Evolution and Racism

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
April 8, 2008 4:23pm CST
Evolution that is taught in public schools goes something like this: After the Big Bang a small single cell organism and evolved over hundreds of millions of years into every living organism that is living today. The politically incorrect theory that is left out is how the races evolved. Darwin taught that humans start evolving from the common ancestor of the ape in Africa. The African races would be the first modard humans, then Arabs, then Asian, then Europeans. If you want to you could say that Europeans are more evolved than all other races. African would be the lest, and closest to the ape. I understand that to say something like that would be racist, but to teach evolution correctly should we not look at it from every direction. P.S I do not believe that Europeans are more evolved than other races.
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@Perry123 (363)
8 Apr 08
no. The heirachichal interpretation you are putting on it is a mistake. As I understand it, evolution adapts life forms for the environment. Just because humans changed because they adapted to different environmental challenges does not mean on is superior to the other. In addition; they are not seperate species and may never become seperate species; since the adaptations are quite small; comparable say with different dog breeds: they are still all dogs; they were just rapidly bred through selection for different purposes. In certain environments europeans are less well equipped both physically and culturally to deal with say extremes of heat or cold; or specific local diets; and vice versa. This was one of many mistakes made by Nazi science. In theory if germans were the master race, and they were extremely heathy and physically fit, how come a black american two pack a day smoker annihilated them at the Berlin olympics in 1938? Of course the reason is that while certain races are more physically and culturally adapted to certain things, it doesn't mean that one is always going to excel over another at sports, intelligence etc...because we are all the same species; we really are not all that different. This can easily be seen when a white british Jew is able to pretend to be an Asian/black hip hop youth without even wearing skin make up: Ali G (Sasha Baron Cohen). Apes are a different species altogther; and we did not evolve from them; but rather we both evolved from a common ancestor. Maybe. Can we breed humans selectively? well only to a certain lvel. If we bred sportsman with sportswoman for a few generations they would get a littl faster yes: but then they'd reach a platau. Racehorses are a case in point. They can never go any faster now by breeding with established bloodlines. nd thy will never evolve into a new species despite having an extra rib. To throw up a freak that will be faster will require using other bloodlines and especially the base blood arabian: though it is difficult to do this. So its one in the eye for genetic selection and health fascism because in the end it is not perfection that creates adaptation and evolution, but mutation...deviance. now as I said its mistake to regard adaptation within a species or intoo a new spcies as hierarchical. Some of the most sucesful animals on the planet are ones we regard as primitive; sharks; cockroaches. They have survived many many climatic disasters and changed little over millions of years. If there was nuclear annihilation at an incredible level, the cockroach would be one of only a hnadful of species to survive. So who is superior?
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
8 Apr 08
You have not addressed why it is not taught in school. Early evolutionist taught this. Social Darwinism came from this logic. Is it that this heirachical theory too controversial. Even though you disagree, and I have already said that I disagree with it, should not all angles be taught. To some the teaching of evolution is conttroversial, should we just stop teaching it? Since Evolution is a theory every aspect of it should be examined.
@Perry123 (363)
8 Apr 08
why teach a false part of the logic? I suppose you could teach that they got it wrong lol. The truth is...evolution is not hierchical at any level. It about change and adptation; not supremacy. One could say if an organism has to do this it is faulty in fact. Nothing wrong with shark and cockroach design so they stay as they are almost unchanged. Social Darwinism likewise is flawed fundamentally becaue of this belief. ironically, it is christianity, darwinism great enemy, that tainted the science of evolution it in the first place with the "hierachical" idea as it believes that man is superior to animals; and that primitive peoples, not bing christian and being "savage" are "backward" (also not true...we are no more highly evolved...and in their environment it would be us who would be inadquate...most of us are knackered without suprmarkets). There is even recent scientific theory that actually ALL "higher" lifeforms evolved purely to tranport single celled animals around. Be intersting to see the progrss on that. Certainly all life appears to be a series of checks and balances on one another; including of course plants. For what purpose is unknown, but remarkably the balance appears to sustain the atmosphere from comustible gas mix. ironically; that suggests a "design". And therefore, even on the scale of just the Earth and it life; a designer. so actually there is nothing in evolutionary theory to negate any religion .
