The TRUTH hurts !

United States
February 1, 2008 9:42am CST
Imagine you wanted to determine the attitude of Islam and its founder toward women. Probably the thing to do would be to use the Koran and other official Islamic source material to research the true facts. This only makes sense. Writing an honest book about what you learned, that might not make as much good sense. That is, if you want to continue to lead a normal life. Here's the story of a man who did the above. http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2008/1/kurdlocal472.htm Do you think Islamic leaders will ever come to realize how backward and ignorant they appear to the rest of the world when they accuse a man of blasphemy for quoting and commenting on holy scripture?
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• United States
1 Feb 08
Good Morning RedyellowBlack Dog :)) After I read the article, backward and ignorant, is not what came to my mind. Dangerous and unpredictable is what jumps to my fore brain. This is the root of organized religion. To keep its followers uneducated, ignorant and dependent, in that way people do not think for themselves and much easier to control and lead. This man is a hero in one sense of the word, all he wanted to do was shed light into a shamefully guarded norm of the Islamic people. I feel bad for his wife and children, I can not imagine what it is like to live with that kind of fear.
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• United States
1 Feb 08
That which is backward and ignorant often is dangerous and unpredictable, but in this case, your choice of words, "Dangerous and unpredictable" is more appropiate than mine. Thank you for the improvement in the expression the main idea of my post.
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@uath13 (8207)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to have written a book like this & not known what would happen & use a pen name for protection. He's probably goting to have to be looking over his shoulder for a long time less some islamic nutcase fanatic manage to pull off the sentence.
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
1 Feb 08
These people are in denial about their false religion and will do whatever it takes to make sure no one exposes their religion for the lie that it is. They say the truth will set you free... in this case the truth will destroy a religion if it is allowed to be told. That is why anyone who tries to speak the truth is accused of blasphemy and either imprisoned or executed or both. the Islamic leaders depend on the truth not being told in order to keep themselves in power... otherwise they would not have the terrorists groups at their disposal to do their bidding and fight their "Holy Wars" against everyone who doesn't believe the way they do.
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• United States
1 Feb 08
I have found that people in denial, way deep down, know that they are. With time they slowly work their way out of it, if they can be exposed to the truth often enough. With luck, the satellite dish and the internet will help to convert Islam to something modern that can exist peaceably in the world of today. I'm an optimist!
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• United States
1 Feb 08
That is ridiculous. That poor man and his family having to live in hiding over a book that he obviously researched pretty thoroughly? So sad! Granted, I suppose that since he is from an Islamic area, he must have had some idea that the book would not be received well. That does not excuse this behavior, don't get me wrong. It is such a sad mess...
• United States
1 Feb 08
The one good thing in the story was the helpfullness of the Norweigen government and people in providing refuge for this man.
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@flowerchilde (12518)
• United States
3 Feb 08
..also to determine the attitude of Islam toward women I'd research how the women are actually treated..
• United States
3 Feb 08
Your point is well made. There is a discussion going on earlier in this thread about how Islam actually treats women with one responder defending Islam. That responder should consider your point. Just look at what Islam does instead of argueing about what their books have written in them.
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@kamran12 (5555)
• Pakistan
3 Feb 08
"Just look at what Islam does instead of argueing about what their books have written in them." redyellowblackdog, there is a difference what 'Islam' does and what a 'Muslim' does! The people who have closed their eyes and brains are prone to every lie that masks this difference. Those people are as religiously extremist and ignorant as they consider others to be. There is a difference what 'Islam' does and what a 'Muslim' does! as there is a difference between Hitler and Christianity, between Reagan and Christianity, between Bush and Christianity, between you and Christianity, between Arial Sharon and Judaism, between Ehud Olmert and Judaism, between Bal thakray and Hinduism...
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• United States
5 Feb 08
"There is a difference between what 'Islam' does and what a 'Muslim' does!" I would agree there can be a difference between what Islam is, and what some individual Muslim does. Particularily, when that Muslim is doing something of which Islam disapproves. However, like it or not, that which is approved of by Islam, that which is acceptable behavior among Muslims, is Islam. Now, if you are saying that current Muslims are not following true Islam, that is something else. If that is the case, I wish you well and will even pray in support of your efforts. BTW: I do hold Christianity, Judasim, and any other religion you can think of to the same standard.
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1 Feb 08
It sounds a lot like how the Catholic church used to behave in the Middle Ages when people translated the Bible from Latin so that ordinary people could understand it. Or how they reacted when Galileo revealed the scientific truth that the Earth went round the Sun and not vice versa. The Church feared informed debate because they thought it was a threat to their authority. And they thought that a threat to their authority was blasphemy because they were God's representatives on Earth. Islam is just in the same state that Christianity was in then. As the population of Muslims grows, it becomes more likely that people within the faith will start questioning and reforming it, as has happened with Christianity and Judaism. It could be another hundred years or so before mainstream Islam joins the modern world and of course there will always be a fundamentalist element, but we have to hope that their religion will evolve as other religions have.
