Has Anyone Else Here Heard McCain Was a POW???

@anniepa (27246)
United States
August 26, 2008 2:35am CST
I'm not sure if it's just a rumor that's been kept rather quiet or not but I've been hearing some whispers that GOP Presidential nominee John McCain was a POW decades ago. I've also heard that McCain has stated he didn't want to use that in his campaign which is good because I think that would be an awful thing to exploit, don't you? Who would ever try to justify every mistake anyone had ever made in their life since by saying he'd been a POW? Who could ever say someone who had been a POW shouldn't be accused of something like cheating? Certainly nobody would think that having been a POW would make it acceptable to have multiple affairs and ultimately abandon one's disfigured wife, would they? How about saying that since someone had been a POW that meant he'd earned as many houses as he could get, even so many that he can't remember how many there actually are? DEFINITELY NOBODY WOULD IMPLY THAT HAVING BEEN A POW GIVES SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO BE AUTOMATICALLY HANDED THE POSITION OF POTUS??? Would they? Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Are you freakin kidding me??? I had no idea that McCain was a POW, well that changes everything, we should be kissing his A$$ and worshipping him. I mean seriously no one else has ever been a POW or MIA before so he should be put into a saintly status. LMFAO If these idiots that believe that McCain should be president, cannot lie, find it acceptable to have multiple affairs, all because he is a POW then they should also believe that Obama should be the president because he grew up with a single mother, grew up black (and God knows how bad it was being black back then, how oppressed the black population was due to racism and whatnot), and lived with his grandparents for some time during his childhood. I am honestly sick of hearing the other side claim that he is godlike. I am sick of hearing that all of McCain's "bad" things are ok because they were so long ago. They want to bring up Clinton's affair but not the Keating 5 which weren't that far apart but because he is so godly it's ok that it happened almost 15 years ago.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I'm going to head down to the river and homeless shelters this morning to see if I can find the next president, the one for 2012. I bet I could find 6 POWs not sure if they have cheated on their wife, been involved with illegal activities causing the tax payer billions of dollars, or graduated 5th from the bottom of their class but I will check and let you know. I'll just have to make sure that they confessed their sins to God, and that it hasn't happened in the past 5 years. Then they will be good to go.
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Please make sure to tell any POW's that you find that happen to be homeless that they've EARNED at least one house for every year they were held prisoner. That's according to our rambling little flower here on myLot who said McCain's earned every one of his houses because of his heroism and time as a prisoner. Also, ask them if they have any idea why McCain fought so hard against searching for the POW/MIA's who were never found. Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 08
LOL Really? I thought that he earned them because he married a rich woman? Oh, did you see that on CSPAN as well, when he got up and walked out on the Committee Meeting? That wasn't very nice since well he was a POW, he should have found for finding the missing men over there. But, I'm sure that doesn't matter because it was sooooo long ago. I'm serious if I hear that excuse one more freakin time I'm going to scream!!
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@xParanoiax (6997)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I've known since he got into the race, actually...because my Mom was worried that it might have affected his state of mind as trauma naturally does... But no. Being a POW could only justify a few things, like if you were really messed up, if you have social problems, etc. Just because he's a POW or because he's served in the military, it doesn't automatically give him the right to lead this country, nor be treated terribly differently than anyone else. He gets respect, and that's about it, in terms of discussing who should be our next President.
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Of course you've known about it, everyone has. My post was meant to be sarcastic and I'm sorry if it offended anyone but the fact is McCain and his surrogates have been using this for everything, even last night on Jay Leno he brought it up when Jay joked about how many houses he owns. For the record, in my opinion I understand your mom's concerns because I've thought the same thing and while he deserves respect for what he went through I don't think it extends into every other aspect of his life since then. I disagree with the tactic his campaign has taken that no one can say anything at all negative about him because he's a former POW. Annie
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• United States
28 Aug 08
Oreo, neither of us were saying this shouldn't earn him some respect. But just 'cause you're respected is not an instant qualification to lead this country -- which is what this topic is about. In fact, most sets of qualifications to be leaders aren't things we can easily determine pre-election. Most of it's not based on -what- they are, and what's happened to them...it's what they have done and will do. Unfortunately, this means that alot of this voting for a new leader thing is done on faith...which many of us seem to have a shortage of lately. I will defend anyone on any point where they should be defended, regardless who they are and how much I disagree with them, as well. I might not agree with McCain very much -- and actually I don't dislike his tactics as much as I dislike how the wounds on his campaign are mostly self-inflicted -- but that doesn't mean I feel overwhelmingly inspired by Obama. All these little things we learn about each candidate pre-election is given to each of us to try to deal with and gauge who might possibly be better for this country overall. You weigh as much of them as you can and see who comes out on the heavier end of things that would be harmful. That said, I'm not an advocate for picking the lesser of two evils. I find Annie's post here quite appreciable, even though it might offend some folks...because it's pointing something out without trying to be insulting or throwing something out there baselessly.
