What was your take on Obama's pig/lipstick comment?

@Barb42 (4217)
United States
September 10, 2008 9:37am CST
Yesterday, Senator Obama made a comment in which he said that you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. When Sarah Palin gave her speech on Wednesday night at the Republican convention, she told the joke about the difference in hockey Moms and pit bulls being lipstick. Many people have taken this comment by Obama as a slam against Palin. Some say it is just a metaphor that is used all the time. Here is what the USNews.com is reporting: "CBS didn't mention the controversy, while ABC World News simply reported, "Now, some members of the audience thought" Obama "was surely talking about...Palin's joke last week that the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick, but a spokesman for Obama said no, he was just using an old expression." NBC Nightly News reported the audience at an Obama event "actually started chanting no more pit bull. Pretty sarcastic reference to that lipstick joke that...Palin made at the GOP convention."
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I personally, don't think Obama meant it to disparage Palin in anyway. The audience however, DEFINITELY thought he was talking about Palin and you could tell by their reaction. It's a mess because in politics what you meant isn't nearly as important as public perception of your comments.
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@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Taskr, I think you hit the nail on the head. Public perception means more than what you really meant. And I think Obama made a mistake even going there. It has given the comment legs now.
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@tthom64 (535)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I agree. He may have just meant it as a casual comment, but in light of the recent comment by Palin, it sure seemed like that was what he was referring to and I couldn't believe my ears. Oh I would hate being in the public spotlight all the time, with every syllable I utter being scrutinized. But both sides do it to their advantage whenever they can and I'm sure the Reps with make hay with this for a while. Unfortunate timing for Obama. Or maybe Fruedian slip LOL.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I think Obama would have faired much better had he not made that remark. And I do believe it's going to come back to haunt him. I am sure there were many people like us that thought he was referring to Palin when he made that statement. Maybe he wasn't, but public perception is stronger than what we say we mean. He made another slip the other day in an interview with his remark about 'my muslim faith', and it took off on the blogs. And I am sure this one will do the same, although I haven't been reading them this morning.
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@cbreeze (1207)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I think if Obama's comment was taken as a sexist remark then Palin's should have been viewed the same way. I don't want to be compared to either animal.
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@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I don't think that Palin's was a sexist remark in that she was comparing the Hockey Moms (which she is one) with the fierceness of a pit bull. The comment by Obama brought to mind that comment because of the lipstick comment. People even cheered because they figured that's who he was talking about.
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@GardenGerty (96663)
• Marion, Kansas
10 Sep 08
My take is that Palin's joke was directed at herself, no one else.Loyal and aggressive. On the other hand, Obama's comments were a slam, directed at someone else. Stinky, lazy, smelly, ugly, fat. That was the difference. If he had made a joke about himself, then that would be okay.
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@cbreeze (1207)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Gardengerty, Palin referring to a soccer mom does not just include her. I am one too. I don't like being compared to a vicious dog. And as far as Obama's lipstick comment...if he meant lazy, stinky, etc. then what and who was John McCain reffering to when he made the same comment? So if we are going to take some comments out of context, lets take them all out of context.
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• United States
10 Sep 08
I dont think it was sexist at all. I think it was completely metaphorical, just as was Palins comment. I think what he was saying, is you can dress something up as much as you want, but underneath it is still what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Sep 08
nit picking
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@I_Write (31)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I don't find either statement sexist, to be quite honest. I actually think Palin's comment was worse. Obama used a common turn of phrase in a clever manner. Palin compared sports moms to vicious dogs with lipstick. He made a comment that *might* have been directed at a particular person. She used a derogatory stereotype directed at millions of American moms (of which, I am one). And if people think being a pig is somehow worse than being a violent dog, that's just prejudice. You can't help a pig hater.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I didn't take Palin's remark (joke she told) as a cut to anyone. She was telling a joke about Hockey Moms (which she is one). And I think she was speaking of the way they protect their sons/daughters who play hockey and they go all the way to support their kids. I understand that considering my daughter is a soccer Mom with 4 kids who have played and still has 2 younger ones (12 1/2 & 15) playing. She goes out of her way to support her kids and she gets very upset when people make derogatory remarks - which mostly comes from other Moms.
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@spalladino (17926)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Both sides are insulting each other, being sarcastic, name calling and trying their best to demean the other side. I don't like it much but it's part of the campaign process so, no, this remark is not a big deal.
