OMG! You Have No Idea How This Infuriates Me!

@pyewacket (43962)
United States
August 6, 2008 7:42pm CST
Alright, one I know I'm going to get people ticked off at me but I just have to speak out here. I've never been a fur wearing person, EVER. In my opinion there are so many alternatives to wearing fur, and NO this has NOTHING to do with PETA, although I do happen to be a member of not only them, but support a lot of other animal oriented organizations, such as The Humane Society Of The United States, ASPCA among some. My opinion is that the fur looks better on the animal than in fulfilling people's vanity, and yes, to me, that is all it is, sheer vanity. Most people though are under the delusion that the fur trade consists of skinning fur off of animals ONLY such as mink, chinchillas, rabbits and maybe raccoons. But did you know that many fur products are of "unknown" origins of which animal, since the source of fur doesn't necessarily have to be labeled? This is particularly true with clothing with fur trim....and chances are that fur is from cats and dogs. One of the largest fur trading countries in the world to skin cats and dogs is..sorry to my Chinese MyLotters...China. At one website I found source after source of these facts such as: (Quote): [i]According to government estimates, 500,000 garments sold in the United States every year are trimmed with bobcat, fox, rabbit, or other animal fur, potentially with nothing on the label to indicate there is any fur on the garment. With the labeling loophole in place, consumers are left in the dark; they have no idea that their new clothes may contain fur from animals—even dogs and cats—whose treatment can include being skinned alive, anally electrocuted, or held struggling underwater to drown. Long haired cats are kept as pets in China, yet ironically an estimated 500,000 short haired cats, mainly ginger or tabby colored are raised for their pelts, estimated figures are that about a half million cats are killed each season from October to February. Cat fur is hard to distinguish from other furs once it has been dyed - President of a German company prominent in the cat fur trade. HSI estimates around 2 million cats and dogs are killed for fur each year, with an estimated 5,400 cats and dogs killed in China each day. [/i] The source of this is this website: http://www.caninescorner.org/topics/dogfur/numbers.htm Then I got an email alert about the fur trade from, yes PETA...there is a video on it that shows a raccoon being skinned alive, being hung up by it's tail while being skinned...then the body is thrown on a pile of other raccoons that were skinned...the camera shows it's head rising up looking directly at the camera before it dies. The next scene is of a white dog being skinned alive...when the dog doesn't "cooperate" to the person's satisfaction, the person repeatedly stomps on its head...it's STILL not dead..finally he decides to stand on full weight on the dog's head to crush it's skull. The PETA site is here, plus that video if you have the stomach to watch it: http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp Alright, while I might not be a believer in wearing fur, can't these animals at LEAST be killed first before they are skinned? Another "big" market is for dog fur....such as in for rugs..in fact some time ago, I got an email from a friend of mine and it show a long warehouse of skinned dogs rugs to be sold in much the same fashion as bear skinned rugs and the big hoopla then was that the New Zealand ebay had several auctioneers selling these dog skinned rugs. another source of info abut the dog fur trade is here. http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/localnews/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3777805 I'm sorry, but I don't know about you but this rattles my rails no end maybe since I don't advocate fur wearing to begin with, but to see just HOW these animals are skinned is atrocious...at least for crap sake kill the animal first. Where you aware that a lot of the "fur" especially fur trim might be from cats or dogs? I mean I just don't get it. Maybe it's my part Native American blood in me riling up here....Yes, our ancestors killed animals...to eat...and yes to utilize every single part of the animal...my ancestors didn't kill animals just for their fur which the fur industry for the most part is guilty of doing.
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@howard96h (11665)
• New York, New York
7 Aug 08
This is disgusting and a damn shame what they put those poor animals through. This is what they do in China? That video has me so mad right now, I better just stop typing right now before I say some thing that I will later regret and get this whole discussion deleted.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I don't know why but the term slaughter of the innocents comes to mind. You have no idea the language I was using while I watched that video...Why do the animals have to suffer so much? Why not just kill them first then skin them?
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@LadyMarissa (12165)
• United States
8 Aug 08
With all the artificial furs, why skin them at all???
@howard96h (11665)
• New York, New York
8 Aug 08
That poor animal was still alive after all his fur was removed. There has to be a place in hell for people that do this. You know if I was there seeing this I would be in prison right now.
