Will Obama keep his word?

@Taskr36 (13928)
United States
September 6, 2008 12:39pm CST
For those of you who haven't read my discussion from last week I praised Obama for his statements regarding Sarah Palin and her daughter. Obviously praise is something I rarely give him. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1680911.aspx Here was one of the most bold and impressive statements "We don't go after people's families; we don't get them involved in the politics. It's not appropriate, and it's not relevant," he added. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired." So now I'm waiting to see if he'll keep his word. Howard Gutman one of the original members of his finance committee decided to go after Sarah Palin, her family, and claimed she was putting her career ahead of her family while criticizing how she dealt with her daughter's pregnancy. “If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, ‘Mom, Dad, I’m pregnant, we have a family problem,’ I wouldn’t say, ‘You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to take this private family problem … I’m going to go on the international stage and broadcast it to the world’,” he said. Gutman later added: “If you take a daughter who’s got this emotional strife and subject her to the most intense scrutiny of the world at this time in her life, I think you’ve put your career above your family.” http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/06/obama-fundraiser-palin-putting-career-above-family/ http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-campaign.html So far the Obama campaign has rejected his statements, but Obama himself hasn't come forward to say anything himself, nor has this man been fired. It appears this statement was just made yesterday so I'll reserve judgment while I wait for Obama to keep his word. To me, this is make or break for him.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Don't forget who made a public announcement about Bristol's pregnancy--it was McCain/Palin, not Obama/Biden. They irresponsibly put Palin's daughter in the spotlight, in hopes that Obama would jump on it, and then they in turn could play the victim. It didn't work, and the McCain campaign is literally spending more time accusing their opponents of making a big deal of it than the Obama campaign is actually spending talking about it.
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@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
6 Sep 08
Now you're just blatantly lying and you know it. Palin released that statement because all the liberal blogs, lead by DailyKOS, were claiming that Trig was Bristol Palin's son and it had reached the point where major media outlets were about to discuss the story. She had no choice but to come out and tell people the truth or the smears and lies would continue. You've had the audacity to use DailyKOS as a source before here on mylot and this is precisely the reason I told you they had no credibility. If you think she WANTED to announce her daughter's pregnancy you are just lying to yourself. It is not a good thing for her campaign and that's obvious from the criticism she's recieved.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
"Palin released that statement because all the liberal blogs, lead by DailyKOS, were claiming that Trig was Bristol Palin's son and it had reached the point where major media outlets were about to discuss the story." And what does Obama have to do with blogs or media outlets? If I'm "blatantly lying", how do YOU explain the constant claims victimization from the Obama campaign when the Obama campaign hasn't attacked Palin through Bristol at all? "You've had the audacity to use DailyKOS as a source before here on mylot and this is precisely the reason I told you they had no credibility." Yawn; show me an entry from the Daily KOS where they claim it's true instead of making it clear it's a rumor.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
6 Sep 08
ClarusVisum, You are so blind to the reality of Obama you have probably walked into too many walls and your "YAWN" could be a sign of a concussion! Maybe you should head to the emergency room, seriously!
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@vellibiz (297)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Dude your not talking about anything that matters, its people like you, that make presidential decisions based on this topic, you've prolly been researching deep into this also, instead of the war,economy,foreign policies. You decide to talk about somebody's babie, listen to yourself, your questioning obama's word i have no problem with that, but with the last 8 years, i think you should be questioning the republicans word.You sound like a bush vote-so this is out of question, why dont you comment on the "Do you like eating toothpaste". discussions, i believe your opinions are more valued there.
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@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
7 Sep 08
My aren't you a bitter one. "Dude your not talking about anything that matters" I think Obama's ability to keep his word matters. He's already broken his word multiple times in his campaign, including public financing and opposing Bush's illegal wiretaps. A person's ability to keep his word is just as important as his stance on the issues. If we can't count on him to keep his word while running for president, how can we count on him to keep his word on the issues when he becomes president? I'm not going to follow him blindly because he yells "change" all the time. I have researched all the issues and I have decided who I am going to vote for. This discussion isn't about Bristol Palin or her baby, it's about Obama's employee using Palin's family as a method to attack her which Obama promised nobody in his campaign would do. "i think you should be questioning the republicans word" So instead of questioning one man's word, I should be questioning the entire republican party? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard. If we get into that then I have to compare every lie by every democrat, to every lie by every republican. Just think about that for a second. I'm comparing Obama to McCain. "You sound like a bush vote-so this is out of question" No, I voted for John Kerry. Try again. Just because you don't like me questioning your messiah, that doesn't mean my opinions aren't valued by others. I think the number of responses I've already had proves that.