@deebomb (15323)
• United States
10 Sep 08
When I first heard the remark this morning It made me made. My first reaction was the remark sounded like he was saying all who wear lipstick are pigs. It is like Kathy Lee Gifford said this morning any thing that a public figure says is going to be repeated, taken out of contest, and distorted. This is one of those remarks that I believe Obama will wish he never said. I think that Sarah Palin has him scared and running.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Kathy was right. If Obama had been thinking, he would never have made that remark, especially having the VP being a woman. It sounded terrible coming from him, no matter what he meant. I do believe that Palin has them scared. Otherwise, why would the presidential nominee stay on her case so much? Is it because Biden is afraid to take her on? I haven't seen anything much from him on the campaign circuit?
@tthom64 (535)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Unfortunatly for him, you're right, it seems that he is reacting to Sarah Palin and getting flustered when he should be focusing on McCain and their policy differences. She seems to have him rattled even if that's not really true. The media can make it seem like that by what they focus on.
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@deebomb (15323)
• United States
10 Sep 08
The media seems to control ever ting that is put into the public eye. Since the media seems to be very liberal than I would think that they would keep quite on this remark.
@_sketch_ (5709)
• United States
14 Sep 08
I think that Obama said that to hurt palin. What he said is not an "old expression". It was an attack on his opponent. I wish that politics would stop putting all their efforts into making their opponent look bad and more into helping the country. obama's comment was definitely about palins joke. I don't like Obama and I think that his comment was definitely a show of character; a character I do not want in the white house.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
14 Sep 08
sketch, my cousin had a good take on that yesterday. She said he had plenty of time to say to the crowd to 'hold it; I'm not talking about Sarah Palin'. But, instead, he wiped his brow, waiting for their response, knowing they would pick up on the Palin lipstick joke. And I agree; he definitely showed his character. Wonder what would been said if McCain had done that? You wouldn't hear the last of it,yet we are supposed to let it go by and accept his denial that it had anything to do with Palin.
@_sketch_ (5709)
• United States
15 Sep 08
Are you suggesting that the reason Obama is getting away with it so easily is because of his race? just curious.
• United States
11 Sep 08
IMO it was very obviously meant as an insult to Sarah Palin. I am aware that similar remarks have been made by other polititions. This coming so soon after Palin's pitbull/lipstick joke was no coincdince. As usual Osama oops Obama is trying to weasel out of it, which is something he does a lot of lately .
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I think what really did him in with this particular comment was the timing. The lipstick comment had just been used a couple weeks before by Palin and everyone connected with her speech. They immediately thought he was talking about her. Perhaps we will never know if he truly was, but it was a way for him to get a punch in the way he said it and then declare he wasn't calling her a pig.
• United States
11 Sep 08
I do not like Obama but I have to admithe was clever as his timing was perfect for him to openly insult her yet manage to say it not meant that way. His excuse...Othe people (McCain) in the past used the lipstick remark.
• United States
10 Sep 08
I think it was a stupid remark to make in the middle of an election with as close as this election has been. Even though people say it is neck and neck, I think that when the election comes, the Democrats are going to find themselves on the losing end because people are seeing through Obama's rhetoric and gravitating toward the substance of Sarah Palin and McCain's history.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I hope Sarah's interviews with Charles Gibson tomorrow and Friday are outstanding. That should put them farther up in the polls, if she is good.
• United States
10 Sep 08
I didn't know about the interviews with Charles Gibson. When are they on? I mean is it on the evening news or a special later in the evening? I would love to see that.
@lanlan011 (701)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I didnt like Palin's remark about the pit bull. Although im not a hockey mom i wouldnt want to be compared to a dog. People take her joke as if it was something creative. Anyone couldve came up with that joke. NO MORE PITBULL..lol
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
11 Sep 08
It was only a joke. And the only reason she told it was because the teleprompter was out and she saw those signs right in her face. I thought it was funny. I think she's very comfortable in whom she is, or she'd never have said it.
@mscott (1924)
• United States
10 Sep 08
It was a very poor sense of judgment. Again showing his political prowess or rather the lack there of. I am sure we wouldn't want these types of mistakes when he is meeting with the leaders of Iran and North Korea like he wants to do. Last week he refereed to his own Muslim religion as not coming into question. Oops, the moderator quickly reminded him he "was" Christian not Muslim. What is even more depressing is the fact that the news coverage is so biased. They for some reason have chosen Obama and fail time and time again to show the real candidate and his lack of experience and flaws.
• United States
10 Sep 08
I agree but I think the bias in the media is working for Sarah instead of against her. So many people have come out on her side in this whole situation simply as a means to defend their own position in this country. I think it's wonderful!