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@Vladilyich1 (1456)
• Canada
7 Aug 08
Natural fur isn't half as efficient as polyester. I don't understand why people still consider animal fur as being something desirable. If you want to see something even more disgusting, take a walk through of a N. American beef slaughterhouse. It's even worse than your videos. We eat this stuff at $6 a pound.
@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I've seen the videos of farm factory animals...prior to seeing them I had no idea that this was going on...
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• Canada
8 Aug 08
It's terrile what peopledo to animals all in the name of money.
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@bonbon664 (3480)
• Canada
7 Aug 08
I'm not one for fur wearing either, and I can't watch those videos, they will repulse me. I find that I can't be so against fur wearing when I will willingly eat steak, and wear leather shoes. SO, I feel it would be incredibly hypocrital of me to be anti-fur. I there were a way to ensure that the animals I eat and wear are killed humanely, I can honestly say I don't have a problem with it. I do however have a big problem with animal torture.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I'm by no means a "vegan" either, but don't eat as much meat as I used to. But like you I'm totally against animals being torture just for the fur industry...as I've asked, why the hell can't they at least kill the animal first before skinning it?
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@bonbon664 (3480)
• Canada
7 Aug 08
I have no idea, it's sick. I can't imagine that it's a more efficient way of getting fur. I have a down jacket, and I'm starting to feel guilty about that too.
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@littleowl (7157)
8 Aug 08
OMG Pye this is awful and so sickening how can man be so cruel I don't wear fur for that reason and think it is terrible the way the animals are treated without being skinned alive-it makes me sick to see what man can be like to our beloved animals tame or wild-HOW would man like it IF it was them being skinned alive for leather-why can't the people who do these despicable things to innocent animals as you once said in one of your other discussions WHY can't animals be put in our place and we can be the hunted rather than the hunter bright blessings littleowl
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
8 Aug 08
You have no idea the language I was using while watching that video....yes, it saddened me like no end, but it made me angry as hell to think people could treat animals like this just to get their fur--would like to skin them alive!
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Firstly i do not like fur to wear..It is not the climate for it where i live & i would not wear fur if it were..The raise and kill animals for their fur seems cruel to me...I don't really know anyone that has a fur coat anyway,but i am sure it is vainity like you said..I did own a fake fur once that an old b/f gave me but it was not real fur,but if someone is so prone to wear fur to me the fake kind is made so close to the real thing a person could never tell...I would never hurt any animal my self,but i do know that animals have been killed for food...I am not a big meat eater except for turkey,chicken & pork but even that i am not a big eater of...I have seen some novelities that i think was real cat fur,and i would not doubt it for an instant...I am against animal cruelity of all kinds...I will not have anything to do with dog fighting or chicken fighting,to me that is very cruel,but i do know it goes on...It really makes me mad to even hear about it...
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Well I'm here in the NYC area so it does get cold, but never that bone-chilling cold to justify wearing fur...every time I see a woman wear a fur coat I want to start yelling at her about how many animals were killed just for the fur to make that coat. I've mentioned elsewhere here too, did you know some cat toys are made of cat fur? Isn't that a bit sick? I think it is
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@jwfarrimond (4475)
7 Aug 08
I posted a discussion on this subject over a year ago, http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/930184.aspx It did not attract must attention, but there's a link there to some truely horrific videos of the fur farms.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I'm sorry I missed this discussion...I actually have been aware of how cats and dogs have been used in the fur trade....but I didn't know just how these animals were killed....being skinned alive. That's what infuriates me the most I think
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@irisheyes (4375)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Just couldn't bring myself to read the parts about the animal torture. I confess that I once even wore fur. Just once. It was one of those sheepskin lined in shaggy fur things that were all the rage in the 1970's. I looked so damn stupid and I'm ashamed that I did that. I would never wear a fur coat now. Not even if I was offered an expensive coat. I don't see any reason for wearing fur at all. It's no warmer than down and doesn't look half as nice as a good cashmere blend. Still, I do wear leather shoes and usually carry a leather purse which makes me feel like a real hypocrite. (We also still eat a little meat but we're working on that.)
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Every time I see a woman (or man) wear a fur coat I feel like screaming..."Do you have any idea how many animals were killed for your vanity?" I'm far from being a vegan myself, and like you am cutting down. But the idea of skinning those animals alive is what really got me..wonder how people would feel it they were skinned alive?