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• United States
10 Apr 08
If that's the case, shouldn't everyone living on one continent, eventually look alike? Same race, bone structure, etc...without the "cross-breading" factors?
• India
11 Apr 08
Believing in evolution need not lead us to racism. People who argue for such logical conclusion, I think, are wrong headed. I am a Christian and I have no problem in believing in evolution as well as creation of the Bible. After God is the author of the world as well as the Word.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
10 Apr 08
"Evolution that is taught in public schools goes something like this: After the Big Bang" No, wrong. The Big Bang doesn't have a thing to do with evolution. "a small single cell organism and evolved over hundreds of millions of years into every living organism that is living today." The first life was a lot simpler than a single-celled organism, or a cell to begin with. "The politically incorrect theory that is left out is how the races evolved." The existence of racial variation is well-explained by the Theory of Evolution. "The African races would be the first modard humans, then Arabs, then Asian, then Europeans. If you want to you could say that Europeans are more evolved than all other races." You could say that, except you'd be lying. Just because skin color doesn't change (because the population stays put) doesn't mean evolution stops. Evolution is a constant process, and all humans are equally evolved. Nowhere in the Theory of Evolution is it stated anything CLOSE to the statement that certain 'races' of humans are more or less evolved than others. We are all the same species; in fact, we're all the same subspecies. Therefore, all humans are equal in an evolutionary context.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
10 Apr 08
ClarusVisum if evolution does not teach what I wrote then why did Charles Darwin the author of the most respected theory on evolution believed that. I did not just pull this out of thin air Charlie said it. Early evolutionist in Europe believed that Europeans where the Master race, do you think that Hitler just came up with that statement all on his own. So before you start calling me wrong why do you not get your facts straight.
• United States
10 Apr 08
If we are all "equally evolved", then why are some races more susceptible to specific diseases? Such as sickle cell?
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@bochco123 (594)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Did you know that African Blacks have the most complex (i.e. most highly evolved) genetic make-up of any of the so-called "races"? The current socio-economic position in the world of the various ethnic groups, is based entirely on environmental and cultural factors. The genetic make-up of the "races" has nothing to do with how well developed any specific ethnic group is.
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@tinkerick (1257)
• United States
8 Apr 08
That does make sense. However I don't think that the different races are meant to be considered to be higher evolution than the other, but more that they adapted to their specific regions a certain way which then made them different from the "original". Each one is "fit" for their region. This does not necessarily mean they are better than any other race. It only means that another race would not be so suited to live in that particular area. Humans today in ALL regions and races, continually "trick" evolution and the "survival of the fittest theory" due to new medicines and lifestyles that extend life even when the body is sick or malformed. This in turn is also causing a major overpopulation problem. But that could be discussed another time.
@Perry123 (363)
9 Apr 08
Yes...and no. Ironically as we get healthier we could also get waker as we are less rsistnt to disease. Asthma and allergies for exmple are increaing; and viruses and bacteria are becoming resiliant to treatmnts. So the single celled anmals are evolving too. Rats too end up eating poion which dos not harm them as they have adapted. meanwhil, because we discourage exposure to toxins etc (eg smoking bans and the high amount of bacterial agents in household cleaners etc) we may be building big problems for ourselves as a species and encouraging weakness.
@tinkerick (1257)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I agree that there is the very real possibility that we are in fact making ourselves more vulnerable by treating everything that makes us sick. Especially since, like you said, all the organisms that create the sicknesses also adapt and evolve. It's nature's way of saying "Hey, these things are supposed to weed out the weak amongst you, stop trying to change that!"
@Perry123 (363)
10 Apr 08
lol no. CIgs do the same and the one thing I can say against smoking is cigs dont think. so its us the problem not "them". ps it seems the UK word for cigs is banned lol!
@irdsm1 (288)
• United States
16 Apr 08
The reason it is not taught like that is because it isn't true. Each race has adopted to the different environments they live in. None are any better than others, but genetically they are better adapted to where they live. People from colder regions tend to be shorter and stronger built, but people from warmer regions tend to be tal and a bit gangly. Why is that? Shorter=less heat loss Vs. taller=more heat loss. Neither is necessarily better than the other. Also the whole theory or idea that people have about things that have evolved later being better is completely incorrect. They are not better because of when they evolved, just better equipped to deal with different circumstances. Also, they may deal with circumstances in a different way than other species, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. Dan