@ZephyrSun (7387)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Ok, I am going to kick myself for this but here goes Taskr, "I said thanks but no thanks to Congress for the Bridge to Nowhere" Are you coming down this hard on Palin because she was for earmarks then against them and now who knows where she stands. Of course not because that is who you like for "the ticket" so why would you think that Obama supporters should question his word when Palin supporters blindly follow her without question?
@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Changing her stance on an issue is completely different than making and breaking a promise within one week Zephyr. I really don't understand your comparison at all. I'd be more than happy to discuss my opinions on earmarks and why they're good on the city and state level, but bad on the national level. That however, has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. It doesn't even relate to what vellibiz said, which also ignores the point of my thread. Simply put, Obama has already broken to significant "Promises" that he's made to the American people during his campaign. This promise, which I'm still giving him time to see if he keeps, is even more significant because it is something he's brought up twice and goes beyond issues and into whether he really wants this to be a clean campaign and whether families are truly off-limits, or if that concept is only valid with regards to protecting his wife's words during public campaign speeches.
@gewcew23 (8012)
• United States
6 Sep 08
I do not understand why people have to go after the families of the candidates. Yes I know that I have gone after Michelle but that is only because she decided to enter the political arena. Last time I check Sarah's family has not entered the political arena, and does not deserve to be attacked. No matter how ugly politics gets there still has to be a code of chivalry toward non combatants. If one does not want to be apart of the political world they should be spared from the fight. Obama has never personally apologize, that is not his style. When Randi Rhodes who was campaigning for Obama called Geraldine Ferraro David Duke in drags, Obama just released a statement.
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@Pitgull (1523)
• United States
6 Sep 08
When Bristol and her family think it is appropriate to bring the expecting father to the convention, does this not spark interest in the issue? But they want it to be private? You cannot have it both ways. One day we see Bristol with her family, a daughter of Palin. The next day, because she is pregnant she is an adult woman with her new fiance? These are the people who are supposed to be role models and examples for the rest of the country. The children included. People learn from their parents and that is why this is relevant. All the children in the country might not be able to relate to McCain, or even Obama due to age. But the kids, they can. They can tell a lot about their parents and the issues, and they also learn by example. Apparently getting pregnant, turns you into a woman. That is not what should be taught to the children of this country. I do not believe that they were intending on going after the family, but if one side brings up an issue and tries to use it to their advantage, when there are other major issues at stake, I believe someone should step up and discuss. Palin also called it an "embarrassment" which seems to contradict her views on the situation. You cannot have it both ways. New life, is no embarrassment and why is having a baby embarrassing? I am sure Bristol understood what she was doing, she does have 4 other siblings. It is the hypocrisy of the situation that is being discussed. Maybe they are trying to protect us....
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@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
6 Sep 08
"When Bristol and her family think it is appropriate to bring the expecting father to the convention, does this not spark interest in the issue?" Why shouldn't Bristol's fiance be allowed to come to the convention? When my wife and I were engaged we went to each others family functions. If bringing family to the convention opens them up to public attacks, then why did Obama vow that nobody in his campaign would do that and if they did they'd be fired? Did Obama open up his daughters to attack when he brought them to the convention? Would it now be appropriate to scrutinize their lives, boyfriends, myspace pages, grades, etc.? Not one person in McCain's campaign has attacked or even brought up his children or parenting skills. Now he's made a vow to fire anyone in his campaign who did such a thing. I'm waiting for him to keep his word. He's already broken his word several times in this campaign, but none of those would offend me nearly as much as if he breaks his word now.
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@Pitgull (1523)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Let's get into families. Didn't McCain cheat on his wife and 3 children? He's with a woman, with money, where do you think the loyalty lies? If he cannot maintain his commitment (OF which he takes complete responsibility for the result of his marriage) to the family he created, how can he take the responsibility we require of this family that is our country? Where are those 3 children at his speeches? What about this supposed "adopted daughter" that is never in pictures, on stage, etc, with the rest of the families? Gov. Palin has made statements regarding her daughter, that is her own fault. She is the one who dubbed it an "embarrassment"....a mother calling her daughter's pregnancy an embarrassment, will raise questions from the public. Especially if she is running for Vice President.
