I understood you, and I did read all of both copy, you at this point are a Theist, but you are of an undisclosed religion.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
19 Jan 08
I'm game - although in the thread starter we need a conversation starter, what philosophical belief do you want to get into? As far as religion as one sort of philosophy, my parents were of two different religions so they left it up to us kids to decide. My mom raised us to think of others, to respect others and to know good from evil. I choose not to follow any organized religion. I do like earth based religions - like many native american religions and the wiccan phiolopshy. I like the idea of accountability that these religiouns have - of responsibility. I believe in respect - of yoursself, others and the planet. And I believe we should be respectful, compassionate and kind as a matter of course, not because we're supposed to - leaving us stuck at the reward and punishemnt level - punished if you don't, rewarded with a place in heaven if you do .
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
In other words, you basically like the Golden Rule. That is a fine motto to live by. I too am intrigued by the Native American religions. I think the way they treat the mentally challenged is awesome. We could learn a few things there! I think of Heaven and Hell as the Presence of G'd or the Absence of G'd. Shalom
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• Abernathy, Texas
20 Jan 08
I love how you encourage further discussion in your replies. I just want to say that as someone who encourages 'touchy' discussions in such a balanced way, you are are an important contributer to mylot, I'm glad of your prescence here
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
You are a sweet heart! Thank you for the compliment. I mean what I say and I enjoy every minute on Mylot! See you around and about! Shalom
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@drannhh (15241)
• United States
19 Jan 08
To be honest, I really don't think the overwhelming majority are ready for that, and so, in general, I vote with my feet by walking away from discussions that leave themselves open to overtly religious or political tampering. I believe that however civilized people purport to be, that in that kind of discussion there is always an agenda. On the other hand, philosophical questions are delightful. Sometimes there is a fine thread between them.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
This is going to be a civilized discussion. Why? Because I asked nicely. So increase my knowledge. Do not give up. Make this an interesting discussion. Shalom
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@drannhh (15241)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Oh, I should add that I certainly wasn't implying that you had an agenda. No, I think it is a fine topic for a discussion. I was just saying that I usually don't get involved in those two topics which are so likely to get people riled. I will say, though, that I hate it when the pulpit of one religion is used to attack another. In my religion it is specifically prohibited to discourse upon religion in public unless one is "certified" so to speak in such speaking. Makes sense to me. Is that interesting enough, lol?
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Of course Drannhh, I have heard you say before that you do not get into these discussions. I do appreciate you stopping by as a friend! Shalom as always!
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@Polly1 (12648)
• United States
19 Jan 08
I am Christian, I am proud to be a Christian. I have no problem with other peoples beliefs. I feel we all have soemthing to offer, whether your beliefs are different then mine. Who am I to say my belief is the only one or the right one. My beliefs are the right ones for me. I do go to church, United Church of Christ. One thing that my church does that I really like, is to tour other churches and learn about other religions. The minister takes the kids when they go to confirmation class, others are welcome to come along too. I think its a good thing to learn about other peoples beliefs. I hope this discussion stays friendly.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Bravo Polly, A Wonderful Response. Maybe a start of something new here at Mylot!! Mazel Tov! Adoniah
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@Polly1 (12648)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Thanks, I just went thru and read your responses, so far so good. Everyone is being nice and pleasent. I had a discussion similar to this about a year ago, things went good. I think most of us here are friendly and tolerent of each other. I will be keeping an eye on this discussion. I am always open to learning.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Thanks Polly. I have faith!
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@sylvrrain (661)
• United States
19 Jan 08
I have also had discussions with people that have gotten angry because my beliefs are different. My sons girlfriend is convinced that I raised my son wrong because he did not attend the same church that she did. Yet she says she loves him, I must have done something right. I raised my son to know right from wrong, good from evil. I taught him to treat all people with respect and to help someone if they need it. He grew up compassionate, generous, and understanding. I also gave him an understanding of the religions that I knew about, but never forced him to follow my beliefs. I chose to let him choose for himself. I feel all people have their own beliefs. It is totally up to the individual. No one should be put down for thinking the way they think or feeling the way they feel.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
It sounds like you did a fine job raising your child. No one could ask more of a parent!
