I am distrubed. .

@Aurone (4758)
United States
August 11, 2008 1:24am CST
Today I watch a 1 hour segment on what they call Honor killing this is were Arabian men usually of the Muslim faith kill their daughters because of something they believe they have done to shame their families, like getting a divorce, or having a boyfriend. They sited several instances in the US and estimate that thousands of women in the world are killed this way. But no one is doing anything about this human right violation. I don't think this is right and something needs to be done about it. I am all for religious freedom, until you start killing because of it. What do you think about this? You can read about one of the honor killings here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400421,00.html It took place in Georgia.
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• India
11 Aug 08
Before you come to any conclusions and before the Muslims of this site roast you alive for coming to such conclusions, let me say that honour killing has more to do with tradition and culture and less to do with religion. Honour killing is unique to a region of Asia where women are regarded as family properties and not individual and this belief is irrespective of religion. However, the sad coincidence is that the region where such killings take place is dominantly Islamic, hence we associate this brutal human right violation mainly with Islam. Truth is that in India and Indian families too (Hindu families) honour killing takes place though not at the same rate as in Muslim families. Patriarchal society has trained itself to treat women as commodities to be enjoyed by men and you will find such references in all religions books that women have been created by God to be enjoyed and protected by men. It is such pseudo machismo that promotes honour killings whenever the men feel that the women are becoming too liberated and hence escaping their (men’s) dominance. This was there in all religions …Christianity, Islam, Hinduism (I am speaking only of major religions here…no offence anyone please) but the difference is that Christianity has moved much much ahead from its medieval roots towards progress and Hindus are trying too, but Muslims seem still to be caught in a time warp. Hence, reports of honour killings come more from within them and shock the world outside.
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
You are right. It has more to do with a culture than a religion but should you ask these men doing the honor killings (which they have asked some) they would tell you it is in the name of their religion. As I am not a major religion, I am Wiccan, I am not offended by your statement. You are right most major religions still believe that women are to be protected and owned by men. Obey thy husband comes to mind. And Baptist women still cannot be priests. But that is a step up from killing them because they are dating or getting a divorce. Thank the Goddess that I am Wiccan, where Harm None is our first rule. I think it is a horrible thing both for the women who are killed, a shame on the world because we will do nothing about it, and a shame for Islam because it has a bad enough reputation as is.
• India
12 Aug 08
Thnk the Goddess! Wow, the first time I heard that and it sure sounds nice. Wicca…I believe its one of the oldest beliefs of humanity to connect and survive with nature and natural forces. I would not say it is a religion (I primarily dislike all religions) but more of a way of life, trying to know the surrounding better, the five elements, the cosmic energy and such. And of course since the earth gives birth and nurtures all of us, there has to be a mother Goddess. Much like primeval beliefs of Hinduism and other religions (most of which are extinct now) where ‘Shakti’ or the female force was worshipped. I would like to know more about Wicca and similar other paths and am trying to look up the net for more info.
• India
12 Aug 08
Thnx for the BR
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
12 Aug 08
Oh well that is their culture and beliefs. It just the same as doing crime in your place, some ne is punished.
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
But it is not the same. Being punished and being killed is not the same. Should anyone be killed for dating? Should they be killed for getting a divorce? And if so who makes these rules and decides it is okay to kill a wife, daughter or sister because of a culture or a belief? These girls were not raised in these cultures or beliefs, they were raised in the US, born in the US and were raised in the culture of the US where these kinds of things are considered to be wrong.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
12 Aug 08
Oh I am sorry I did read the article before posting a response, yeah I think there something wrong with the man. I thought this has happened in some Muslim country.
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
11 Aug 08
One of the responces in a way, defended the killings by saying that the christians used to do this, but have moved passed this and the muslims just haven't progressed that far yet. Yeah and there used to be stoning in the Bible too! Just how long is it going to take them to get there? Believe it or not, this is supposed to be a modern world, everywhere. They have brother muslims all over the world to talk with and get updated opinions. Where are their brother muslims? Why isn't someone helping them into the 21st century? No one else can help them change because they will listen to no one except another muslim, so get with it brothers!!! Shalom~Adoniah
@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
What an excellent comment. Thank you.
• India
12 Aug 08
Hi Adoniah, Sorry for butting in, but if you are referring to my response, then yes only Muslims can save themselves but the brothers are more interested in protecting patriarchy than developing themselves. There is no hope when a minister from Saudi Arabia endorses the engagement of a girl child by citing the example of the Prophet Muhammed who got engaged to his wife Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine! Can you believe it?! Prophet Muhammed did it in medieval Asia (when marriageable age for girls worldwide was low enough) and this is the 21st century yet they see nothing wrong in it. My granny got married when she was 9 and left for my grandpa’s home when she was 13 and by 14 she was a mother. Do we continue with this tradition even today? As I said, there is no hope for the Muslims and together with them, they are dragging us all down… BTW…I see you have written Shalom…do I take it that you are a Jew? If so, then I would like to interact with you more on religious matters.
• China
12 Aug 08
yes you are right .i think nan and woman should be the same .the woman should not be killed because they have boyfriends
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
Thank you for your comment.
@worldwise1 (14887)
• United States
11 Aug 08
Yes, Aurone, I have heard of these so-called "honor killings," and the very idea makes me sick. I know of 2 cases that happened here in the United States last year. It's funny that they manage to keep these things mostly out of the mainstream press. That is why I get the majority of my news from late-night talk radio where people are not afraid to discuss any and everything. I've found that so many sins have been committed in the name of religion down through the ages that there is little wonder why so many people don't wish to have any part of it.
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
Yes, you would think that these would make bigger news. The special I saw was on Fox News. And I agree with you about people not wanting to be associated with religions because of what they have done. The Crusades and the Inqusition come to mind. Christianity's views on women is the reason why I converted from it to Wicca. I felt I could not be the strong woman that I know I am and be subjegated by my religion. So I found a more accepting, balanced religion.
• United States
11 Aug 08
Sick, just sick. Some of these religions treat women like nothing but property. Religions reasons or not, these murderers should have the same faith befall them!
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@spyjob (214)
• Philippines
11 Aug 08
This is insanity! he just make it appear as honor killing to avoid the law. I just hope those muslims who are educated in other country can do something to stop this gruesome, barbaric act.
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
Me too. Its a shame to shame their religion in that manner.
• United States
11 Aug 08
i am always disturbed when i hear about this ridiculous excuse to kill someone. ive even heard of families murdering their daughters because she was raped!!! can you believe that sh*t?! SHE is the victim and they kill HER for it! how twisted and backasswards could a religion be to condone such moronic actions in the name of faith?? now im not sure if the ppl who are doing these things are considered "extremest's" or not..HOPEFULLY they are..and that this isnt a practice that they all believe in still.
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@Aurone (4758)
• United States
12 Aug 08
According to the people that they had on the show last night they are considered extremists by the Muslim community. Still we are talking about thousands of women not hundreds.