How the hell is Obama even a contender.

United States
August 22, 2008 8:05am CST
I can't figure it out, Obama has less than a one year experience as a JR. Senator. He is a horrible public speaker, unless it is written down for him, He is known for disliking America, just as his wife does, he is pro-abortion, his friends and advisers are are all anti-American wackos. Yet, he is somehow propped up next to an American hero as if he is somehow even in the same league. How can you place these two men next to each other and seriously think there is a hard choice to make? Has the whole world gone mad?
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Aug 08
Obama's fame and prominence is not about his experience, or his abilities or acomplishments. It's not about his philosophies, they are certainly not any different from most democrats. Issue by issue he is in line with the rest of the party, he has just both personified and isnpired this ideal better than any other democratic candidate since JFK, possibly far more so and even better. No, Obama is not a candidate, he IS an ideal. The nation is in love with the idea of Obama. A greatly orating man who inspired possibilites.
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@wachit14 (3601)
• United States
22 Aug 08
You can say the very same thing about the Republican party. They also offer the ideal candidate for their own philosophies and that candidate better never deviate on any issues that are so vital to their extreme conservative thinking like abortion.
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• United States
22 Aug 08
Are you kidding, watchit? The Republican party hates their nominee. McCain's situation is a constant struggle to appease the conservative base, who is mad at him for his former "maverick" image. The problem is that the only way to get their support is by flip-flopping on the issues he (used to?) holds dear toward the right, which annoys independents who liked the kinds of things he was doing in 2000. The McCain of 2000 would NEVER vote for the McCain of 2008. Presently, McCain has abandoned the vast majority of his positions, just to assume new positions that flow better with the conservative base that he realized he can't possibly win an election without. This shows in polls of "enthusiasm" concerning how voters feel about their party's candidate. Obama's supporters are a LOT more enthusiastic about Obama than Republicans are about McCain: "Even among voters who said they planned to vote for McCain, more than half said they were "not enthusiastic" about their chosen candidate; 45% said they were enthusiastic. By contrast, 81% of Obama voters said they were enthusiastic, and almost half called themselves "very enthusiastic," a level of zeal found in 13% of McCain's supporters." --http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll25-2008jun25,0,5763707.story It almost seems like McCain is a scapegoat for the Republican party this year.
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@wachit14 (3601)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I really don't believe that your attitude towards other Mylotters is warranted under the circumstances. Please try to remember the terms of use here and respect other people's opinions. The attitude that "I'm the only one who is right" is really uncalled for especially in a political discussion. I could very well have more respect for you if you were more respectful of me. Thanks in advance for understanding.
@Ldyjarhead (10161)
• United States
22 Aug 08
It's totally beyond me as well. I don't think McCain is the perfect candidate either and I don't like to go with the lesser of two evils, but at this point I would vote for just about anyone that were opposite the ballot from Obama. I think the American public is in for a rude awakening. They'll get change alright ...
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@djbtol (5501)
• United States
22 Aug 08
As a conservative it is truly difficult to be excited about McCain. It is shocking to see how the Republican party continues to move away from conservative values and follow McCain. McCain may actually win, but it could be because people know how unqualified Obama is. At least with McCain there is a chance that some of his wrong positions can be swayed by grassroots input. Obama is far left and there is no changing that. Think change, think Muslim! djbtol
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• United States
22 Aug 08
Do you think you're better off now than you were in 2000? If so, yes, definitely vote for McCain. If not, then don't complain if you don't vote for Obama and we end up continuing down the same path.
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• United States
22 Aug 08
djbtol, Coburn would be surprised to learn that Obama is stubbornly "far-left", being a Republican and a partner of Obama's on passing legislation in the Senate and all... Obama is clearly able and willing to compromise with people, while McCain will just say whatever he thinks will get him a few more points in polls that day. How else do you explain that he has abandoned practically ALL his positions from his 2000 campaign?