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• Nepal
26 Aug 08
I am not sure about my knowledge because I learn from the news and i have not got any information about him. I think media are in the side of obama. I am not agreed with this trend . They are not telling the stories of maccain and his ability. Any way I only know is he was the hero of vietnam war.
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@clrumfelt (5425)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I agree with your assessment, kisanchhantyal. McCain has a lot of good points but he is being ignored by the news media to the extent that all people hear about him is that he was POW. HE is not the one belaboring the point, it is the news media who are failing to give him fair coverage on the issues.
• United States
26 Aug 08
A recent study showed that the media is harder on Obama than it is on McCain: "...when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative. Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center." --http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
26 Aug 08
My post wasn't about the MEDIA pointing out that McCain was a POW but about McCain himself, as he did just last night to Jay Leno, and his surrogates, as his campaign spokesperson Nicole Wallace did recently regarding the possibility that he'd known Rick Warren's questions in advance, bringing up his POW history. It's also been used to justify his many affairs while still married to his first wife, including the one with his current wife Cindy who he abandoned his first wife for - he came home a "changed man" so I guess that made infidelity perfectly acceptable in his case. I'd like to know what good things about McCain the media is ignoring. They sure do ignore many of his flaws. Annie
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
26 Aug 08
Annie, I wasn't sure how to respond to this one atfirst. A range of thoughts occurd to me and I was torn. should I chastize for being snide, just roll my eyes, simply be humorous? This is whatI came up with finaly. Yes.......He is a former POW. Does it excuse bad behavior or policy? No. Does it make him infallibale? No. Does it automaticly make him president? No. Here is what it does do for me however as a voter. As many of you also know, not only was he a POW, but when offered his freedom, he turned it down. This singular decision said a lot to me. It speaks of his character to me. Say what you will about affairs or political dealings, this singular decision spoke of a man willing to make personal sacrifice with out any reguard to his own well being and sacrifice to a level almost no one in this forum can begin to claim. This to me demonstrated a character that is so very rare in this country. Again, affairs aside political dealings aside, this one decision demonstrated this to me. It also tells me what sort of comander in chief of our military he would be. This is a man who knows what it means to commit men to battle, TRULY know what it means. not just has respect for the troups, but knows what it really means. Even unlike our current president, who though was in the guard, never saw combat. And certainly unlike the guy before G W. Remember him, military folks? And get off the damned house thing annie, it really is getting tired...REALLY tired.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Being President is all about Character. What has Senator Obama done to promote bipartisanship? He talks about Uniting the country but what has he done? He can't even unite his party. Even President Bush has done more to promote Unity than Senator Obama. President Bush reached out to the other side on the Education Bill (No Child Left Behind - A Kennedy/Kerry Bill), Campaign Finance, Minimum Wage, Immigration Reform. Senator McCain formed the Gang of 14, Worked on Campaign Finance, and Immigration Reform. When has Senator Obama reached across the aisle to the other side and gone against his party for something bigger?
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• United States
26 Aug 08
Excellent question. From what I've seen, Obama is much more interested in global issues, in giving the UN more control over our money. That's not what I want.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
bobmnu, do you realize Obama's united his party better than McCain has united his? "Even among voters who said they planned to vote for McCain, more than half said they were "not enthusiastic" about their chosen candidate; 45% said they were enthusiastic. By contrast, 81% of Obama voters said they were enthusiastic, and almost half called themselves "very enthusiastic," a level of zeal found in 13% of McCain's supporters." --http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll25-2008jun25,0,5763707.story All you've heard about the Democratic party being divided is planted rumors by Republicans. Hell, one of the major PUMA groups admitted she donated $500 to McCain's 2000 campaign, lol.