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• United States
2 Feb 08
There is a minority of Muslims trying to reform Islam even now, but as you might suspect, their efforts are not appreciated by some of Islam.
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2 Feb 08
As I recall, the Catholic church did not appreciate Martin Luther's efforts either. The reformers will have a lot of opposition to overcome but that will only make them more determined.
@Aussies2007 (5339)
• Australia
5 Feb 08
There is no question about the fact that Islam is two hundred years backward. As long as those countries are governed by religion instead of a democratic government... things will remain the same. One must not forget that our women were not treated any better by the Christian religion 200 years ago. It was our democratic governments which did put pressure on the church to back off women and give them their freedom and equality. While the church has lost its power today... if it could... it would like nothing better than put women back in chains and have them serve their husband. Which is why the church has lost so many of its people.
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• United States
5 Feb 08
I agree with your points for the most part. The disagreement? Islam is probably 400 years backward, not 200! I especially agree many Christian sects would back slide on their treatment of women, if they could get away with it. My mother-in-law, while visiting here, attended several local churches and was appalled at them all to the point she started to not attend church while visiting us. Her problem with local churches? They all treated women as inferior to men. Now, you'd have to have known my mother-in-law. She was smarter, harder working, and more honest than 99% of all people, men included. She was also humble and introverted. She would not have not attended church unless the attitude there was very bad.
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• Indonesia
5 Feb 08
I'm just wondering what is being hated by the Muslims in this case? Do they hate "the truth"? Yeah...sometimes, a truth hurts, when someone have rejections in his/her heart about it. That's what I feel too, when I am with my egoism.
• United States
5 Feb 08
Yes, people in psychological denial often get angry and 'act out' when confronted with the truth of which they are in denial.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
3 Feb 08
The world knows how the Islamic women are treated, but are unwilling to do anything about it. Even now that we are in Afganistan and Iraq and have made promises to the women in both places that they will no longer be beaten and killed for just being women they are still being beaten and killed for just being women. I had a small taste of the Hell that they live in every day of their lives. It is a horror. Whatever that man wrote could not describe what the women actually feel because he was only seeing it from a man's point of view. He could never live it. He could never feel it. I think every Muslim man should have to wear the Burka for one month non stop. And have his body beaten at street corners if he accidentally lifted his head and made eye contact with someone, or looked in a shop window too long as if it were a mirror, or rode in the front seat of a car, or had nail polish on, or eye makeup on. All of these are crimes punishable of beatings by any man who witnesses them. These men are sick. They are so insecure that they must destroy every vestige of another human beings self esteem in order to feel like a man. And since the Quaran is an empowering book, and Islam is an empowering religion, this becomes possible. The only problem is most of them only have the women to become powerful over. Shalom~Adoniah
• United States
3 Feb 08
So, a lot of the problem is in small minded, insecure, ignorant men who feel a need to dominate someone with women being their safest choice? I can see the logic in that.
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
2 Feb 08
to call it backward and ignorent is to commit herrasy, to comment on scripture is to make an indipendent judgement, this is not allowed under islamic law. How silly to make political decisions in light of religious myth
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• United States
2 Feb 08
Well, that explains it. Believe it or not, that does help me to understand the Muslim position better.
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• China
2 Feb 08
though i really dont kown the islamic,i still compassion them
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• United States
2 Feb 08
That is a good thing.
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@EvanHunter (4028)
• United States
2 Feb 08
Interesting that he was convicted to jail for six months in Iraq and not some other country, there's the freedom we brought them in action. I have to say that I believe the Islamic attitude has changed, no one is openly calling for his life (thou maybe off camera) like they did with Salman Rushdie, although the change has taken over two decades. But than again how long did it take for afirmative action and equal rights to make changes in our own country and if some had there way it would surely go back to the "good old days" of alot of church burnings in black neighborhoods. I read a headline that said "Mariwan Halabjaee, seeks international protection!" I wonder if some of it shouldnt be "Mariwan Halabjaee, seeks international fame and publicity". I doubt this will hurt his career in fact I think he will probly become a very wealthy man. Its not very hard to determine the attitude in the united states against women either: http://www.aidv-usa.com/Statistics.htm In America, 85-95% of all domestic violence victims are female. Over 500,00 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year. 5.3 million women are abused each year. 1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner. Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women. (American Institute on Domestic Violence Statistics.) Those are some pretty painful truths that havent been dealt with in our own back yard.
• United States
2 Feb 08
The painful truths you speak about in the USA's backyard are being dealt with. The statistics you quote are from crime data. These people are charged with crimes. In the USA, the law is on the side of the woman. Our society and values are on the side of the woman in these abuse cases. True, we need to do more. Enough can never be done. We acknowledge the problem and do what we can to alleviate it.
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