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@djbtol (5501)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Congrats! You are obviously in the half of the country that maintains the ability to think when it comes to politics. And when it comes to Obama, you don't even need to think hard to see the disaster that he is. Personally, I think the election puts the leadership of the Democratic party in a very bad light. How could they railroad such a worthless candidate through the process? They obviously beleived that they could brainwash the electorate into voting for anyone they choose. But he does have one resounding qualification. To quote Obama directly, "did I mention he's black?" He is affirmative action personified and perfected. Why has the national media been so entirely sold out for Obama? Is it because he is a liberal democrat? Partly, but I think there is more. The media are totally caught up in the historical significance of electing the first black president, and they want to be involved. That is why they have no concern with who he really is, what he has done or what kind of president he will be. The skin is the deal! djbtol
• United States
22 Aug 08
Only people who are willfully ignorant don't know who Obama is (he's written TWO books about his life, for crying out loud) what he's done (everything he's done in the Illinois legislature and in the Senate are PUBLIC RECORD). All of Obama's policies (his energy policy alone has over TWICE as much detail as McCain's) are clearly documented on his website. You have absolutely no excuse. You keep yourself ignorant on purpose so that you can go along with the right-wing talking points. You don't know because you don't WANT to know. McCain has boasted about agreeing with Bush most of the time (and his voting record supports that), and he himself recently said he feels no need to differentiate himself from Bush. Meanwhile, Obama agrees with the majority of Americans that right now, the US is on the wrong track, and wants to bring everyone together so that we can fix what's wrong, and make what's right even better. If you think the country's better now than it was in 2008, vote McCain. If not, vote Obama. It's as simple as that. If you don't vote for Obama, you have no right to complain if McCain gets into office and continues Bush's failed policies, giving huge tax breaks to the super-rich while the working class loses their homes, and has to choose between food and gas. Choose wisely.
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@djbtol (5501)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Just so you don't think I'm totally ignorant, I'll share a few things I do know: Obama stands in favor of infanticide, partial birth abortion and abortion. Obama feels the need to tear down the U.S. every chance he gets. Obama is the first presidential candidate ever needing to explain why he would not wear a flag pin on his lapel. Obama is an arrogant elitist - The Audacity of Obama Obama plays the race card whenever it suits his fancy. Obama is more Muslim than Christian. Obama has close ties with bad people like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. Obama and Bill Ayers have secrets they are not sharing. The supposedly 'public' files are locked up at University of Ill in Chicago. Obama has no experience that would qualify him to be President, and apparently has limited intelligence. I would imagine Harvard Law School is embarassed. Obama's policies are based on the leftist/socialist agenda that results in maximum taxation, maximum government control of our lives and limited liberty for the people. Now I just have to figure out who to vote for. djbtol
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• United States
24 Aug 08
yes, Obama is an elitist and McCain is not. How many homes does McCain have again?
@esparra (62)
• United States
22 Aug 08
All I can say is...WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BUSH!!!!!!!!!!
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@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
22 Aug 08
The answer is simple, the media made him a contender. They put his face on the screen so often that his face is ingrained in people's heads. They made him the center of every debate while ignoring the more qualified candidates who attended. They vilified his closest competitor and called her a sore loser and accused her of being divisive for not bowing out immediately after Obama took the lead. The media chooses the front runners, not the American people. Just ask around and see how many people can name more than 3 democrats from the primaries.
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Aug 08
Biden, Clinton, Kusinich, Edwards, Richards, Dodd. and I'm not even a democrat, lol.
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@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Educated people like those that post in the politics section on mylot are not the norm Xfachtor. I have no doubt that most of the people here can name several, but I was referring to average people you'd see on the streets. During the primaries I had a guy asking me if Clinton was a republican. He then asked if Obama was a republican. Then he wanted to make sure that the republicans were the ones "we" wanted to get out of office. This type of cluelessness is so common it's scary. I say that as someone who's worked in voting locations for the last 4 years.
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@wachit14 (3601)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Oh I totally agree with you about the media. I'm not sure what's happened over the last few decades, but gone all the responsible, intelligent and capable news men of yesteryear. They've been replaced with bubble-headed, tabloid-loving Ken and Barbie dolls who just don't know how to discuss the issues with politicians so they, instead, look for the more sensational points to discuss as if they are deliberately trying to reach the lowest common denominator in society.
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@kenzie45230 (3563)
• United States
22 Aug 08
It is amazing, isn't it? People - and the media - are totally in love with the man. Most of what we know about him comes from a book he wrote about himself. (By the way, who decides to write a book about himself when he's so young and hasn't done anything about which to brag????)
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@donna22 (1120)
22 Aug 08
I have not read his book but I assume by what you say that the pages must obviously be blank?