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
26 Aug 08
That, certainly, makes him a celebrity. We won't deny him that. Not in the manner in which he wants to follow stereotype and link Obama's success to the success of a basketball player or entertainer, indirectly suggesting that black people only succeed when they are entertainers or athletes.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
26 Aug 08
huh?
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Are you surprised? Did you see the add linking Oama with Britney and Paris? Have you also heard McCain's response to Madonna? These link Obama to people who have become celebrities through entertainment. There's no other reason why such a link is necessary.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
26 Aug 08
the "huh" was in reference to the racial element you suggested. Seemed a bit of a stretch to me.
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@irishidid (8725)
• United States
26 Aug 08
No more than being part black gives Obama the right to be handed the presidency. Yes, McCain was a prisoner of war. He was a POW in Hanoi North Vietnam from 1967 to 1973. It is easy to skip over facts when we don't like someone.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
All I can say is , cause you said it all, right there.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
I think you did the skipping over, not realizing what obvious satire the original post is. Why is it that Obama's supporters talk about policy when they talk about electing him, but his opponents are always the ones who bring up race? Seems like protesting too much to me sometimes.
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Thank you, Clarus, for being the only one to get my satire. I don't recall hearing anyone saying Obama should be handed the Presidency because he's part black but I sure have seen evidence that some think he should be denied the Presidency because of allegations that he's a Muslim and some here sure are obsessed with his middle name. "It is easy to skip over facts when we don't like someone," can be easily modified to "It is easy to skip over facts when we DO like someone", and that's what many McCain supporters have been attempting to do. Annie
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@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I don't believe it. I don't believe anything about John McCain.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 08
LOL mcat you're so funny
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26 Aug 08
Yeah, I always heard that John Kerry once played Frankenstein in the 30's or something like that...
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@Ldyjarhead (10157)
• United States
26 Aug 08
You're hearing 'whispers'? It's been general knowledge for years. And who says that being a POW is giving him a shot at POTUS? It has to do with his record, of which Obama has NONE. I don't think McCain is the perfect candidate, not by a long stretch, but I'm sure not voting for Obama just because of 'change'. Change is not always good, and Obama is definitely not the change I'd like to see.
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@bbjwlsn (263)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Hi Ldy, how are you? Did you not see in posts above that anniepa was being facetious? She explained that. Actually, I believe her word was satirical, I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think McCain is the perfect candidate either. Neither is Obama. BUT, and I risk saying this to you knowing that most military and retired military seem to like Bush, can we really stand another four years of someone so Bush-like? It scares me silly to think of a Rep. being in office again. I am so sick of the way we have been living for the past eight years that I could just scream! Anyway, just thought I would get in my 1/2 cent worth.
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
27 Aug 08
This is fairly common knowledge that McCain was a POW. As per Wikipedia, "McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958 and became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he nearly lost his life in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. Later that year while on a bombing mission over North Vietnam, he was shot down, badly injured, and captured as a prisoner of war by the North Vietnamese. He was held from 1967 to 1973, experiencing episodes of torture and refusing an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer; his war wounds would leave him with lifelong physical limitations." I have a lot of respect for this good man. Does this make him my choice for president? Well, I am at an impass at this as my choice is not running at this time, but he would also not be any worse than we have now.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
27 Aug 08
You're right that he wouldn't be any worse than what we have now, but are you ready for 4 more years of what we have now? I am appualled that he was rated the worst senator for children but that's probably because I am a mother. I am not really ready for 4 more years of this.
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I am not ready for it either. I am leaning towards Obama, only because I have no other options.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I was a Hillary supporter but I didn't want 4 more years either so Obama was the best choice.
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• United States
27 Aug 08
why shouldnt he get extra attention as a pow. the media treats obama like he's a freakin movie star.
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Yeah, but if we say why we're called racists.