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• United States
19 Jan 08
No, they are not ready. As long as questions are seen as attacks. Or as long as people star posts that Are meant to demean someones point of view, it will never happen.As long as people think their religion is the Only correct way and all others are wrong, it will never happen. It takes a lot of respect to just shut up and listen and I mean really listen to other's point of view.And sadly people are too busy trying to show why their religion is better than all others to do that. I am so glad to hear that people are sitting around and having meaningful, sometimes heated discussions about important topics like religion somewhere in the U.S. And I am surprised ans pleased to hear it is happening in "sunny" Florida.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
The point of this was not to start right off upset but to jump right in and give it a try. So lets try. This is Saturday. It is my Sabbath. If I was truely following the letter of the law according to my religion I should not be typing today. If I was Orthodox, I definitely would not be typing today. I would be walking to Temple for afternoon services. Shalom~Adoniah
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• United States
20 Jan 08
Move over, I am in the same boat. If I were a better Jew ,not only would I not be typing on the Sabbath,I would have had a proper dinner last night. I would also keep kosher home 365 days out of the year instead of only 9.But that would happen in a perfect world.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
I do keep a dairy veggie kosher kitchen and I do not drive or shop on the Sabbath but I do sometimes go online. It is very hard not to do something when you live a lone. Almost everything I do for relaxation is not allowed on the Sabbath. Even if I sit and read the Torah I catch myself making notes without even thinking. I think it is not good to be Jewish and alone on the Sabbath.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
19 Jan 08
When I was younger I spent many years mostly being harassed and mistreated over not having the majority religion, which both makes me understand the importance of tolerance and sometimes have to struggle to be tolerant, at least against the religion of those who abused me. When I first started having peers of a bigger variety of religions, we formed a sort of interfaith group that included Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, and Humanists... I hope I'm not leaving anyone out. I loved learning about other people's beliefs then, and I still do. Right now, I'm part of a Unitarian Universalist fellowship, which also includes people of many different religions. It's so neat to see people of different beliefs not only getting along, but actually supporting each other on their separate spiritual journeys. I'll get on topic eventually, I promise! What I'm trying to say is that I usually feel very at home with people of different beliefs, and don't really have a problem with discussing things most of the time, as long as the person I'm discussing with isn't being rude to me. I have been on some discussions on mylot that were really good between people of different beliefs, where it seemed MOST people were being polite and well-behaved... but usually not all. There are some people who are just never going to learn, I think.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Hello Lecanis, I think you stayed on topic rather well. Unitarian Universalist fellowship is one group that I know nothing about and keep meaning to investigate. Anything more that you would like to share would be greatly appreciated by me. If some one gets rude here, we will just try to skip over them. Hopefully, since I asked politely, they will respect the request. Shalom~as always!
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
19 Jan 08
Oh, I must have been doing better with my response than I thought. I'm pretty out of it today (health stuff) so don't mind me. :P I love UU! It's so funny because my (now ex) girlfriend asked me to go for over a year before I finally gave in and let her drag me one Sunday, but I wound up being really involved there. Later my husband wound up coming with us as well, and now while she doesn't go there anymore, he and I still do. It's great for me and my hubby, because he's Christian and I'm Pagan. Basically the "Purposes and Principles" all have to do with respect for others and ethics, not an actual creed that everyone has to accept. The website for the organization itself (http://www.uua.org/) has a lot of information on it, but individual congregations tend to be different depending on the people there and locations and things. In my local community, we've been pretty active in social justice efforts and charity, which is awesome. I love taking my son there, because he gets to play with other kids now (he's only 1 1/2) but later he'll start learning about a lot of different beliefs because of going there. I'm hoping it will both help him to be tolerant and make his own informed choices about religion.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
Thanks Lecanis. When you mentioned that the different fellowships were different in other areas, that is true of most denominations with or without creeds. I think that is why folks get upset with each other sometimes. They just do not realize these differences or they cannot accept them. In Judaism, the difference between Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform is astounding. However, all are welcome to services as long as one keeps in mind that at an Orthodox Synogogue Men and Women are still kept separate and Men MUST wear a Kippot (skullcap).
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@academic2 (7009)
• Uganda
20 Jan 08
I agree completely with you my dear Adoniah, bad mouthing here on mylot destroys our cordial community feeling and am one person who does not enjoy intolerance of any form however different a point of view or belief may be from my own because it really stinks to be engaging in arguements with one another from a dug in position!