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@gwoman2 (712)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hi totalcomments_com, in reading every single one of the responses that you received I think you guys, Meaning you and your responders should run for President yourselves!! LOL Whatever, whatever, I'm for OBAMA!!! RAH, RAH, RAH!! Respectfully, ~g~
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@clrumfelt (5425)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I completely agree. The way I can explain it is that people are histerically reaching out to him because they are unhappy with the way things are now. He has said the word "change" so many times that people think they are grabbing onto a lifeboat that will get them out of their bad circumstances. They're too preoccupied to see there is a gaping hole in this "boat."
• United States
23 Aug 08
Obama is a contender because instead of looking at the issues and qualifications of each candidate of being able to resolve the problems, the press has single-handedly skyrocketed this candidate into the current position. We aren't voting on issues, qualifications, experience, we are voting on age, race and gender. Every time someone said something positive about McCain, his age was brought up, every time someone said something positive about Clinton, her husband and Monica was brought up, the first negative press the public heard about Obama was when he ditched the loyal fan base of reporters and had a private conversation without out them reporting every breath he took. If we sit down and really think about who can best lead the country without bringing in race, age or gender, could read the qualifications of each person, their responses to the problems each must face, how they intend to deal with them, without any identifying features to tip the scale as to who wrote them before deciding on the candidate, we would be better off. Election time is coming up quickly, the time to REALLY evaluate our next leader is now, not after the election, and not 4 years later. We have serious problems to solve and whoever gets the presidency better be ready to hit the ground running, know where he is going and how he is getting there to solve the problems. Who will win? It won't be us, if we continue to let the press decide who they will promote in a positive or negative light to influence our decision. We need to do our own homework If Obama wins or had Clinton won, you can bet their performance will determine whether another candidate of a different race or gender would ever get the opportunity to serve as President again so lets make sure we vote based on who is best qualified to lead this country and leave race, age and gender out of the decision. The next 4 years depends on it.
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@rockkk (71)
23 Aug 08
obama has become the front runner for the post of president even though i though that hillary might ve been a better president than him i think. but he is now the front runner and no one can deny it now... so hope that he becomes a good president and lives up to the expectation.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
22 Aug 08
"Obama has less than a one year experience as a JR. Senator." George W. Bush had experience as a Governor, inarguably the closest experience to running a country one could have. And look how that Presidency turned out. I rest my case there. "He is a horrible public speaker, unless it is written down for him" Complete nonsense. On or off a teleprompter, you will never find Obama mixing up Sunni and Shia, yet McCain did that for DAYS, even AFTER Lieberman corrected him. This is one of those ridiculous "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If Obama isn't a good public speaker, he'd be characterized as being unable to handle Presidential tasks and diplomacy. And if he IS a good speaker, you get lines like "Hitler gave great speeches too". It's really pathetic how you people spin. "He is known for disliking America, just as his wife does" Again, complete nonsense. If he dislikes America so much, why did he give up a high-salary law job (which any Harvard graduate could easily get) to go back to Chicago to do community work? As for his wife, no, that's just the conclusion FOX jumped to after mangling her quote and taking it out of context. This is FOX's version, with no context: "For the first time, I'm proud of my country." This is what she actually said: "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud." See? She is talking about how she's really proud (not just "proud" which implies she wasn't proud before, but "really proud" which implies she WAS proud before, but is even more now) BECAUSE she's seeing people coming together in a greater way than she ever has before ("in my adult life", remember?). And she's right--people have been shattering voter turnout records all over the country, and that was just in the primaries, when fewer people overall care enough to vote. She's proud of the fact that people are uniting in a common goal to bring much-needed change to this country. Can you handle the truth? "his friends and advisers are are all anti-American wackos." Hagee (Catholicism is the great w.hore), Robertson (9/11 was caused by "pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way."), Falwell (same as Robertson), Parsley (the US's purpose is to forcefully destroy Islam (freedom of religion, anyone?))...all people John McCain EXPLICITLY SOUGHT endorsement from. I also don't consider it very American to rob the taxpayers of billions of dollars (see Keating Five). "Yet, he is somehow propped up next to an American hero as if he is somehow even in the same league." McCain is a veteran who doesn't care about other veterans. He opposed and didn't even bother to show up for the vote for the new GI Bill, which had wide bi-partisan support, enough to override a veto. But that didn't stop McCain from TAKING CREDIT for its passage when it (of course) passed by a wide margin! How heroic: oppose something that's popular, and then pretend you were always in favor of it when it happens, no thanks to him. The "P.O.W. card" doesn't give McCain an excuse for all of his bad decisions, empty gimmicks (gas tax holiday, anyone?), and shameless flip-flopping (I can name over SEVENTY flip-flops he's pulled since this campaign started). Of course, this doesn't mean his campaign hasn't TRIED to use it as an excuse for all of his failures. You're right, it isn't a hard choice. After eight years of Bush's failed policies, why would anyone want to vote for a guy who promises more of the same? "The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush." --John McCain "I don’t have any need to show that I’m different than President Bush" --John McCain The choice is easy: if you think you're better off now than you were in 2000, vote for McCain. If not, vote for Obama.
