Property in another country,

@winterose (39887)
Canada
June 29, 2008 4:49pm CST
This is a true account, but I will not give any details because it is about my boyfriend, and he likes that the least information possible be given out on the Internet about his origin etc. The story start by my boyfriend knowing his father had property in another country. However, he thought the government had seized the property when his father died in his homeland about 20 years ago, so my boyfriend just never bothered to attempt to get his inheritance. Out of the blue this so called cousin on the father's side calls my boyfriend and this is a man that he has never spoken to in is life. The cousin delivers the message, “act now, as you are about to lose the property; it is going up for auction soon and anyone can buy it. Make me the authority to do the selling for you.” Alarm bells rang in my head, this so called cousin has never spoke to my boyfriend in his life and suddenly he wants to be executor of the estate? My boyfriend he thinks he is doing it out of the goodness of his heart and a sense of family, which is very important in the east where he comes from. Okay you might think that I am overreacting, but the plot thickens. The cousin did tell my boyfriend to call up the embassy in charge of these matters, a plus for him, and a confirmation for my boyfriend that the cousin is on the up and up. Well again there is more to this story. The cousin then wanted a letter stating that he could have access to my boyfriend father's bank account. I was leery before of this guy, but now as far as I was concerned, my suspicions were confirmed. I told my boyfriend the cousin was a crook and just wanted to steal everything right out from under him. If my boyfriend gave him full execute power he would have that right. I urged my boyfriend to get a legal document spelling out that the cousin had authority to oversee the sale of the property and nothing more. I told my boyfriend I am very good at these things, but I wanted a lawyer to do it to make sure every legal loophole was closed. My boyfriend said yes, yes, but I don't think he believed me. Now going by the “act now or lose the property claim”, my boyfriend was dragging his butt on this and I am hounding him on it. The property is worth at least $4,000, 000 or more. So I am bugging him to act on the tip before he loses his property out from under him. I also told him not to go with this cousin. He is a crook; I can feel it in my bones. I am talking unto I am blue in the face about not using this cousin who only has his own interests at heart. After all, why does he need access to my boyfriend's father's bank to make a sale? It is fishy to me. It sounds like he wants to clean up, and steal the inheritance from my boyfriend. My boyfriend finally went down to Ottawa, to the embassy, but found out that he had to get other papers besides the passport he carried on him for identification. I told my boyfriend, that he would need his birth certificate, and proof of his father's death, proof that the property is owned by the father etc. long before he had gone to the embassy; they pretty much asked the same. He wasted a day from work to go to Ottawa just to find that out. Now again my boyfriend turns to this mysterious cousin and asked him to get the birth certificate from the country. The cousin gets the birth certificate and says it cost S750.00. I am yelling at my boyfriend, can you not see that the cousin is a crook? When he tells the embassy over the phone, they too tell him that this cousin is not honest, it does not cost that much for a birth certificate. They refer him to a lawyer here in Canada, to get the legal information in this situation. Meanwhile, three months of going back and worth, bearing in mind this property was allegedly going to auction, yet nothing is done. My boyfriend is a procrastinator, and his cousin is a crook, not a good mix to get things done legally. Does my boyfriend go through the lawyer the embassy suggested? Of course not! He says he has no money, which I know is true. However, I tried to show him some viable options. I said he could offer the lawyer the fee after the transaction occurs. Or if that doesn't work; take out a loan from the bank backed up with the sale of the property as collateral. I also suggested finding out and contacting the real estate, bank, insurance, government or whatever holding company is in charge of my boyfriend's business and do the transaction through them to eliminate the cousin completely. Does my boyfriend go that route? By now you have guessed it, again he does not. Instead he waits on his brother who is an American citizen to contact a lawyer there. The brother sends a letter drafted by the lawyer supposedly to outline what power the cousin has in the sale of the property. This is something I was asking my boyfriend to get from the beginning as well. However, that is an American lawyer, and as a Canadian, my boyfriend has to have things done by a Canadian lawyer. Okay, the draft could have been done by anyone with legal expertise, but as I said to my boyfriend, if it goes beyond that, you have to go with a Canadian Lawyer. The cousin is calling my boyfriend five and six times a day, hounding him to get the paper, and my boyfriend has to go back to the embassy with his papers and documentation. Keep in mind my boyfriend heard about the “act quickly or your property will go up for auction” over three months ago. Do you believe this cousin was sincere in his help or is a crook wanting to steal the property out from under my boyfriend? Do you have any other suggestions to help in getting things done? Are you a procrastinator? Do you have any property outside of your own country?
