jesus = god

@Arkie69 (2156)
United States
August 7, 2008 7:52am CST
In the past few years I have heard this many times and I just can't buy it. If we truly believe what Jesus said then Jesus and God were not one and the same. Too many things in the Bible indicate that Jesus was exactly what He said He was, The Son of God. Jesus made the statement that He wasn't good. He said that only one was good and that was the Father in Heaven. Jesus also said that his power came from God. Also is Jesus and God were the same then who spoke to Jesus the day he was Baptized saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. There are just too many things in the Bible that suggests Jesus was not God. In the 10th chapter of Acts Jesus and God both spoke to Peter. This was after the death of Jesus. I think it is just another case of people "adjusting the Bible" to fit what they believe.
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• Philippines
18 Aug 08
Jesus is God. God is Jesus. That is why there's the existence of the Triune God. Coz Jesus is God the Son who is also the same as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. There are lots of accounts that will prove this. As for me, I believe in this.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
18 Aug 08
Jesus is exactly what he said he was, the Son of God. Don't forget Jesus was a flesh and blood man just like you and I. He was God's example to us of what He could do with man. If Jesus is God then who spoke to Jesus the day he was Baptized? Why did Jesus say only one was good and that was our Father in Heaven. They were of one mind for the simple reason God personally taught Jesus his truth during the 40 days Jesus was in the wilderness. Jesus was taught by his parents until the day he was Baptized then God took over his teaching.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
18 Aug 08
PS: Read the 10th chapter of Acts. You will see where God and Jesus both spoke to Peter. If they were one and the same that couldn't happen.
• United States
8 Aug 08
Another important instance of God the Father and Christ appearing separately: Acts 7:55, as Stephen was being stoned for preaching to the Pharisees: "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God."
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Thanks Shenlon. I was looking for that verses this morning and couldn't find it. I can't find nearly enough in the Bible to justify anyone believing Jesus and God were one and the same. As you no doubt know how things like this can start just because someone liked the sound of it and then started repeating it. Most of us are much too eager to accept something as truth just because of where it came from. I am very careful any time I hear someone speaking on any Christian subject. It's real easy to get off on the wrong foot sometimes. We can get into serious trouble any time we put too much value on any man's teaching. Even the best of men make mistakes.
• Philippines
8 Aug 08
Jesus is a God, just like He who sent him, His Father.. just like what is writtenin John 1:1, "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." .. so, it pertains to two different supreme being, there were two Gods in this chapter. and as you continue reading the verse on John 1:14, the other "God" which is Jesus, it states there that "and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten o the Father,) full of grace and truth.".. so it's very clear that there's two individuals here, the Father,who sent the Word, and the Word, which is Jesus.. Another common verse that would justify that Father our God is different from Jesus, is Genesis 1:26 "and God said let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:.." If Father and God is really a one person, then He will not use the word US and OUR, meaning God is talking to another being that have the same image as His, meaning He is also a God.. after all if Jesus and God is one person, then He'll just say there that "I will make man from my own image" But He uses those words because they really are different from one another... have you noticed, that in Genesis, Jesus existed already.. Jesus is already present from the first creation of God, just like what is said in John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him wasa not any thing made that was made"..
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Jesus is not a God. He is the simple Son of the only God. There is to be only one God. The Bible tells us to not worship more that one God and that one is our Father in Heaven.
@academic2 (7009)
• Uganda
7 Aug 08
Jesus,is God the Son-understand him simply as God the Son and you will save yourself the mental agony of trying to understand God-God is beyond metar-physics-you begin to bring any other philosophical perceptions in understanding God, you will move in circles and further escalate you concptual inadequacies-spare all that and deal with these matters by faith and stop questioning such an abstract subject as the relationship between God the Father and God the Son! You will be dealing with the riddle of who came first, was it the egg or the chicken?
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I wouldn't go that far. However I don't believe the Bible is absolutely correct. Man has done a lot of hashing and rehashing on it in the past 2,000 + years. I do believe though enough of it is still correct to get us where we need to go if we are depending on God to show us the truth about it. You can take a half dozen red letter Bibles and some of them will be slightly different. Some of it is done by different publishers and different translators. I use the Standard King James version for the simple reason it has been messed with by man less than some of the others. I also know that God can personally teach us a lot that isn't in the Bible.
@djoyce71 (2512)
• Philippines
7 Aug 08
I believe in what you have read in the Bible. It's clear that Jesus is not really God, because there's only one true God, a spirit. Jesus was born and therefore is a man. God gave Jesus the power to spread and preach His teachings. Jesus was a flesh and blood, and was not spirit like God.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
7 Aug 08
That's the way I see it to. People believe this because of one scripture. Jesus made the statement if you had seen him you had seen God. He simply meant he was like God but not God.
@abbey19 (3129)
• Gold Coast, Australia
8 Aug 08
Jesus and God are not one and the same - there are too many instances related in the Bible that indicate they are two separate beings, and I am shocked that people can think that they are one person. As you say, I think too many people "adjust the Bible" to fit what they believe - they should take the wool off their eyes and see the truth for what it is. Good discussion Art.