The Lipstick Comment

@bobmnu (8160)
United States
September 11, 2008 1:40am CST
I have heard many comments on the Senator Obama "Lipstick on a pig" joke and have seen the video clip several times. The comment shows what happens when Senator Obama is off the Teleprompter. He gives a poor speech and he rambles on. In this case had makes a major blunder. One of two things are possible: First he knew what he was saying and made the comment about Gov Palin. The other is that he was telling it as a joke. If it was a deliberate joke about Gov Palin then it was in extremely poor taste and way out of bounds. Such personal attacks have no place in presidential politics. If on the other hand it was simply a tired old political joke then it shows very poor judgment. With Gov Palin making a joke about lipstick and pit bulls a few nights before, the connection now becomes personal. I don't think he meant to call Gov Palin a Pig. But it does question his judgment and with out a teleprompter in diplomatic negotiations is he going to say something that will hurt the country? If someone is going to tell jokes he better have the ability to deliver the joke properly. Senator is one of those people who can not deliver a joke. This is not meant as a negative but as a observation from someone who also has a problem delivering a joke. The trouble Senator Obama has when he goes off script and the mistakes he makes gives me concern for his qualifications to be president.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
11 Sep 08
hi, hiw much I know Mc Cain used the same "joke" several times..but you didn't mentioned it..why? it was not the same? From hier in Italy I see a lot of attack vs Obama from Mc Cain that have not so much to do with politics and people problems, like if he wanto to escape from it, and a lot of shame from Mc Cain for the politics of GWB, so shame that he was also notpresent at the rep. convention...but people should know that if they vote Mc Cain a big part of the GWB politic goes on..and the debate will show them..I guess then that Mc Cain and Palin will be in trouble... Nun
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@soccermom (3200)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I think too much is being made of the teleprompter thing, they all use them and all sound different without them. However, I do believe that Obama's problem when he speaks unscripted is that you can "hear" his thought process working, if that makes sense. I know because I have this problem myself. IT's almost as if you can see him choosing his words. I don't believe the lipstick remark was meant to imply that Palin was a pig. McCain used this phrase when referring to one of Hillary's health care initiatives. Nobody attacked him and said he was implying Hillary was a pig. One of McCains former press secretarys even wrote a book titled "Lipstick on a pig; Winning in the No-Spin Era." This phrase has been around a long time, I just think part of the hub bub over it is because of the audience reaction.
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• United States
11 Sep 08
"Nobody attacked him [McCain] and said he was implying Hillary was a pig." That's because he wasn't implying that Hillary was a pig. He was talking about her idea, Not her, personally. And Hillary hadn't been going around the country telling a joke with Lipstick as the punchline. And no one is attacking Obama. Obama Said it. he meant it, His fans knew what he meant and Laughed about it. They even chanted "No mOre Pitbulls". And now they are trying to defend him on it. You guys really need a new script. this one is worn out.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Yet Senator Obama talked at length about it on the David Letterman show. Who is keeping it alive?
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@soccermom (3200)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I believe it was Letterman that asked the question that brought it up again to begin with. If Obama would've refused to answer he'd be getting criticized for that. Some situations you just can't win, and this is one of them for Obama. As an Obama supporter I'd like to see Obama stop trying to defend himself and just stick to the issues, but then he ends up like McCain did back in 2000 when it appeared he wasn't standing up for himself.
@spalladino (17924)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I'm sorry, bob, I'm not trying to be disrespectful but there is no way that any rational person can predict a person's diplomatic ability on the basis of one speech and the delivery of an off the cuff comment that some people siezed upon. I've seen all of them....Obama, McCain, Biden, Hillary...all of them off script more than once and they've all done fine considering the pressure they're under. The only one I haven't seen in that light is Palin. Both McCain and Obama are intelligent men but if you want to believe that Obama isn't qualified based on a joke that may or may not have been an attack on Palin (and only a mind reader can know for sure), that's fine, but I'm not going to base such an important decision on something as minor as that.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Senator Obama has been praised as a great speaker based on speaches given using a teleprompter. When he get into trouble with things he says it is because he is talking off the cuff with out prepaired text. Senator Obama is a trained lawyer and a politician. He should be able to speak his ideas in a coherent manner with out prepared text. It seems that almost all of his gaffs have been when he is making his off script talks or in a debate. It is in these talks that he seems to alway have to hold a press confrence to explain what he meant the day before and sometimes it takes two or three confrences to fully explain what he meant to say. You do not get this chance in Diplomatic talks. He may have his advisors but many times the two leaders meet and set out the general outline. One of the problems I see is the man has no solid values to guide his decisions. I DO NOT MEAN THAT HE IS A BAD PERSON. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE BASIC VALUES AND GO WITH THE FLOW OF EVERYDAY LIFE. He has osme things that guide his life and decisions but they are something that can be changed or bent to fit a situtation or to advance him or a cause he is working on. By solid values I will give an example. A person who beleives that your first duty is to help and serve your country. So when your country is in need of your service, even if they don't ask for your help, this person would give up a comfortable life to serve their country. Such people include Jimmy Stewart, JFK, Pat Tillman, Bob Hope to name a few. When you have deeply held values it is easy for you to talk about those values. Senator Obama has values more of the Situtaional Ethics, which beleives that the situtation determines your responce. Is one better than the other value system. No they are different and how you view them depend upon your value system.