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16 responses
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
30 Jun 08
For someone who doesn't have any money, your' boyfriends' whole attitude is perplexing. You may just have to step back and let him learn the hard way since he isn't responding to being pushed. You could contact his brother or mother and have one of them handle it since it is their' inheritance too. Maybe they could give your' boyfriend his share. The cousin though, man! It's obvious what he is after. It seems like he just sees an opportunity and intends to take it. ALL of it. I wish you luck! That situation would frustrate me out of my mind if I were in your' shoes! You try to help people because you care and all you get from it is a headache!
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
I am only the girlfriend, I cannot do anything, the family had a family meeting about it and the property is to go to my boyfriend so he has to handle it. the brotherr does not want it and the mother is way to old.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
30 Jun 08
Sounds like a bloody mess to me and the cousin is a crook in my eyes until proven innocent without any doubt left. I don't mean to hurt your feelings but I also think the cousin is far smarter than your boyfriend and doubt if your boyfriend was the one trying to pull this much wool over the cousins eyes well let's just say Not Going To Happen. I don't know your boyfriend but it makes me wonder if he doesn't trust a womans point of view. You have definately shown here that you know your stuff and if the cousin was dealing with you, you would have told him to take a long walk off a short dock a long time ago. I hate cheaters and I hope the cousin doesn't walk away with it all. Good luck.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
It was in the beginning the whole family here on this side of the world, believed the cousin because in the east family is very important, now my boyfriend, obviously doesn't trust that cousin crock, he is not doing anymore business with him.
@SueRod (238)
• United States
29 Jun 08
Winterose, I understand this is an enormous amount of money/property that is in question here. I agree with all of the points you so eloquently made. Your boyfriend has his mind made up, and you did the best possible thing you could by explaining to him in every way to get him to see reason. Without stressing yourself out any further, which is perfectly understandable under these circumstances, you have kept your head on straight and have done your best to be the rational support for your boyfriend. However, at this point, I believe that all you can do is turn it over to God and let the chips fall where they may. He is an adult and has to make his own decisions and be accountable for his own actions and take the consequences however painful that may be. All you can do is emotionally be there for him whatever happens and tell him he's making a mistake but if he forfeits his inheritance it is out of your hands. I really wish I had alternative solutions or advice or suggestions. Maybe there is a MyLot member who has more expertise in law than I. I truly hope you get much more helpful responses and try to remember that everything usually works out for the best. I wouldn't procrastinate about a crooked relative to answer your question. I would pull the rug out from under him before he called again. May you get the help you need. You and your boyfriend are in my prayers. God bless and take care.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
29 Jun 08
thank you Sue you are so sweet and supportive.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Oh yes I feel like the cousin is a crook and your BF needs a very good lawyer most lawyers would take the case for probably around 40% if what your BF gets out of all this and if there still is a bank account in his fathers name why hasnt he got the money out of there by now!
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
I don't know if there is a bank account but probably because nobody bothered to claim the money and prove their identity and close the account.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
1 Jul 08
If I was your BF I would have him check that out too
@laglen (19759)
• United States
29 Jun 08
I would suggest bagging the idea. He clearly is not going to listen to you, instead he is donating the property to this loving family member. To save yourself the stress, I would forget all about it.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
29 Jun 08
no he is not giving the property to his cousin, he needs direction now, as I said he has been to the embassy once, and had to get the papers, and he has the document from his brother's lawyer, so he is not bagging the idea that is for sure.
@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jul 08
Hi Winterose, My gut feeling, intuition whatever one calls it is saying not to trust the cousin. If I was your boyfriend I would get a loan and maybe fly out to the country and sort it all myself, this way no middle man and he will know what it what. I realise he has no money but to lose this amount of inheritance is also wrong. Act quickly, 3 months passed and cousin hounding, dirupter and distraction to not give time for your boyfriend to think clearly. I hope it does get it all sorted but I am afraid I really don't have any sound advice that I can give only that I feel for you both in this situation. Ellie :D
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
no going to that country is out of the question, it has to be handled by a lawyer here in canada with connections in that country, that is the only way a transaction can take place. My boyfriend is not going to deal with that crazy cousin, that part for sure is a scam.