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Hello Academic, So far there has been no bitterness and no anger so come back and have a discussion tell the readers your thoughts on your religion in relationship to others. Shalom~Adoniah
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• United States
20 Jan 08
I think that MyLot, just like in the real world, you will find those that are negative or angry in heart and will do what they can to ruin your day or bring down the spirit; but then again there are plenty that will enjoy the moment and take it for what it is. Most people tend to fall in the middle and do not get "sparked" up by too many things unless it falls at the extreme of their tolerance level. Here at MyLot you must remember that this is an open discussion site full of different opinions where a person might be braver to express their views or let their inner self out as it is safer typing it out at home than face-to-face. The subject matter alone may bring out the "fighting mood" in many members, and I have found some very determined members who seem to feel it is their task to convert or sway others to their way of thinking. I like to hear all sides and discover more about ideas, influences, ways of living that I really do not know much about. I so enjoy finding someone who is willing to share their religious or political or cultural beliefs, etc with me without anger, resentment, or need to change my way of thinking. I have become more tolerant and introspective of situations because I try to see beyond just my side. You are fortunate to have a good group to discuss things with so openly. Good luck here to find other positive forums!
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
That was a lovely response ShadyGrove, but you did not share any of Your religious beliefs or spirituality with us. If you feel like it later, all of the readers would enjoy more input from you. Shalom~Adoniah
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@Pose123 (21667)
• Canada
20 Jan 08
Hi Adoniah, Religion is one of my favourite topics, and I am not out to convert anyone, so I'm delighted that you started this discussion. I am tolerant towards all unless I see them trying to take away the rights of others. I was born and raised a Christian, of the Anglican faith, and my wife and I raised our three children in that faith. However, I was raised to respect the beliefs of others and passed this on to my Children. Today, I find that I can no longer accept many of the teachings of the church, and here I refer to the Christian church as a whole. I have no desire to unite with another religion, although I have great respect for the Buddhists. I am a spiritual person but not religious. I do believe that life is without beginning or end, and think that reincarnation may be a possibility, but know that for now, it is all a great mystery. I know too that these are my beliefs, and that I cannot prove anything to another. I intent to read all the responses here, and I hope that there are many people ready for this kind of a discussion. Blessings.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Mashlomha(how is your inner peace) Pose, I have been hopeing that you would come here. Wow, what a great response! You are always polite and distinguished. I have read many of your responses in other postings. Thank-you for your input. I also, even though I am Jewish, have studied works about reincarnation. I find it disconcertingly possible. So far this discussion has been very nice. I have enjoyed it and everyone has been polite! Shalom~Adoniah
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@alamode (3073)
• United States
19 Jan 08
This is the way my extended family has become, now that the agitator is no longer in our lives. We're learning so much more about each other than we ever knew, and are interested in our differences, not frightened of them! This is the way life was meant to be!!
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
19 Jan 08
You betcha. This is it. Its slow but progressing. I like it!! I'm glad your here too. Shalom
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• Canada
22 Jan 08
A very thought provoking topic Adoniah. Funny, as a matter of fact I had an experience the other day discussing with another friend about the old belief relating to an eye for an eye, capital punishment and punishment in general and how this pertains to one's beliefs particularly about God.. There was another friend there who was getting angry while listening to us. We both weren't angry with each other we were having a good honest exchange of ideas. People have difficulty with taking things personal, and don't understand how you can actually have an exchange without being defensive. My friend and I who'd had the discussion, talked about her reaction afterward and how our mutual friend got upset with us and why. She percieved that we were arguing and was very uncomfortable with the fact we were both in disagreement, but we were not very surprized at her reaction in hindsight. Some folks rather take the path of least resistence and say nothing for fear that might make them appear argumentative, or worse unliked. Many folks do not know how to resolve differences of opinion. They have learned to become either passive or aggressive and there isn't any in between. They have never seen within their own family life the possiblity of resolving problems let alone understanding how to express individual thoughts and feelings. Conflict resolution they call it. This lack of conflict resolution and inability to safely and freely express myself completely, was definately the way I lived growing up. Thank God I've learned through some hard lessons to be honest with myself, to have a willingness even to be willing, and to be open minded in all my affairs, as much as possible. This is a daily walk sometimes a minute by minute, having a mindfulness in my life. Thanks for posting this Adoniah Namaste
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
20 Jan 08