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@spalladino (17924)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Did you happen to watch his inerview with Bill O'Reilly? Bill only had 30 minutes...not a minute more...so he hit hard and fast in order to cover everything. Obama did not have a prepared text, did not know what the questions would be in advance, was in a very intense situation and, IMO, he came across as coherent and knowledgable. That was Bill's no spin opinion as well on his radio show today. So far I haven't seen any press conferences explaining anything that he said and none of the networks/websites/blogs have picked up on anything so I think that goes against your theory. The reason Obama, as well as McCain, have to explain comments is because their opponants will seize upon anything they can sensationalize and spin to their favor. He has osme things that guide his life and decisions but they are something that can be changed or bent to fit a situtation or to advance him or a cause he is working on. You mean he's not rigid like the extremists on both the left and the right who believe it's either my way or no way...that you either agree with me or the discussion is over because there is no middle ground? By solid values I will give an example. A person who beleives that your first duty is to help and serve your country. So when your country is in need of your service, even if they don't ask for your help, this person would give up a comfortable life to serve their country. You just described Obama's service to the poor in Chicago. Instead of taking a high paying job as an attorney he became a voice for those who could not speak for themsleves and wasn't raking in the dough while doing it.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Sep 08
I have seen the interview and he did a good job. He was prepared for this interview and he still had to be brought back to the topic. The interview was not exactly an off the cuff speech. Your example of Senator Obamas community orginizinge job is an example of values. So is his decision to deny a friend of 20 years when it looks like it might hurt his campaing. He also the Church because it would help him as a Community Orginizer. These are examples of Situtational Ethics. What he did was not wrong when he viewed it at the time.
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@anniepa (27239)
• United States
11 Sep 08
This is a perfect example of the silliness that has hampered this campaign from the beginning. When McCain made this joke several times there was no doubt it was directed at Hillary but I didn't hear or see any outrage over that. I guess with Hillary, anything goes but not so with Sarah. I don't see how Obama made a "major blunder", not for one second, and I don't see how it could be an example of Obama's lack of judgment. There are many more things that concern me deeply about McCain's lack of judgment, to be perfectly honest, and I'm really not just saying that because I'm a liberal Democrat. The criticism of Obama talking without a teleprompter is getting old also. When McCain is speaking without one he still repeats the same things over and over while Obama does seem to stop and think before he speaks and I for one have no problem with that. He doesn't have a preprogrammed answer ready for every question. We've yet to hear Palin speak without a teleprompter or say anything other than slightly modified versions of one speech so maybe McCain/Palin supporters better watch what they say, it may just come back to bite them like an angry pit-bull. I just think it's way too sensitive for people to now say it's "personal" just because Sarah has used the lipstick comment so now any mention of lipstick is a slur against her? I really don't think so and I think we'd better get back to the issues before election day. Annie
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Sep 08
It has been reported that the teleprompter was not working during most of her speech at the Republican Convention when she gave her s[eech.
@soccermom (3200)
• United States
11 Sep 08
When you hit "zero" will you go take a class on proper grammar or something? And what does Rezko have to do with this discussion? Your thank you letter from the company that makes Excedrin is in the mail, everytime I attempt to read what you say I have to take one. I'd have no problem with you kenny if it weren't for this radical, ill thought out, poorly written non sense.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
11 Sep 08
LOL soccermom
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
11 Sep 08
It was scripted and deiberate... in fact it was stolen from a political cartoon from a few days prior to his comment, almost word for word. The fact that he and Biden both are walking gaffe machines are indeed a serious concern, not only with dealing with foreign countries but also with the daily demands of the office that Obama is seeking. Obama recently said that he may have been to "flip" when he answered that it was above his pay grade to determine when life begins. There are two main problems here, the first being that if he can't make a simple declaration or determination about when life begins, then what makes him think he has either the knowledge or the wisdom to be president and make decisions that will have a direct impact on all of us? The second problem is that flippancy is not are real good character trait for a president. Anyway, here is the link for the stolen comment... http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74881
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
11 Sep 08
part of Senator Obama's problem is that he is trying to fit each answer to the tiem and place and his preceived wishes of the people he is addressing.
• United States
12 Sep 08
You mean his views change as his audience changes... How Clintonesque.
• United States
12 Sep 08
Obama knew exactly what he was saying. Ofcouse he is not going to fest up. LYING IS HIS NATURE!! A joke? Don't play like that his is suppose to be a very intelligent man. Use other words and phrases. He's evil through and through. You Lib's are going to see. If he makes president. The horrible thing is after two years he won't be able to fall back on anybody, but himself. I'm almost willing to vote for him just to see that come to pass.
• United States
12 Sep 08
Obama is loosing his confidence and his inexperience is showing through. Now they are saying that Oprah shouldn't have Sarah on her show because she shouldn't make her show a political arena. She says she will have her on after the election. Well, I'm not falling for it, she steeped into the arena when she had senator O. on her show and spoke publicly for him. She's always trying to tell us she wants to inform us and help us be better Americans. Why not have them all on her show one at a time and ask them Oprah questions so we can get to know them better. Could it be that the great "O" doesn't want to play fair? Who knows, maybe someone will jump on her furniture...