“McCain dismisses equal pay legislation.

United States
April 30, 2008 9:50am CST
Says women need more ‘training and education.’” “They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else,” McCain said. “And it’s hard for them to leave their families when they don’t have somebody to take care of them. NEW ORLEANS - Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits. Senate Republicans killed the bill Wednesday night on a 56-42 vote that denied the measure the 60 votes needed to advance it to full debate and a vote. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_fair_pay Is this the type of man we wish to be our next president? I do not! I feel that the choices we have for president are getting worse day by day. Your opinion?
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@irisheyes (4373)
• United States
30 Apr 08
Yet another reason to vote for Hillary. You know she'd never go for this one. If I hadn't already decided to vote for whichever Democrat gets nominated, this would seal the deal.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
30 Apr 08
on that I wouldnt like him either its not fair to judge weman that way as they have to leave the home and they already have what they need to be top paid just like any man that is in thesame feild and same education for the job! ANd hes the only one from the republican side that I can see.
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@youdontsay (3503)
• United States
1 May 08
I agree. I no longer see really good choices, they have all dropped out of the running. It is a shame that our choices are determined by money. I think there should be some relation that keeps every candidate on equal standing financially so the choices are not limited to the voters. Equal pay for equal work make complete sense. Why gender should be involved in that equation makes no sense. You'd think that in this day and age that would be evident. Here we finally have a woman running for president, for goodness sake. If she is elected will she be paid less than George W.?
• United States
1 May 08
Let me correct my wording: I think there should be some regulation that keeps every candidate on equal standing financially.
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• United States
1 May 08
Good Idea. Some of the funding is coming from rather suspect areas, example Obama's fundraiser by a Pakistani couple with VERY strong Islamic ties.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
30 Apr 08
I think that's outrageously sexist and really shows how old and out of touch with the modern world this man is! He says himself about more and more women being heads of households, which shows how much they NEED equal pay for equal work. As another poster in this discussion already said, his own wife is worth many, many times more than him and I understand she's the CEO of one of her family's companies. I think this was an especially dumb move on his part particularly when he's running for President and NEEDS to pull in more of the female vote. I'm disappointed this hasn't been getting nearly the airplay it deserves and I'm not saying that merely as a McCain detractor or a Democrat, I'm saying it as a woman. Annie
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• United States
30 Apr 08
I am more than shocked at his views on this suject especially, as you said, his his wife being a woman who made a career for herself. I had been considering giving McCain my vote if Hillary did not make it as the Democratic Candidate, now I have the feeling I will not be voting at all.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
13 May 08
Thanks so much for the BR! This is a subject I feel rather passionately about as a woman who did what had been considered a "man's job" for many years. We were fortunate because the Postal Service isn't allowed to discriminate as far as pay rate but I'll tell you what, some in management are as sexist as they come. That isn't really on-topic for this particular discussion but it is as far the the sexism that still exists even in this day and age. Annie
• United States
30 Apr 08
I think that is pretty funny, since his wife, makes and is worth way more than him. I do agree with one point he made, women esp those who are heads of household do need more training and education, so they can get better paying jobs. However to just say he doesnt agree with equal pay for equal job performance is just plain sexist.
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• United States
30 Apr 08
What a dumb move to make. Women should be outraged at this.
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@Goatlady (159)
• Ireland
5 May 08
Well, its hard to say. A woman gets a partner, keeps working, then gets pregnant. She makes the choice to keep the child, then she is penalized. She must feed, clothe and provide for that child, she must educate the child, when the child tries to make wrong choices, it must be guided towards the right If there is more than one child - then again she must be penalized. She makes the choice to sacrifice and become a manager, a multi-tasker, a chaffeur, a housekeeper, a computer expert. Yet is penalized. She makes the sacrifice in the hope that these children grow up healthy, and good. These children will in turn hopefully go out to work, pay taxes, etc, and hope fund the economony and if we are able our retirements. Remember the money we put aside doesnt sit in an account waiting, its invested in futures that depends on future generations to spend and thus create a return. Men put more hours generally in the paid labor force, women in the unpaid where there is no recognition and after the family is raised, she will get barely more than a minimum wage job. Yet when she goes back for further training so that she could get a better job, there is no tax credit "because she wasnt working", then after all that her age is going to count against her, so how do you win. Can a woman get at least pension credits while raising children? Nope - not in the US right now - Im not sure what countries do ?