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Fine, but how much "extra attention" is enough - or too much? It seems to me that if the media wants to talk about McCain but doesn't want to say anything that's isn't totally positive, the only thing they have left is that he was a war hero and a POW. Even has they're reporting about the millions of Hillary supporters who are allegedly planning on voting for McCain they fail to point out his dismal record on women's and children's issues which are what matters the most to Hillary and always have. Annie
• United States
27 Aug 08
he most certainly was a pow in viet naam and it doesnt qualify him in any way it only shows that while he was a prisoner his wife waited for him the whole time even after having an horrendous accident and when he returned he ditched her because she was now an invalid and used a CANE OR EVEN A WHEEL CHAIR AT TIMES Now he flits around with his trophy wife is this someone you can trust?????
@anniepa (27246)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I know I certainly don't trust him at all! Annie
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
26 Aug 08
If you ever read anything about what happened to those men who were held as POWs you wouldn't be so flippant. Does it excuse him for having an affair? I don't know. I do know that my father, who was a WWII vet, was finally diagnosed with PTSD as an elderly man and when we learned about his tour of duty and what impact it truly had on him, it explained so much about his life and his behavior. I also know that when I lived in Florida near the St. Pete VA Medical Center, I encountered many men who had been in Vietnam and who were stilll suffering. War changes people, especially when they were ordered to kill children. McCain, though, isn't being handed anything. He has earned his right to be in the position he's in right now. He has had an excellent career. And the fact that he doesn't know how many houses he and his wife own doesn't bother me a bit. I met a couple about 10 years ago that owned rental properties. The man never knew how many they had because it was the woman's business interest. And so it is with McCain. It also doesn't bother me that he has amassed wealth and earns an excellent income. Folks, whether you like it not, the Democrats and Republicans who are in office are all wealthy. The statistics show that the average man/woman politician has a net worth of $2.7 million. None of them can really related to Joe Average, at least not in the way we'd like them to be able. But I, for one, do not want taxes raised more on persons who earn more than those who earn less. Our country was not made that way - for the rich to pay for programs for the middle class or the poor. In days gone by, we all thought that we might also have a chance to get "rich" one day, and therefore, we didn't want the "rich" to be taxed too much because we might one day be one of them. But it went beyond that. Once upon a time, we cared because we knew and practiced the Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I also do not want to see taxes raised on big business. That won't keep them from up and leaving and going to countries that are more business friendly. Over taxing them will cause them to leave faster. And there will be less jobs and less companies to tax. Over taxing the rich will make them find loopholes. And when the money isn't there for the programs promised - from either the "rich" or from companies no longer in our country - then, sure enough, the taxes will have to be raised on Joe Average. McCain believes that economic stimulus makes more sense than unfairly taxing the rich and companies. It amazes me that people are all over the oil companies for making too much profit. What is too much? If you were a stock holder, would you think there was too much profit? And what about other kinds of companies - where profits are even higher? What about telecommunications companies? Why isn't anyone complaining about them?
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
27 Aug 08
People are complaining about the oil companies big profit because they did not come as a result of a genuine rise in the cost of production. It was generated by a 'trick' played by hired speculators on Wall Street. Incidentally, this seems to happen immediately before elections in this country. Just asking...is somebody trying to raise funds for political attacks?
@savypat (20245)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I think that it's a given that he was a POW. You don't have to do much to become one, just be in the wrong place at the right time. It does take a lot of luck to survive, does this make him a good President? Better look at his voting record.
• United States
27 Aug 08
Unless a person has been living under a rock they would have to know that McCain was a POW for 5 years. I do not believe that any presidential candidate should automatically be handed anything.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
Yes, and I am sick and tired of hearing about him being a POW. No one cares anymore.
@skinnychick (6907)
• United States
26 Aug 08
That is pretty much all I have heard about him. He's been playing that card for awhile. While it's a horrible thing, I really think that he should stick to the issues at hand without playing the military card.
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@cbreeze (1207)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I agree Skinnychick, Being a POW is not the type of foreign policy experience I think of when choosing the next president. I'm not saying he doesn't have foreign policy experience. I'm just saying I would like to hear about it. It is what is more relevent in the campaign.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Does making one trip out side the country make Senator Obama an expert on Foreign Policy and the Military?
• United States
26 Aug 08
I would say no logically but a fresh approach to foreign policy and America in general is what this country needs. Not an old man who can't keep his train of thought or one that flips sides constantly. Has McCain even discussed this subject?