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@ellie333 (21016)
1 Jul 08
Good to hear that at least he has stopped dealing with the cousin. Ellie :D
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
30 Jun 08
I think the cousing is not being sincere and you should avoid dealing with him. Are you going to sell the proerty if you inherit it ? I yes,then contact a realtor in that area. There are a lot of international ones. Check on the internet. Send them a mail.They will do all the ground work for you including the legal part of it. Ask them if they could adjust the fees against the sale of the property. If not then your boyfriend will have to go to Ottawa and spend a few day and dig up and complete the formalities so that it does not go up for auction(that is if such a notice is there). Once the paer work is completed, leave your contact details with a realtor there and relax.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
yes the property will be sold, first we have to find the status on the property and my boyfriend is only at stage one which is proving his is the rightful owner of the property, that is why he has to get all his paper for the embassy in order.
@chertsy (3798)
• United States
30 Jun 08
I think your boyfriend needs to call and find out if the property is even there, that the cousin isn't lying about property that has already been taken. If the property is there and it is about to go on the auction, your boyfriend needs to call around for a lawyer that will work, and get paid when the money comes in. With the cousin, I don't trust anyone especially when it comes to a large sum of money, especially family sad to say. This cousin wants your boyfriends money. My question is, since his brother lives in America, why can't he get the lawyer to do everything on his side, since they are brother's. Also why doesn't the cousin harass your boyfriends brother, Is your boyfriend the oldest? When is this supposely auction? 3 months is really weird, in my opinion. I would be asking the cousin, I want proof of the property going on auction, date, time, etc. Might have to use tough love on your boyfriend. Tell him if he wants to give up his family fortune, then so be it. Then turn around give everything to his cousin and end it all. If not then get off your butt, get a lawyer somehow and fix this. I honestly can't stand procrastinators, I'm always in a hurry, got to get it done right then and there. It irritates me that something causes me to stop what I'm doing. All I can say is good luck, your boyfriend will be in my prayers, that this will be resolved. With the sale of the property, your boyfriend will never have to work hard ever again. Maybe then he can get you a dog, like your childhood pet.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
it's estimated worth is four hundred thousand not 4 million like a made a mistake and wrote in the article, the brothers have agreed that the property will go to Matt that is why it has to be done through Matt on this end. He is looking into the status of the property, the first step is through the embassy as he is doing, the lawyer will be the next step and that is where he is reluctant, because I believe he feels there is no property anymore, but he will check for the status through the embassy and he has to get his papers together.
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
1 Jul 08
4 hundred thousand is still a lot for a piece of property. I been reading a lot about this from Mylot and Gather, to know that your boyfriend Matt, is trying to do the right thing. I'm happy to hear that he's looking into the property to see if it's still there, and if so, when is the date that it goes on the auction market. 3 months ago, it should have already been sold off. Plus wouldn't the government or whoever does this, have to contact family members that owns the property to tell them this? The lawyer part, I can understand if you don't have the money, it can be scarey. Maybe there is a lawyer that will work for free, until the money from the property comes in, or pro bono. Or work up a deal, if a lawyer helps him, he will do his taxes for free. I'm just rumbling off ideas. Your boyfriend is in my thoughts and prayers, that he can resolve this fast with a help of a lawyer that will help.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
30 Jun 08
It kind of sounds to me like the cousin was being a little fishy to me also. I hope your boyfriend can get things done for himself quickly before the cousin does something and gets the property from him. It is so hard to trust people these days. I am not sure what he can do since I am in the U.S. I have noi clue how everything works in Canada. I am definitely not a procrastinator when it comes to things having or needing to be done. I only own my own property here in the U.S. It would be so hard for me to manage any more than that.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
it doesn't matter what country you presently live in, the laws of property pertain to the country your property is in, it is just that if you are a foreign investor, and you are not going over to the said country in question, you do need to get a representative in your country that is licensed to do business in that foreign country.
