Proof for God's existence!
April 16, 2008 8:56am CST
Well,you would have seen a number of people argue that God is not there.For those here's a nice argument.You may have already read it. ------------------ An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and Prof: So you believe in God? Student: Absolutely, sir. Prof: Is God good? Student: Sure. Prof: Is God all-powerful? Student: Yes. Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent) Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good? [b] Student:[/b] Yes. Prof: Is Satan good ? Student: No. Prof: Where does Satan come from? Student: From...God.. . Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student: Yes. Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student: Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer. ) Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they? Student: Yes, sir. Prof: So, who created them? ( Student has no answer) Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter? Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. Prof: Yet you still believe in Him ? Student: Yes. Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my faith. Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has. Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Prof: Yes. Student: And is there such a thing as cold? Prof: Yes. Student: No sir. There isn't. (The lecture theater becomes very quiet with this turn of events .) Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, But we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theater) Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness? Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.) Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar .) Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.) Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent . The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable) Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son. Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH ---------- Cheers.Share your views on this discussion here.
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16 Apr 08
Thank you for the beautiful logic on the existence of God. It is only a fool that would not believe what he can't see or feel. If somebody had foretold several years back that all of us would be making phone calls from our own portable or mobile device like the GSM, one would have thought it impossible. The same goes for air planes and the internet wonder. Yet, these mundane inventions, as complex and far-fetched they seem, cannot be compared with the indescribable forms and natures of God's own creations. It is arrant nonsense limiting our belief to what we can sense with our limited faculties. Maybe it is more helpful to talk of a supernatural being if we all cannot agree on the name 'God'. Afterall, God is known as Olorun or Olodumare in my own language. The Arabs call Him 'Allah' while the Jews call Him 'Elloi' or so. The concepts of Godism and His attributes are the same whatever local name we call God by. He is the supreme, supernatural being, who designed and created the whole universe, which feat no ordinary mortal could accomplish. If one had argued that there were various Gods, it would have been less foolish than denying outright the existence God at all.
16 Apr 08
I am not against religion or anything like that. But to me, there is no proof of god, or anything like that. How can one 'Thing' create the world over 7 days and prove it, when no one was here to whitness any of it! If god is so great, then why let thousands of people get blown up in the twin towers and thousands of other terroist attacks, why let people starve etc. Science has proof of the big bang etc. But for me to believe that there is such a person, there has to be proof which is substantial! ... and there just isnt. People say they have 'seen, heard etc' god, but there is no proof. But good discussions, i like the way the prof gets victimised infront of the class! lol Chris
17 Apr 08
Another proof for God's existence: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1478820.aspx I want to know what you feel about the discussion whose link I have given above. Still no belief in God's existence? oh alright,then lets get into a friendly debate. [u][i][b]Do you believe that there is a soul? Only when the soul is inside your body you are alive.[/b][/i][/u] Accepted till now?
17 Apr 08
Chris, God gave us free will. According to the bible God is perfect and makes no mistakes but if God did make a mistake maybe giving us Freewell to choose him or not was it. Free will blew up the towers. Free will does a lot of harm in this world. Maybe it is because of the enemy of our souls as the bible says. There is an enemy of our souls whom we call the devil. He loves free will because he uses it to his advantage. He loves nothing more then to influence our free will to his liking. His purpose is to keep us from knowing or even choosing the truth of God. It works on some people and not others. Yet we all have a choice to choose over good and evil. We start from the time we are young. Maybe the people who do the serious crimes are the ones who didn't resist doing wrong things when they were younger and they continue on a bad path growing up. Not saying all people will get that bad but if you question where the evil doers come from there choices is as good of an explanation as any. Gods plan for them is for good and not for evil as the bible explains. About the proof of the big bang theory. My understanding of that is they have no proof only a theory. The same as the theory of us coming from apes; its a theory by a man who was being creative in his thoughts. God says we are fearfully and wonderfully made! We are His precious children whom He created for His purpose. He gave us free will just like we want to do for the loved ones in our life. We give our boyfriends or husbands freedom to choose us over someone else. We love them unconditionally with no strings attached. That is our goal anyhow; that is what we aim for even though it might be hard for some of us to do. But you know yourself you don't want anyone to stay with you if they don't' really truly love you and their heart belongs to another. This is the same with God. He created us and wants us for his own but gave us free will to choose the good and the bad. A tyrant like the enemy of our soul would lie, cheat, and deceive us in any way to keep us from our true love! Everything on this earth as a lesson we can learn about God our maker. Freedom to choose or not to choose.
17 Apr 08
yes faith, that eternal elixir of life which rejuvenates everything after the worst disasters. And it is faith indeed, because of which not all scientist and doctors are atheists even if they know very well that all forms of life are nothing but machines working with clock-like precision.
16 Apr 08
Faith is really what bridges man and God. yes there are lots of things that we can't answer and may say that God don't care or He is good because He allow bad things to us. but still that's why He is God, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. i remember in one of my class when im in college, im professor is an atheist. she raised an argue about the existence of God. most of my classmates where starting to doubt God because my teacher is a good debater. i just thought in myself, what a poor being are we, that if there's no God who control and created us. What is our sense anyway here on earth, that if we die, there's nothing next to it. everything will be worthless or should i say nonsense..
22 Apr 08
very excellent discussion the student was right.... I believe in God too because there is no such happen here on earth that is an accident all on earth happen here has a purpose...So only a perfect person can do that and that is GOD
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17 Apr 08
AMEN!!! And that, dear readers, is exactly why evolutionism should be considered a religion in its self!!! Now I will read the rest of the discussion, I just had to make that comment while it was on my mind:)
16 Apr 08
Thanks for such a great article. Faith is what keeps the Human and God relationship alive. As long as one belives in god and have that faith god exists. yeah some times when am sad i do argue that there is no god cause all my problems are unsolved and i am having more and more troubles day by day in my life. Once again thanks for such a nice and beautifull story.