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@Barb42 (4216)
• United States
26 Aug 08
McCain was definitely a POW. You can read more about him in this article. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html The injuries he received is the reason his arms don't look normal. I'm sure he has other problems, but he never complains about them that I know about. And I definitely don't believe he thinks he should be President simply because he was a POW.
@anniepa (27246)
• United States
26 Aug 08
How did you reach the conclusion you state in your last sentence? He's used this every chance he gets for months now and it's getting worse as time goes on! I didn't bother reading the article you posted but it says "a first person account" and I understand there are things McCain has written in his memoirs and spoken about in previous interviews may not all be totally true. Who actually saved him from drowning when he was shot down? How many Vietnamese were there to attack him on shore? What NFL team's roster did he recite while under interrogation? Someone elsewhere in this threat "character is everything" in choosing a President; I'm sorry but I don't think a heck of a lot about McCain's character. He went through pure he11 as a POW, I'm not denying that, no matter which account is true, and I respect him for that but that doesn't give him a free pass for the rest of his life to be a liar and a philanderer among other things. Annie
@Barb42 (4216)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Anniepa, "How did you reach the conclusion you state in your last sentence?" That's just how I feel. I realize he mentions it. But we don't know what we would do if we were in his shoes. Thank God my husband made it out of Vietnam without a scratch. McCain and others weren't that lucky. "Someone elsewhere in this threat "character is everything" in choosing a President; (snip)I respect him for that but that doesn't give him a free pass for the rest of his life to be a liar and a philanderer among other things." I agree; character goes a long way. But I've seen nothing from ANY of the candidates for President that showed me they were perfect. And all of them have lies, in their books and in their statements to the public. So I guess he's among the best of them.
@irisheyes (4373)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Wow. That makes him the first presidential candidate with a prison record. Doesn't it? LOL Seriously, I think he should be able to use his prisoner of war background in the campaign. A good war record has always been considered a positive except when the swift boat guys crapped all over John Kerry. I think John McCain spoke up in Kerry's defense and as far as I'm concerned, he has every right to be proud of his own war record and every right to use it in the campaign. Especially since he will probably be the last Vietnam veteran with a shot at the presidency.
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@bbjwlsn (263)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Hi irisheyes, how's it going? I guess you're right, he is the first pres. candidate with a prison record. LOL I don't see why his prisoner of war background should have any bearing whatsoever in the campaign. How does being a POW constitute a good war record? He was unlucky enough to be shot down and captured.
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
30 Aug 08
I doubt he'll be the last. I mean, we had a World War 2 veteran as president from 1988 to 1992, two WWII vets running in 1992 and another running for the presidency in 1996. If we've had WWII vets that recently, I think you'll see a couple more Vietnam vets in the next few elections.
• United States
27 Aug 08
I personally think that he would make a great president. Almost everything he has voted on I agree with him on. No just because he was in the military don't make him the absolute best choice if you were to just base it off that however being I am a military wife and my husband has gone to Iraq twice and this last time said that there has been a tremendous difference. It has calmed down so much more. The media blows it up. If they didn't they wouldn't have a story to tell. I am voting for him because I am strong in my faith in Jesus and what he has voted for falls more under my beliefs than Obama.
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@anniepa (27246)
• United States
28 Aug 08
That's certainly your decision if you feel McCain is the best man based on the issues. However, I have to ask, when you say, "Almost everything he has voted on I agree with him on," when you look at McCain's votes as a Senator WHICH John McCain are you looking at? He's changed his mind at least once on literally every single issue there is. John Kerry took a lot of heat for this back in 2004 but McCain has been FOR everything before he was against it and vice versa! In some cases he's changed back to his original view, I guess depending on which way the political wind is blowing and where he is on a given day. I'd really love to know what Jesus would have to say about John McCain. Annie
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I burst out laughing when I read this title. For anyone who doesn't get it, the joke is that McCain has done exactly what Annie's talking about. Despite claiming he's "reluctant" to bring up his P.O.W. service, the fact is he's tried to use the "P.O.W. card" as an excuse for basically EVERY mistake and bad decision he's made since this campaign started--he also uses it as an excuse to avoid 'hard questions'.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Oh thank goodness someone else figured it out too. In my first response I suggested that I was going down to the river and homeless shelter to find out next president (2012) when I came back to read what others had said I had to point out that it was all sacrasm and still people just posted about how she should have know this already.
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