Bush Now Agrees to Timetable for Withdraw From Iraq!

@anniepa (27238)
United States
July 19, 2008 3:02pm CST
Bush must have hired someone to come up with a new phrase so it wouldn't appear that he'd waffled on his long-held position that there could be NO timetables for withdrawal from Iraq because it's now being calling a "time horizon". "President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable." http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/18/bush-now-agrees-to-timetable-on-iraq-withdrawal-general-time-horizon/ Of course, the spin has begun. Here's an excerpt from the link above: The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks. "I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz. "All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months." End of excerpt. I'm admittedly confused here but I trust someone here will help clear it up for me. Is Bush now agreeing to a timetable or is this a case where a timetable isn't really a timetable since we all know setting a timetable is the same as "cutting and running" which would mean "losing", even though nobody has ever defined "winning" or "losing" although we've heard that if things were still going badly and there was a lot of violence in Iraq we can't leave but when things are going better and there is less violence THEN we can't leave... How about McCain, is he now for a timetable that isn't a timetable? Here's his statment: "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized." Meanwhile, this is what Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said: "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government." All this spinning is making me dizzy! Let's discuss it - who's right, who's wrong, who's now agreeing with who or is it all just a bunch of political nonsense? Annie
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@alkurishy (2069)
• Iraq
19 Jul 08
Hi dear, I am so thankful for you to start this discussion, I will not say anything you don't know. I am from Iraq forced because of the violence that happen in my country I forced to leave and come here in Egypt with my family to keep in safe place. What really happen now in all these talking about bringing troops to home, I think it is all as you say bunch of political talking before the election you will see and all the world will see that, no one of the troops will go out of Iraq even if the violence are getting less and the government of Iraq getting strong. It is a matter of the obsession of the oil's wells, and you can feel that from the prices of the oil that getting higher and higher and we don't know will be stop, sometimes I wish all these oil's wells will vanish so we can leave in peace again. I think it is in the USA government agenda to keep control the oil's well there, because till now no one know how much the real manufacturing of the oil in Iraq and no one know where it is going, and the money that get to the Iraq government to buy this oil we don't know where it is going too. So my dear we all a victim of the oil, I hope the peace for all countries and I hope God will make all the USA army return to their mothers and wives safely. God bless you all, and have a nice day.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you responding to this discussion! I wish more than anyone could ever know that we could all live in peace. I'm so sorry you had to leave your country and I hope and pray you and your family are all safe and sound now. Please, Hon, tell us all here, what would you prefer to happen? Also, if you have an idea, what do most of your fellow Iraqis want to have happen? I know we get conflicting reports here in the U.S., which you've probably noticed overflows into myLot as we certainly don't all agree on what should happen next or even what is actually happening now! Some will say the morale of the troops is very good and others will claim that's not so much the case. People here keep talking about how if the American troops leave that will mean we have lost but I don't know what is meant by that and I have no idea what it will mean for us to "win". I do know that both of our countries, yours and mine, have already lost much too much especially in terms of lives and your country has lost many innocent civilians. I'm so sorry about that, although I know that must seem rather hollow. Bless you and all your loved ones! Annie
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Bush realizes that the stronger that the Iraqi government gets - which we want!!! - the more likely they'll have suggestions about what should and should not happen in their country. I'm glad he's using that term - a time horizon - and I surely hope NO ONE defines an exact date and time for the when the troops will be all leaving. That would be so stupid. Some people think that the terrorists who have gotten away are waiting for just that announcement - so they can attack even more. History has told our leaders not to make exact predictions like that. Too bad Obama doesn't understand that. But I'm glad Bush has.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Exactly who will the terrorists, who weren't there before we invaded, attack when we leave? Annie
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• United States
20 Jul 08
Bush is being a bully most of the time, but doesn't want to look like a bad guy.
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• Kottayam, India
20 Jul 08
it is a slip of tonque ????
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@wangst (6)
• Singapore
20 Jul 08
Haha, President Bush is trying to clean up some of the mess he has created before he steps down as President. I really pity the life of the troops there, many of whom suffer from depression, stress and horrific experience from watching people get killed everyday. At least President Bush is trying to do the right thing now before he steps down...better late than never
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Well I think it's all just a bunch of political BS and what really doesn't make much sense is McCain sitting there talking about all of the changes he is going to make in 2013 after of course his second re-election ([/b]if[b] he lives that long ) but Bush on the other hand is talking about removing the troops, so is his plan (Bush) to just have another person making some fat money for the next 7 years? It's all just crap!
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• United States
21 Jul 08
Lol Democrats didn't like it when he had a time table and now they don't like that he does, if he does. I think a "time horizon" is to shut the Dems. up. About the silliest thing I have ever heard is to set a "timetable" for a war. And why does everyone have to know about it including the enemy? I wonder if they had one for the Civil war in the U.S.? The biggest danger of leaving Iraq is that it will encourage the spread of Islamism. Raging mobs will overthrow Iraq's westernized leaders. The world will still hate us and blame us when they see even more suffering there.
• United States
21 Jul 08
This article is good too. http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4782
• United States
21 Jul 08
Sorry that was supposed to go on your other topic. I guess it sort of fits here?