@palonghorn (5486)
• United States
1 May 08
My mother asked me the other day who I was going to vote for, I told her I was going to vote for a write in Robin Williams! lol I think he would make a better president then the choices we have now. So will you join me.....Robin Williams for President!!
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• United States
1 May 08
Have you been watching his movie "Man of the Year"? Perhaps you are not too wrong in your choice.
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@Hatley (164485)
• Garden Grove, California
1 May 08
whiteheather there goes my support for McCain as that is so totally hogwash. women deserve equal pay for equal work along side men. McCain makes no sense to me.thats just political hogwash leading to more lawsuits.what a bunch of crap.I almost thought he might be the one but this proves otherwise to me. I hate the choices we have this year . I truly do not know who to vote for unless HIlary shows more spunk.
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• United States
1 May 08
As I would never ever vote for Obama I had decided to vote for McCain if Hillary did not get the nomination...now I do not want to vote for McCain.....what a lousy situation.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
30 Apr 08
Equal pay for equal work is a good idea BUT what such legislation does is pit jobs against jobs and who is harder and which is more important. Which is more important and should be paid more a teacher or Nurse? Who is worth more a CEO who creates several thousand jobs or a singer who performed for millions? Who is worth more a male or female singer? I read an article on the Medical profession and the pay difference between Male Doctors and female Doctors. Females made about 90% of what a male made. Not fair, until you look at the work week and the length of time worked. Females averaged working 35 hours per week while the male averaged 54 hours. Females worked until age 57 (average) and the male worked until age 70 (average). Using these figures a woman would work in her lifetime an average of 50,400 hours while the male works in his lifetime an average of 103,680 hours. Based on this the female needs to take a 50% pay cut.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
1 May 08
Annie several years ago when this discussion came up it was comparing job to job that was the issue. The Nurse vs Teacher was one of the arguments used. They also compared construction workers to secretaries. It was a job to job comparson as well as the same job. I think that there are other factors that come into play when you compare the pay difference. Many of the stats used look at (for example) a male Auto worker makes $78,542 on average and a female worker doing the same job makes on average $72,895. When you break it down you find that a male with 11 years on the line is making the same as a female working on the line for a base pay. It depends what the researcher puts into the formula - do they count overtime men accept more over time than women. I think that a worker should be paid on the same basis for doing a job. It cold be argued that a single person with no children is paid less than a married person or a person with children because of the health insurance that an employer may pay. Do we make the company pay the childless person more to equal it out?
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• Indonesia
2 May 08
What I would have to say is that “the guard is changing” in every places of this world. Good leaders passed away, worse leaders come on the way to replace their position. Sad to hear such news from your country, but my country’s not better either. I would say that almost every candidate is just the same on their policy or type. I’m getting pessimistic towards my own country’s next candidates. We would have our election next year and I just feel that no matter where the candidates come from, democrat, republican, and secular or even from religious one, the choices of the candidates and their policies are just getting worse day by day.