@ZephyrSun (7387)
• United States
7 Sep 08
Ok Taskr I thought this would be easier so I can respond to you this way and get an email when you respond since politic discussions are started too often to find you again. Anyway reread your statement. ""We don't go after people's families; we don't get them involved in the politics. It's not appropriate, and it's not relevant," he added. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired." " Would you explain to me where he said "I promise"? If this was my discussion about Palin, you would question the exact same thing. I just don't see where he said you have my word, I promise whatever. "Changing her stance on an issue is completely different than making and breaking a promise within one week Zephyr. I really don't understand your comparison at all. " Seriously Taskr are you that bias? I thought differently but, she went on to say this statement at the RNC. She stretched the truth. Is it ok because she is on the right and Obama is on the left? I just don't understand what the difference is. I would like you to explain it. I would also like you to explain why you are waiting for him to keep his word? Are you going to change your vote because he said something and didn't follow up on it? Politicans say things all the time that they don't mean. There was just a discussion started today about McCain, saying he was for the Confederate Flag but it was only for his political advantage instead of his personal beliefs (paraphased not quoted). Not that I even care anymore really, I am going to write in my own cadidate and I'm probably the only one voting for him and he won't win but at least I'm voting. Just completely sick of the double standard, I can even use a news paper as a source because I have 5 conservatives jumping down my throat saying that it was written by a bias liberal. Like I said earlier I know I'm going to kick myself for saying anything but I did so I'll be waiting.
@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
8 Sep 08
"Would you explain to me where he said "I promise"? If this was my discussion about Palin, you would question the exact same thing. I just don't see where he said you have my word, I promise whatever." That's grade school crap Zephyr. I have NEVER said that a candidate can't be held to promises because they didn't say "I promise". "I would also like you to explain why you are waiting for him to keep his word? Are you going to change your vote because he said something and didn't follow up on it?" I'm waiting because it speaks to his character. It wouldn't change my vote, but I often like to respect the opponent even if I'm not voting for him. I respected Al Gore when he ran against Bush. I had not intention of voting for him but I had the highest respect for him. When Obama made those statements I really started to respect him and was glad to see him take the high road so vocally. Now it looks like it was just talk. That offends me because I bought it hook line and sinker when I typically expect idle talk. If I couldn't vote for a candidate that tells lies than I could probably never vote. I have to put up with it either way, but certain lies offend me more than others and this was one of them. If people are attacking you by saying a newspaper article is biased then either figure out why or stick up for your choice of articles. If I call an article biased I will typically explain why. Any opinion piece is inherently biased since opinion is not fact. If the newspaper you cite is stating facts, then they are facts even if presented in a biased manner which facts and statistics often are. You just have to stress that facts are facts and your opponent will need to counter with facts of their own to demonstrate the bias. An example would be to imply people hate Cindy McCain because only 20% of those polled had a favorable view of her. Although true, it could be presented in bias by omitting the fact that 70% of those polled said they did not know enough to make an assessment. Note: while a poll like that was conducted those are not the exact numbers. It was purely an unofficial example.
@ZephyrSun (7387)
• United States
8 Sep 08
After looking back at some of your other responses on different discussions, I can clearly see that it's ok if one side says whatever and doesn't mean it, doesn't follow through, or leaving a statement open-ended. In my personal opinion there are just some people so bias they refuse to to compare the candidates. It is actually the behavior of the conservatives that sealed my vote this year for president.
• United States
6 Sep 08
First I would like to say that I think Gutman's statement is a crock of sh*it. I do not know of any parent who would turn a fantastic career opportunity down because their kid got pregnant. IMO Palin shows herself to be a caring parent who supports her kid and will make the best of a unexpected family, not political, situation. That being said I will not hold my breath waiting for Obama to stand by his word. I think he will wait and see if there is any public uproar and only then will he take action. Just as he did in getting disassociated from Rev Wright!
• United States
6 Sep 08
Kennyrose - great comment. Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever. He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede -- as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor -- that these babies, fully outside their mothers' wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact "persons." "Persons," of course, are guaranteed equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24354 I have read both his books and the following quotations prove to me that he is not the type of person who should be president of this great country. From Dreams of my Father: I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race. From Audacity of hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the winds shift in an ugly direction.
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