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@wachit14 (3601)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I have to agree with you. Neither candidate is well suited for the insurmountable job that lies ahead. McCain is as old as Obama is inexperienced. Both are inherently weak on a number of very key policies and neither has adequately addressed those policies during their campaigning. I don't know what to believe at this point. The only thing I do know is that no politician can completely be trusted. They all have their special interest groups that they must appease and those are the true causes of any presidential candidate regardless of what they say and who they are saying it to.
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• United States
22 Aug 08
Obama's campaign has taken no special interest or PAC money whatsoever, and he's implored the DNC to take the same stance. There is no special interest he would have to answer to after being elected, and this is unique for a Presidential candidate. The same, obviously, cannot be said for McCain (anyone think it's a coincidence that Hess threw hundreds of thousands of dollars his way immediately after he switched his position on offshore drilling?). Obama is an extremely unique candidate just from this alone, and his decision to eschew such contributions gives me great hope for the future of politics. He could set an example that will continue, and make our political system that much stronger. How long has it been since we've had a Presidency not corrupted to the core by corporate influence? Don't lose hope. There is a chance here. Obama is not our savior, but he could very well start the ball rolling on a new and positive direction for this nation. I see where we are, and I see John McCain traveling down the well-worn path of the politics of the past, and I want to give Obama that chance. I hope you'll eventually join me, watchit.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hello Lilwonders and Watchit, Alas, I have to agree. Would that I could be genuinely excited about our choices. I lamentingly ask the same question, Lilwonders: Is this the best that we can do?
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@donna22 (1120)
22 Aug 08
I do not know much, very little in fact about American politics but what I have seen of Barack Obama I have liked. I find him to be pleasant and charasmatic. I do not feel at all that he is a bad public speaker and felt he was unfairly treat during the Reverend Wright situation. I think to say he hates America is ridiculous. Why would he even want to be President for a country he hated? I am not even American but felt proud when so many people turne dout to see him in Berlin. Like is aid, I do not know much about the whole political side but I can cetainly see why he has so much appeal.
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• United States
23 Aug 08
Yes I totally agree with you. I dont find many Obama fans on myLot these days. People keep saying that he hates america which is so untrue. Why would he say that and risk losing the elections. I think people need to open their eyes and see the better president.
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• United States
23 Aug 08
I wouldn't say he Hates America. But I would say that he blames America for most of the world's problems. I don't think he likes the military much, But most liberals don't. This is just based on his speeches and interviews.
@mcspocky (65)
• United States
23 Aug 08
What I find difficult to believe is all the misinformation being spread around about Obama by the Republicans. If they believe that Obama is such a poor choice and McCain is so much better, why spread all the falsehoods?For an example, read this blog that dispels one such piece of information being passed around the Internet. http://ww1.yuwie.com/blog/entry.asp?id=554054&eid=411400
@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
24 Aug 08
What about all the lies being spread by democrats about McCain? He's been accused of making fun of a rape victim, never happened. He's been accused of calling his wife a c*nt, never happened. He's been called a Manchurian Candidate, ridiculous. He's even been accused of wanting to be at war with Iraq for 100 years when he said we should expect to have troops there long after the war is over as we do in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.
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@lanlan011 (701)
• United States
23 Aug 08
WAIT HOLD UP WAIT A MINUTE! NUH HUH. Obama has a wayyyy better chance of beating out McCain. First of all McCain couldnt answer one measly question. that question was "How many housed do you own" and he said he'll have someone get back with them. He knew he had 9 houses but he just didnt want to say. How many houses do Obama have 1 and soon in a few months he'll have a new house. The White House. Obama is a way better speaker. He is more prepared and he has to be the coolest person ever. I loved watching the political debates between him and Clinton because he mad Clinton look dumb. So i totally disagree with you. I will proudly rock my Obama shirt any given day.