I'm a Methodist. I was raised in a non denominational Christian communal house by a hippie preacher converted Jew father and a die hard liberal recovering baptist mother. I was raised to respect all faiths and spiritual paths and to seek knowledge wherever I could. I also came to understand that there are a number of people who have been beaten down by religion. Christians who make a statement and if someone disagrees, they consider it a personal attack; Athiests and Pagans who are so used to being slammed for their beliefs that if a Christian says boo, offense is taken. This is why a peaceful discussion on religion can only be had in a controlled environment. This discussion seems to fit that bill. But it could take only one person to come in and say that Jesus is the only way to salvation to turn the nature of the discussion around. And that was just one example. I don't mean to point out Christianity as though Christianity is the only faith guility of this behavior. Knowledge it the key to understandng and peace. Respect is the key to a peaceful exchange of ideas and learning.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
So true Cyntrow, I am glad that you opened up here though because for some reason this is working. I think because I asked folks to be polite. That is all it really takes. Deep down people can all be nice and in control. You can learn so much more if you stop and listen instead of yelling first. It sounds like you have had a very interesting life. I am glad that you shared and I hope that as this progresses folks can chat with each other with respect. Shalom~Adoniah
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@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
21 Jan 08
I have had an interesting upbringing and it wasn't always easy, but I think it helped shape me; helped me to become the person that I am. Unfortunately, there are a number of people who are not so accepting. Some are raised that way. Others obsorb it along the way. Either way, they can't see the forest beyond the trees. They can't see the world beyond their backyard. If it takes them out of their comfort zone, it scares the hell out of them. I feel very sorry for these people; for they will never see life as it is. Again, respect is the key.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
21 Jan 08
I too had an interesting upbringing, and I think it made me stronger. Mostly, it taught me what not to do in this life. It is a strange way to have to go about, it but it has worked fairly well for me. Shalom
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Jan 08
Hello Adoniah, Both of my parents were Irish, Roman Catholics. I was born, baptised, and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church. Although my earliest years were spent among the heathens of Hawaii. I grew up learning about the old Polynesian gods from my hula teacher, who I was very close to. Then we moved to San Diego, where I nearly succumbed to pneumonia. My recuperation was long and oh so boring!!! That's when I was befriended by an adult neighbor, a Taoist. She was an amazing woman!!! Then it was Catholic School until H.S. graduation. Though it was not uncommon for our schoolmates to be of faiths other than Catholic. We had Protestant, Buddhist and Jewish kids there while I attended. One of my dearest friends was Greek Orthodox. During my first University experience I was introduced to Born Again Christianity, and Pentacostalism, by way of two friends. Then during my second University experience, one of my closest gal friends was Jewish. I was regularly invited to join her for Friday evening Shabbat observance. It was from her that I developed a deep respect for Judaism. My third year there, I lived in an all girls, international dorm, where most of our Buddhist, and Middle Eastern Muslim students lived. Although, I will say that the bulk of my perception of Islam came from a wealthy Jordanian male student. He and I partnered regularly for research and UN projects. Great guy, who ended up unhappily returning to Jordan and pretending to be a good Muslim. He was very unhappy about leaving the USA, and the freedom he so enjoyed here. Since then, I have studied and respectfully explored or been exposed to Bahai, Druidism, Gnosisism, Mormonism, Spiritualism, Religious Science and Unitarianism, all the while remaining firmly rooted to the Catholic tradition. To this day I am still most comfortable with the Catholic tradition. Though not with the Papal edicts, or the politics of the Roman Catholic Church. As such I remain affilitated with The Church of Antioch - which is a non-Papal, ancient Catholic sect that honors mysticism & learning as part of the development of our relationship with our Creator. Unravelling The Divine Secrets, as it were. I guess it would be fair to label me a Pantheist, though I am monotheistic at heart. Without question, I believe that there is only one Source! I do not recognize a difference between any deity who facilitates goodness among mankind. I have known amazing people from pretty much every religious affilitation. For similar qualities, ideals, and commitments to exist toward the betterment of mankind from most every organized religion, this simply confirms for me that there is one True Divine Source, who has been know throughout time by many different names. I've always been a history buff, and Theology/World Religions) fits in very nicely, since the history of religion is inextricably linked to the history of mankind. Any religion that truly walks the talk of goodness over evil earns none other than sincerest respect from me. The way I see it, that's what it's all about -- communities teaching and developing goodness. Then interaction between similarly committed communities. And so on, and so forth. And yes, it is my experience that many in this community are ready, and welcome these types of discussions. Of course there are those who are not able to refrain from proselytizing. Though the best way to not let that ruin a discussion is for no one to take the bait!
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
23 Jan 08
So do you teach a World Religions Class? It sounds like you have enough life credits to stand for your Orals and receive your degree!!! I wish you had been available to join our Marina discussions when we used to get together. You would have been a great asset and the other folks would have enjoyed your input. Shalom~Adoniah
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Jan 08
Hello Adoniah, I'm sure that I would have very much enjoyed participating with, and learning from your group. That rather sounds like a fabulous way to exercise the mind and spirit, while developing the bonds of friendship. Oh, and thank you for the kind words.