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@bunnybon7 (33941)
• Holiday, Florida
7 Aug 08
i've never worn fur either. even when i once could afford it. i dont see the attraction. a nice chiffon type clothing is more to my taste. i would say thanks for letting me know, but i'll probably have nightmares now, as theres nothing i can do about it aside from not wearing/buying fur, which i've never done anyway. its just so sad what people do with creatures god gave us to enjoy for teir beauty while alive.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I'm not a particular fan of hunters in general period either. Yes I can see if a person hunts and actually eats the animal, but I actually used to know this woman whose boyfriend mainly did "trophy" hunting...that is just kill the animal and not eat the meat...she even had a stuffed deer's head in her living room..grrr.I shoot animals...with a camera only
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• United States
7 Aug 08
There is no way I would make it thru the videos without losing my supper. I almost didn't make it thru your post. But I most certainly agree with you. If these animals are going to be used for fur then at least have the decency to kill them first! There unfortunately are many human beings who have no concept of mercy, respect, decency or empathy for their fellow living beings.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
We don't seem to have much compassion for our own species either....just look at history and how mankind has tortured it's own kind...and heaven knows what is still going on that we don't hear about
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@4mymak (1796)
• Malaysia
7 Aug 08
we dont need to wear fur in this country... i fully understand why the eskimos or people living the coldest parts of the world need to wear fur to keep themselves warm... alos agree that way, way.. back then.. people killed animals for their meat - then - used the fur, bones and fat... for other uses... coz' they had no other alternatives.. i dont understand.. why does fur has anything to do with 'fashion'... why need to slaughter animals just for fashion ?? man are 'selfish beings'.. !!
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Like you said unless a person really lives in very, very cold climates and maybe fur would be better I don't see why people have to wear fur...I remember years and years ago, when my mother, grandmother and I would go to "festive" events like a concert, ballet, nearly all the women be wearing floor length mink coats...uh, it's not THAT cold in NYC
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7 Aug 08
Hi pye, Thanks for the info I swa a televsion doc., a while in china they were boiling cats alive andd that has given nightmare for a long time, I think it is the most disgusting a human beig can to an animal for vanity, how would they like me jump on their head and kill them, no they won't like that so why do it poor animal. People who wear those fur clothes should be force to watch these programms. It makes me sick, if people never buy fur products then they won't make money on these poor animals. Why do you think I prefer animals to humans? Bright Blessings Tamara
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I've seen videos like that too. Yes, it would be great if people who wear furs watch such docs or videos. You're like me...I've always preferred animals more over humans
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@1grnthmb (2063)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I do not believe in the use of animals for cloths. The only exception I have is leather that comes from cows that are also used for meat. It would sicken me if it came form an animal that was not used for food. I agree that it is vanity when people want to use fur from animals. It is supposed to be illegal her in United States but yet unless the animal is on the endangered list it is over looked. Rabbits are used for food but I still would not buy a rabbit fur anything. I did not have the stomach to watch the videos. It is wrong to skin an animal when it is still alive. Totally wrong. And Inhuman. And for people to use dogs and cats is really really wrong. That is just not exceptable.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
12 Aug 08
One has to be careful about "leather" too hate to say it. Now it used to be true that all leather was made of cowhide...not anymore...remember reading where some "leather" is made from frog skins, ostriches..sheesh...
@1grnthmb (2063)
• United States
12 Aug 08
Yes, But I always make sure to stick with cow. I once was given a wallet for a precent that was made form some other animal. It took it to the store where it had been ourchased and told them I wanted to exchange it for real leather and they let me. It was quit a while back and I do not remeber what it was but seems like it was alligator. My brother was mad at me for returning it but I did not want to have leather from an (at that time) indangered species
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
7 Aug 08
yes I do beleive that they need to kill the animals first. and I only wear Faux fur. Have one coat that looks like leopard . If they kill this many a day in CHina why were they rounding up the animals to get them off the street before the 8th? I know thereare alot of dogs and cats every where but dont seem to reason they can have that many to kill per day. and boy I wish I had those racoons to eat nice big pot of dumplings
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I wonder what they do, do with the carcasses of the animals? Just trash them? At least if they were also used for food and not just the fur it'd be different, but still think they could at least kill the animals before skinning them...to skin them alive is totally barbaric
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
8 Aug 08
lets hope they do feed someone with the meat! and yes like I said I do think they should kill them first!