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@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
24 Aug 08
The question wasn't really as simple as it sounded. The properties belong to his wife who's assets are actually separate from his. Many owners of rental properties are unable to name exactly how many properties they own. Even since that episode every media outlet seems to report a different number. I've heard 4, 7, 9, and 12. Obama is better with prepared speeches, but he's weak on the fly. That is where McCain excels.
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@patms1 (525)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I believe that the Democrats are tired of the Clinton's but knew she was what America expected. They knew it would take some one that the Democrats could except and still not make people mad because Clinton was being challenged. Obama fit the need because he was black and again a minority. They did not care that he is not at this time qualified. At this time we need a leader that is not afraid to show the world that we are not going to sit and talk but if need be we will fight. I am sure in a few years Obama will have the skills necessary to run the country but not now.
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• United States
23 Aug 08
If in fact you are serious, lets clear up a couple of things you have wrong. The first is that Obama is not pro-abortion, he is pro-choice, which any sane woman will tell you that it is ethically wrong to insist on laws controlling her body. Many women would not chose abortion, but not all women share a judeo-christian ethics system and the trauma to body mind and soul over a rape or a forced pregnancy that could degrade a woman's quality of life should not be left to the courts, it should be left to the individual woman. His friends and advisers actually comprise a diverse group, although I will admit that most are anti-war. I suppose that could be construed as anti-American but so is the patriot act and a variety of other abominations perpetrated on the American people under the guise of national security. Bush should be tried for war crimes as well as all the laws of the nation he has willfully broken and disregarded. The American people as a whole have gone mad, or they never would have re-elected Bush. As it happens, of the major parties, Obama is probably the least offensive choice although he is not my choice. The Libertarian candidate Christine Smith would be my choice as her platform is to undo all the anti-American policies and laws enacted by the Bush regime and return to a saner state of the union. As to McCain, that would be like re-electing Bush all over again, and we could expect never ending war, continued deterioration of civil liberties and personal freedom. Much of the ground work that Bush has done has been done before, in Germany.. when Hitler took over the country. I would rather see Obama in the whitehouse than an American Hitler in the world. One last note... you think Bush is a good public speaker??? He makes Obama look very very good. Even with it written down Bush could not speak worth a tinkers dam.
• United States
22 Aug 08
I'm not voting nor am I American for that matter but i want to comment. i was intrigued with the pcoming US Presidential elections because its the first time a black and a woman were competing to run for the democratic nomination. after the disastrous attack on Iraq as an imperialist move to stop terrorism at all cost, yeah, you guys need a change. i was rooting for Hilary though...
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• United States
22 Aug 08
The answer is simple. White Guilt.
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@mikeysmom (2094)
• United States
22 Aug 08
many of the points you make have crossed my mind as well as i gather information to make an informed choice in november. i think both choices stink to be perfectly honest and either way i think we lose. but i think we lose big time if obama gets in the white house. i think that people like him because he gives them hope for things that greatly need changing and he speaks of them at the right time in the right places. i also think that many people of color just want him in the white house because he too is a man of color. a president is nothing more than an orating figure head, a puppet if you will for the ruling, majority party. obama can say anything he wants but if congress and the senate do not back him on his IDEALS nothing is going to change. mccain does not impress me either and i have little confidence that anything will get better with him at the helm either. i was all for hilary and have been for years but this is a man's world and they did all they could to make sure she did not make it into the white house. the men have done a lousy job for a long, long time. now it is time for a woman but we will have to wait another 4 years for that possibility.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hello Totalcomments_com, I'm mystified! The only viable answer I can come up with is the power of marketing. With enough money, anyone can be 'sold' to an unsuspecting public. I will admit that I'm really, very surprised that the American Public allowed itself to be corralled into yet another 'lesser of two evils choice'. There has been a vibrant, intelligent debate in this country, for years, which has been exploring the kinds of 'real' changes that might be enacted to create a fairer, more just electoral process. Many terrific ideas have been presented, disected, and perfected. Yet, the parties screwed us again. Moreso the DNC, with its disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan. Yet, the GOP didn't safeguard against primary games either. So, both parties have failed the nation. And, the only power to change the realities of our system resides with us, We The People.
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