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@ltmoon (1008)
• United States
24 Feb 08
Most websites aren't a good forum for philosophical discussion, especially for the topics of religion or politics. To make matters worse, it seems that most people under 40 ascribe to the debating philosophy of "if they scream loud enough and long enough their opinion is correct" ... which we know is a quite false assumption on their part. Further, I find most of these screamers to be spouting only sound-bites of religious dogma that they have been spoon-fed, instead of speaking from a point of true religious study or actual faith.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
26 Feb 08
llo Itmoon, This one worked out fairly well however. No one got upset or yelled or screamed. It wasn't terribly exciting either, but I did prove that if you ask nicely, some folks will respect you. I still got a lot of info on some religions that I knew nothing about. That is what I am here for. I am interesting in information. And learning about other people and cultures. I don't know what other folks are here for besides the money I guess. shalom
• India
1 Feb 08
I think it's profoundly important to be able to discuss idea without getting angry. And our society is in danger if we do not learn such virtue. I would not proselytise as in the sense of forcing people to change into my position. But I would expect people to changed position when their thought pattern is not quite right. I would also be willing to change my opinion if I am made to see that I am not quite correct. I think when we have such open mind that our discussion becomes meaningful. Whatever background we are from if we learn to discuss, and not go after the others' throat, I think the world would be a much nicer place to live. With regards, headhunter525
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
2 Feb 08
You are very open minded. That is what a discussion IS all about and that is what we tried to do here. It did not have as much give and take as I was hoping for but there was no anger or fighting so it was a success as far as I was concerned! Everyone was polite and happy. It was great of you to put in your opinion too. It you want to tell us about your beliefs that would be great! Shalom~Adoniah
@34momma (13895)
• United States
20 Jan 08
I think when it comes to faith and what you believe in your heard and mind to know to be true it is always going to get a bit crazy. I too being a Jew and black am always looked at side ways and sometimes i feel like i have over explain my faith. but i don't get upset or want to argue about it. everyone has their views so i will just listen
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Thanks 34mamma, See I never knew you were Jewish and you are on my friends list! Your right there are not many Black Jews. We have a few in our congregation, but then we are Conservative and we have a lot of folks from a lot of different places. I have always wanted to go to an Ethiopian Synagogue. They are a very old sect and it is said that their services are in Aramaic and Hebrew. I would like to hear that. There is supposed to be one somewhere here in Fl. but I cannot find it on the Net. Shalom~Adoniah
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@Aussies2007 (5339)
• Australia
20 Jan 08
Only open minded people can have an open discussion about religion. The army of bible bashers on myLot will not allow you to do so. They are fanatic about their religion and will not allow you to question anything about it. If you do... it is regarded as blasphemy and they will crucify you in the name of God. I would have loved to be on that boat of yours and discuss religion with an open mind.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Hello Aussie, It seems to be working here. This is the second day, and though some people area a little shy about saying too much, there is no negativity except for a few who say it will not work. Open up and give it a try. Shalom~Adoniah
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@derek_a (10902)
20 Jan 08
Through sharing and communicating we learn. IMO, through judgement of the beliefs and ways of others, we can become bigoted and angry, and this anger only hurts our Self. As a Zen practitioner, I aspire to follow the "rule" of non-interference, meaning that whilst I have an interest in the philosophy of others, I will never interfere for we each are on our own "journey" and are viewing different things. Zen is not a religion as such, but can be applied to any religion if you so want. What has fascinated for years, is the way that all the ancient religions that may have been separated by vast distances and were totally unaware of each other have similar aims and beliefs, and the only difference is just the terminology used. :-)
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Hello Derek_a, Lovely thoughts. You are the first professed practioner of Zen. A very peaceful and peace loving philosophy. I too am interested in the philosophy of others and I am glad that you have shared some of yours here. Shalom~Adoniah
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@luanakent (795)
• Brazil
20 Jan 08
"it is much easier to do that when you are in a pleasant atmosphere,rather than when you are on the defensive". You are right!!.. Any discussion is better when there is not anger. But i understand that with time someone are angry. When this happens ..it is good to stop a little, go to the bathroom, drink a water..lololol I am a Christian but i respect the free choice of each. Remember that respect dont mean agreeing. Who has the same thought of Christ dont may be anger the person who thinks different. The christian should love everyone and may disagree whit the behavior of them. I love many people who have thoughts that i hate.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
20 Jan 08
Hello luanakent, Thank~you for your thoughts. Tell us more about your personal beliefs so that we can learn more!! Shalom~Adoniah
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