@raydene (9871)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Hi Hon Does he even know for sure that this is his cousin? It sounds like a scam to me. Every anti-scam advice I have read says to beware of anyone trying to rush you into anything. You had mentioned that family is important in the east well also so is murder of their family for honor, to inherit the throne, etc! Good luck Sweets. I hope he is able to get his fair share. xoxoxoxoxo
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
yes he knows for sure this is his cousin,
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
30 Jun 08
I would think that this definitely needs to be handled by a lawyer - take everything you have to one and let them first confirm that this whole property thing is on the up and up and then the lawyer can contact the proper people in that country to do whatever needs to be done.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
yes that is exactly what has to be done and that is what I have been telling my boyfriend.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
1 Jul 08
Unfortunately, there are always people who will take advantage and scam others. You hate to have to be on your guard at all times, but you have to protect yourself and your interests.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Jun 08
hi winterose I think you are right about this cousin of your boyfriends, he sounds like a crook, and why would he need to have anything to do with your boyfriend's fathers bank account, thats fishy as all hell.I wish I did have any suggestions as tohelp in getting things done. I am no procrastinator, but I have no legal experience either. I have never had to deal with 'propery outside of america. I think your best bet is a canadian lawyor friend who knows about property like this, maybe someone who was willing to find out just what power this cousin has on that property and go there and get these questions answered. good luck to you both and GodBless.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
the lawyer will cost and arm and a leg and my boyfriend really does not have that kind of money to dish out, so I do not know how it will all pan out at this point.
• Canada
30 Jun 08
Given the value of the property, I think your boyfriend should make a trip home to investigate and make a quick sell (there are tax consequences but accountant take suggest some ways to minimize them). There are limits to the lawyer. To the best, a lawyer can draft some legal documents to protect your boyfriend. However, if anyone in another country mishandles your bf's money, it will be expensive even if he can get his money back.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
he cannot go in person, we have been advised that the lawyer that handles this kind of property law in our country will either go or have a representative in that country that can handle things.
• Philippines
30 Jun 08
good day..But if ever I have I won't let it slip my hands. I mean I'll do every legal means to have it as it is rightfully mine. I won't just trust anyone specially someone I've never met to represent me or give him any power to mingle with intricate things like my father's bank account or sensitive documents. and most of all I won't procrastinate not with this kind of stake.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
yep the if there is any truth, the property might slip away, but my boyfriend is at stage one, which is to get his papers together to prove he is the rightful owner.
• Canada
29 Jun 08
It does sound fishy to me. In reading a past article of yours somewhere else, I know the place to which you reer, and before I met my husband, I was dating a man from he same country. He told me such stories, and how his own family had been triked in a similar maner. Please tell your boyfried that I know someone from the same area who had a similar experience, and this friend's stories from the past leads me now to agree with you, on this one.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
29 Jun 08
thank you hon, I will certainly tell him, he is at this point in agreement that the cousin is a crook, but it took the embassy to tell him for him to believe it, just my word was not enough for him.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Yikes winterose, this is an awful lot to digest here...LOL As I was first reading this, this scenario almost sounded like one of those scam things one gets in a email.....first if anyone should deal with the property whether to sell or auction it should be your boyfriend, not this "cousin" who your boyfriend doesn't know from Adam and the idea of making him in charge of your boyfriend's father's bank account, that's really pushing it. Oh and I just love how the cousin claims that the birth certificate will cost $750...what's it printed on? Pure gold ink? Birth certificates usually run $15 or up to $25 tops. But yup, you better get your boyfriend to shake his butt and get going with doing something....it could be too, once your boyfriend can secure a Canadian lawyer he might be able to press charges against the cousin for grand theft larceny since that's what it sounds like to me Am I a procrastinator? Not really...I've always been a responsible person and get my fanny moving when it comes to really important issues..sitting on my duft not doing anything and hoping things will come into my lap on a silver platter gets one no where..maybe I had this lesson drilled into me since my mother was most definitely a major procrastinator
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Jul 08
we don't know how much the birth certificate will cost in a foreign land pye we just know that the embassy said it will not cost 750, this guy is a crook, my boyfriend cannot sell it he has to be in the land to do it which means he needs representation as a foreign investor. The lawyer in canada will make the contacts necessary with that country.
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