• United States
10 Sep 08
I do not support Obama but I also don't think his comment was something that needed to be blown out of proportion. Politicians will take anything they can escalate and ride the wave. It is sad to say both sides are not exempt from poor politics.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I suppose you could say this is like Obama blowing out of proportion the comment that McCain wanted a 100 year war. And he knew that wasn't what he meant.
@GardenGerty (96663)
• Marion, Kansas
10 Sep 08
I think it was deliberate, but that he is saying that it is an old saying. I thought it was "You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" If it was indeed a mistake, then he is stupid for saying it, because no one believes it is a mistake and it makes him look like a Jr. Hi. smart alecky boy. Very childish. So, is he petty and vindictive, or stupid and childish? Take your pick.
@Barb42 (4217)
• United States
10 Sep 08
They are saying on Fox that the quote is really "silk purse from a sow's ear", just like you said, GardenGerty. I'm like those that are sending in emails that he knew what he was doing and he deliberately changed the quote to say lipstick. Do I have to pick one? How about 'all of the above'?
@anniepa (27248)
• United States
12 Sep 08
My take is ENOUGH ALREADY!! McCain said nearly the same thing referring to Hillary Clinton's health care plan several times earlier this year and there was no controversy about it at all! I've heard some say now that McCain was referring to a "policy" but Obama was clearly personally attacking Palin; so, I guess they really think McCain would have used the word "lipstick" if the policy had been a man's? If, say, it was all BILL Clinton's health care proposal instead of his wife's? Nope, I didn't think so either... If some of Obama's supporters in his audience "seemed" to think it was a personal attack against Sarah because they started chanting, what's the big deal? When you like and support someone you get sick of seeing them get attacked, even if the attacks are just in your own perception. Some say it's tougher on those who care for the "victim" of said attacks than for the victim him or herself. Therefore, if there's something said that they can perceive as hitting back they're going to take it and run with it, cheer and chant, whatever strikes their fancy at that moment. People at the GOP convention booed, jeered and laughed at digs and jokes aimed at the Democrats, that's normal, it's what people do. It's just for some reason Sarah Palin is special, she has to be handled with such care I have no idea how she'll ever survive the rigors of a tough Presidential campaign for nearly two months. She'd better load up on some chapstick! Annie
@mehale (2200)
• United States
12 Sep 08
I really do not think that Obama meant it to be an attack on Palin, so much as an attack on McCain and the Republicans. And as far as that goes, each side throws shots at the other during an election. It is just more politics as usual....though I am having trouble finding the promised "change" in the way the campaigning is going....
@savypat (20247)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I think it's much to do about nothing. And McCain used this expression first. What little boy stuff this is, I want a leader, is that to much to ask?
@taface412 (3177)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I look at it this way....a lot of he said she said is going on....I don't pay attention to it at work...I don't pay attention to it outside of work and I especially don't pay attention to it in the news. Honestly, I heard the comment replayed. And if anything I think he used poor jodgement (imagine that!) in even uttering a phrase like it...old saying or not. Because a part of me thinks he should have known, or thought it possible, the media would jump on it in a heart beat. He is a smart guy, but I believe ever since he's been in the spotlight he is not handling it as it should be. For example he defends every little controversial thing...as if he is scared he will lose a vote. If you have someone who is true to the party ideas, if we can ever really hear them, then you don't have to be scared. But experience usually teaches someone that. Either way. I ignore the gossip rag stuff about the candidates unless they partake in it. Have a great day.
• United States
11 Sep 08
I guess let me first say that I am not an Obama fan, but I did see the speeches in which other candidates use the same phrase, people like John Edwards, and John McCain and in each of the instances they were talking about deception. Now, to be fair I think that Obama was using the line in the same way--we know that he is aces at using the 'catch' phrases of others. I don't think that this was a sexist comment. In this Presidential race we are paying such close attention to the words that we are missing the real issues. It is sickening for me. If it were not for the fact that a woman was on the ticket, then we would not even be discussing this comment. Come on people...grow up. We have some serious issues on the table here: Gas Prices, Employee Salary, Medicare, Social Security, Health Care...on and on but lipstick and who wears it is not in my estimation of any importance. So there! Thanks for bringing this to discussion.
@VE3IYB (209)
• Canada
11 Sep 08
Isn't it interesting that when McCain uses the same comment everybody laughs it off but when Obama uses it they make a federal case out of it???