Where are morality and ethics derived from in the first place?

Canada
February 21, 2008 7:36pm CST
My point of view is... morality and ethics are derived from God. How does God teach such things? Well, it is what we call as religion. Do you agree with that? If not, why not? If there was no religion in the first place, could we have known and lived in a civilized meaningful existence?
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@IddiKlu (176)
• United States
22 Feb 08
Morality and ethics developed from the greater survivability it gave to those practicing it. It essentially was one of the characteristics that made societies possible, where killing your neighbor was not an acceptable option, to further yourself. All religions did was to observe, formulate and explain that this was a good thing. The shamans that created these religions became an oligarchy that then, and to this day, used that to become parasites on the general population. Most of which still hasn't caught on to that scam. ;-)
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
22 Feb 08
Very interesting response! I like it! Shalom
• Canada
23 Feb 08
Thanks IddiKlu for your response. You said "Morality and ethics developed from the greater survivability it gave to those practicing it". If it is what your opinion is, it means that every person has a different morality and ethics. But as we've found now, we actually have common morality and ethics from one place to another place. In other words, every society in the world has same or similar standard regarding the acceptable morality and ethics.
@IddiKlu (176)
• United States
23 Feb 08
Actually no, the type of ethics and morality would be very close in different individuals (if they have it at all), as the genetic variation in the human race is only 0.1%. That means that we are 999/1000th alike. Scary, huh? But there are some that are not as subject to others influence as most. They are the thinkers, the atheists, the ones that don't follow every fad; that don't believe and scorn faith, because it is a suckers game. Already in Roman times it was accepted, that for every master there were 10 slaves. That also hasn't changed. Barnum and Bailey stated, there is a sucker born every minute and 10 to take him (her). Nothing seems to change... ;-)
@Aussies2007 (5339)
• Australia
22 Feb 08
Yes I do agree with you for once... Morality and ethics do come from the bible. And the bible represented our laws and was enforced by the catholic church until around 1500AC. Then the first governments took over from the church and retained those laws... so as to not upset the church. And those governments still don't want to upset the church today... because they cannot afford to lose the vote of one billion Christians. However... the bible was not written by God... And the prove of that was that Jesus... the son of God... did not approve entirely of the first testament... and changed it to the new testament.
• Canada
23 Feb 08
Aussies2007, I can't understand the way of your thinking because you have already lived in a civilized and democratic country such as Australia. Don't you ever know that in a democratic country has already been performed a separation between State and Church? Church has nothing to do with the decisions of those governments. If you see what is happening today, it is not because those governments still don't want to upset the church. It is merely due to negative exploitation of religions in order to gain power over something. However, it doesn't mean that ALL religions are bad and the main cause. So, you should be able to differiantiate it. I don't know what your belief is. I respect your belief, anyway. But in my faith, I truly believe that Jesus is God itself. At this moment, I can't prove it but when the time is near, it will be revealed entirely. Because God wants to try us whether you believe in Him or not. He gives us a free will to choose. Mary, the mother of Jesus, had appeared many occasions in various countries and had performed some miracles. It is a sign of God that Christians shouldn't lose their faith.
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• Canada
23 Feb 08
One thing, Aussies2007. The bible was definitely not written by God. It was INSPIRED by God. So, do you know what is the difference between WRITTEN and INSPIRED?
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• Canada
23 Feb 08
Now, I am getting confused with your point of view. First, you said “Then the first governments took over from the church and retained those laws”. Later on, you told me that “We never did separate from the church. The church separated from us... because it refused to move with the times”. So, which one is your correct opinion? Did the first governments took over from the church? OR the church separated from the governments? If the correct one is the formerly one, it means that the church and the governments never separated. Of course, the church can’t move with the times because their standard moral and ethics are static. God’s words will remain forever –It means that the words won’t change. People are not God. My question to you now, are the people also better off if they are being FAR WAY to God?
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
22 Feb 08
In the Rain Forests, there are tribes that have never known other humans, or G'd or Organized Religion, yet they live a civilized meaningful existence. They work as a community to gather and share food. They take care of members who have lost their families for one reason or another. If a hunter gets lucky and strikes a good "kill" it is shared by all. The so called Civilized World has committed some of the most horrendous atrocities in the name of G'd. The Crusades come to mind. The burning of the Witches at Salem is a good example. What about the Inquisitions? All of these were done by Organized Religions in the name of G'd. All of them slaughtered innocent people in the name of G'd. I do not consider any of this civilized, moral or ethical. Most wars were started at least in part over religion or had religious undertones. I do not consider that moral, ethical, or civilized either. Over the centuries morals and ethics have changed drastically too. Has G'd changed? Have the words in the Torah morphed? No. If you really stop and think about it, we are more Promiscuous now than the Ancient Pagans were. We are probably as Gluttonous and Perverse. So what is G'd and Religion doing to improve our morals and ethics now? Shalom~Salaam~Peace
• Canada
23 Feb 08
Thanks for your response, Adoniah. But anyway, may I know what tribes you were talking about? And where were they located? What you've mentioned to me, I can call it as an instinct. When you're going to analyze the flock of birds or other animals (even wild animals such as tigers, lions, etc) closely, you'll notice that they also take care of their members and if a hunter "kill" one of them, I'm very sure that those tigers or lions will strike the hunter back. I've always believed that humans are basically animals in their basic nature. The only difference is that God has created and given to us rules that we should follow it and it will depend on ourselves whether or not we can curb such basic nature. Thus, I am not surprised about inquisitions and organized religions that slaughtered innocent people in the name of God as you said. People can slaughter others in the name of anything. In other words, humans can fight about anything and everything especially religions where one group has different things than another one. Example, people who are almost similar and/or identical genetic cells can not also agree with each other, right? Although I agree slightly with your statement -- "over the centuries morals and ethics have changed drastically too". But if you take a look closely, you'll find out that BASIC morals and ethics still exist. We do really know from time to time -- it is immoral to steal and this is mentioned in the 8th of Ten Commandments ("You shall not steal").
• Australia
23 Feb 08
There is such a tribe in the movies "The Gods must be crazy" 1 and 2 Some of the funniest films ever made.
• Canada
23 Feb 08
Aussies2007, Don't you know that film is often not based on reality?
@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
31 May 08
Yes, I believe that morals and ethics are started in religion. You start by teaching children the basics and keep teaching them as they grow. **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~