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• United States
1 May 08
That article is really intersting. I had no idea. I was strongly leaning toward McCain, now, I'm unsure again. We really are chosing the best of two evils. Wow, this is such a powerful election year, that could make or break our country and it seems that things get worse and worse every day. I can't believe that in this day and age, anyone would think that equal pay for women isn't fair and the right thing to do. Thanks for opening my eyes. Hugs.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
30 Apr 08
that is totally backward and disgusting, women work just as hard as men and why should they be paid any less. I have seen in the past were two people hired for the exact same job, and the man will make 5,000 a year more than the woman, there is no excuse for that, it wasn't hauling heavy boxes, it was pushing a pencil in an office.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
1 May 08
Maybe you should read what the bill is. The bill says nothing about equal pay for women doing equal work. That is already covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990, and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. This law is based on a Supreme Court Decision that said the lady filed her suit after the Statute of Limitations ran out. If she wanted to file a complaint she has to do it in a timely manner. This Bill would change the statute of limitations. This is an example of Using a headline to cover the change that is to be made. Here is the government link to the information on the bill. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.02831: Be ready to spend some time sifting through the legal stuff. Never mention in any part that I read was it mentioned that it was dealing with equal pay for women. By holding up a victim you make it look like you are doing something for the victim when you are doing nothing to help her. I believe that the trial lawyers will be the ones that will gain in this. It will give them more time to file the law suit and to look new things to sue over in these acts.
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• United States
1 May 08
I did read what the bill is. Your link does not work. My link to the actual bill does work. BTW you say "If she wanted to file a complaint she has to do it in a timely manner. This Bill would change the statute of limitations" That is ridiculous. She had 180 days to file but did not know she was being discriminated against until TWO years later!! Her employer had hidden that information from her. When I read the following information. I still conclude that it is discrimination based on gender. The Legislation: The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other anti-discrimination laws to clarify at which points in time discriminatory actions qualify as an “unlawful employment practice.” According to the legislation, unlawful conduct occurs when: “(1) a discriminatory compensation decision or other practice is adopted; (2) an individual becomes subject to the decision or practice; or (3) an individual is affected by application of the decision or practice, including each time compensation is paid.” The law further states that individuals may receive back pay as compensation for discrimination that occurred up to two years preceding the filing of a charge. This legislation clarifies that employment discrimination law should be interpreted the way courts have traditionally understood it – until the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a more restrictive interpretation in the 2007 Ledbetter V. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. decision. In this case, the Court ruled that plaintiff Lilly Ledbetter was not eligible for compensation despite years of being paid far less than her male peers and even some male subordinates. According the Court, unlawful discrimination had occurred only when her employer first set the discriminatory pay rate, even though Ledbetter had no way of knowing about it until years later. Under this ruling, since Ledbetter’s employer was able to conceal the discrimination for years and she did not find out about the discrimination until it was too late to file a complaint (within 180 days of the first discriminatory paycheck, according to the Court), she had no legal recourse. By reaffirming that a fresh discrimination offense occurs each time an individual is impacted by a discriminatory practice, including each paycheck that includes unfair compensation, this legislation effectively reverses the Supreme Court’s harmful decision and ensures that people subjected to discrimination in the future will continue to have effective recourse to the law. http://www.themiddleclass.org/bill/lilly-ledbetter-fair-pay-act-2007
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
6 May 08
One of the questions that needs to be asked is "Did She feel that shew was being discriminated against during the time she was working for the company or only after she found out that some men made more than she did?" In most companies you will have your review and you will get your raise. You have two choices accept it or look for another job. Should I sue for discrimination because I have two Masters Degrees and make less money than a Factory worker, with only a high school education, for GM working on the line? She could have left the company and offered her services to another company for more moeny.
• United States
6 May 08
How could she feels discrimated against when she did NOT KNOW that she was not being paid a salary equal to males doing the same job!!! That is the whole point of this discussions. SHE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL AFTER THE 180 DAY LIMITATION WAS OVER!
@MsTickle (24993)
• Australia
3 May 08
What McCain is saying here doesn't make a lot of sense. Doesn't he realise how many people he will offend and get offside because of antiquated sexist ideas like this? I've been rather alarmed for sometime in your choices of president. But how did you get them? Surely the majority of the people have voted for them so far? Isn't that how it works?
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• United States
6 May 08
Sure he did , what do we expect from him and why do we expect better . That is the same guy who wants to stay in Iraq till forever , he doesn't mind any thing , however big the number of kids we are loosing there , he doesn't care. He forgot how it felt to be at war I guess.