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@winterose (39931)
• Canada
10 Aug 08
I used to work for fur dyers and dressers years ago, but there isn't much of a fur trade in montreal anymore. NO I would never wear a fur coat and I have worn a hat with fake fur but that is it. I don't even wear suede anymore, and I can't afford real leather shoes anyhow.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
12 Aug 08
Probably with all this infuriation I feel about the fur trade it might sound like a contradiction that I actually do use suede in some of my craft projects as they are Native American based...so no real way to get out of that...I always make sure that the leather/suede I use for my crafts IS cowhide....some leathers are made out of frog skins and ostriches among a few things.
@hezoid (2150)
8 Aug 08
I don't wear fur, either real or fake, so there is no chance of me buying something that was real fur by accident. The only things i buy remotely like fur are those fluffy cushions you can get that are so synthetic you know they are not real, plus i check the label to see iof it states what they are made of. It's bad enough people kill animals for their fur, but when they do it with cruelty - urgh, i'd like to see then being skinned alive as a punishement for them inflicting it on a defenceless innocent animal.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I'm just betting too, that people don't realize the other barbaric means of killing animals for their fur. People are probably under the impression that animals like mink or chinchilla are "nicely" killed..uh, nope. Started reading up on that as well...the most common way to kill those types of farm/ranch raised animals is by anal electrocution or poisoning....
• Canada
8 Aug 08
My sister is not on MyLot, but if she was, she'd be raising a ig stink about this one. I et if I told her aout this se'd go get a computer just to join you in your fuy. I love my pets, and I can't imagine them eing skinnned and worn as fur. Mind you in China they also EAT dogs and cats so they probably think that the animal isn't being wasted. Why eat dogs and cats when thee is plenty o ohe stu out there to eat? Why wear fur when ther are plenty of other things to wear that will keep us warm? It's just not right!
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Yes, I'm aware that dogs and cats are eaten as well...but as you point out there are so many other animals to eat. Cats are usually eaten there as they are considered aphrodisiacs...
7 Aug 08
I have also always been interested in animal welfare and donate to several charities. Being disabled I cannot go on demos but have written to some of the government who approve or condon this cruelty. The only reason an animal should die for human use is for meat and then they should have had good living before they are killed and be killed humanly. Mind you I could probably be called hypocritical for eating meat.
@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
It's unfortunate that most animals raised for food consumption are also treated horribly....have you ever seen videos of farm factories? I'm by no means a vegan either and do eat meat, but when I do I buy organically raised meats...but even then, I'm trying to cut down on eating meats
@di1159 (1580)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I couldn't even finish reading your post Pye, I was so upset. Any form of torture, towards any living creature is unthinkable. How anyone has the heart and stomach to do these things to helpless creatures is a thought I cannot fathom. I suppose at one time fur was considered a fashion statement and maybe in some parts of the world it still is, however with all the alternatives available, I think that synthetic fur is the way to go since I'm sure its easier to work with, can be dyed to specific colors and probably provides more warmth, not to mention that its a lot cheaper too. Your ancestors killed animals for totally different reasons, out of a necessity and always with respect and dignity. It's amazing with all the blood and gore shown on our media outlets, they choose to totally ignore this issue and only pick on PETA when their protests are extreme. There has to be a way to take further action against this.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Yes there really are so many alternatives to any kind of fur...it's just not necessary to wear it nowadays when we have so many synthetics and "fake fur" And yes, PETA often gets a bad rap when they come into the news of their protests which admittedly sometimes does go into extremes...but without organizations like them, most people wouldn't even know what was really going on in the animal world and the cruelties.
@thedaddym (1737)
• United States
7 Aug 08
That is disturbing. I don't think it is really right to kill any animal to wear. But killing domestic animals such as dogs and cats is just sick. Thank you for sharing this.
@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I bet most people don't even know that a lot of the fur in fashion is from dogs and cats.
• United States
7 Aug 08
Anything we can do to stop this?
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Well one is to simply boycott buying anything made of fur. Two, spread the word with your friends and have them join in the boycott. And who knows, write various fashion designers not to use fur in their clothing. Most fashion designers have websites and a "contact us" link...pressure them not to use fur anymore in their clothing and mention you plan to boycott their clothes until they make good with not using fur..many top designers have stopped the use of fur