Florida has 27 Electoral votes and is a toss up
By spalladino
@spalladino (17891)
United States
September 16, 2008 1:40pm CST
According to CNN's Electoral College Map, Florida is neither "safe" nor "leaning", we're a "toss up" with 27 electoral votes up for grabs. That's a pretty large number.
Following the primary election it was discovered that 3,500 ballots were missing from Palm Beach County. There was a recount to make sure...but then there were too many ballots!
They finally got it figured out (so they claim) but I'm still LMAO at PBC because they're a pretty large, upscale region of the state. Because the two candidates remain so close in the polls, I'm wondering...and wondering if anyone else is wondering...whether Florida will be responsible for yet another voting controversy like the infamous "hanging chads" in 2000.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
16 Sep 08
Spalladino,
Personally, I don't believe there will be any mistake in the way Florida has voted when the votes are tallied in November. Florida will unequivocally show the DNC how they feel about being disenfranchised!
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Sep 08
That's not how folks down here look at it.
It wasn't the Democrat's who set the date for the primary election and violated the rules of the DNC, it was the Republicans who control the legislature who did, knowing full well that it was going to cost the Democrats their delegates at the convention.
The Republicans openly laughed while the Democrats pled with them for hours to reschedule...we all heard it...on the radio...on our local news channels. We know the score.
It's really fortunate for the Republicans that our delegates were able to attend the convention after all. 
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Sep 08
The democrats in the state legislature voted for it as well Spall. Check the voting records if you don't believe me. In Michigan I'm pretty sure all the democrats voted against it though.
I do have one question for you and no liberal seems willing to answer. Exactly how many REPUBLICANS in the DNC voted to disenfranchise the entire states of Florida and Michigan?
Why did Obama go along with the DNC's ruling? He could have been a patriot about it and refused to go along with that garbage. Mike Gravel did. Unfortunately that didn't help him since the media decided he wasn't worthy of coverage. No gimmick. He ended up endorsing a Green Party candidate instead. He was probably the only democrat in the race this election with an ounce of integrity.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Sep 08
Well in Palm Beach County you're dealing with a bunch of retired folks who must have bad eyes for their inability to understand a simple ballot. I don't know what to say about all their problems.
Either way the most current polls at Rasmussen Reports are still showing McCain in the lead 49% to 44%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_presidential_election
I have faith that enough Floridians will vote for McCain. I honestly can't understand why anyone in Florida or Michigan would vote for a man who decided in the primaries that our votes didn't matter and didn't even want his name on the ballot.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Sep 08
I think Spall already put that matter to rest; he said what I'd been alluding to for months but since I don't live there and don't know a whole lot of people who do (I do know a fair number) I didn't feel I was knowledgeable enough to argue the point too much. Anyway, I can't imagine all these senior citizens, other than the rich ones, voting for McCain no matter how pi$$ed off they may be at the opposition party leadership.
Annie
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@liscampll (124)
• United States
17 Sep 08
OMG! You should see the people working the polling places in Palm Beach. Retired is putting it nicely. LOL
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Sep 08
PLEASE, let them get it right there this time! I'd say for it to even be a toss-up should be a good sign for Obama. If there were only some say to make sure all the votes get counted, none of the ballots get lost and everyone understands how their ballot or voting machine works so we don't have another situation like thousands of Jewish voters apparently voting for Pat Buchanan.
Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
16 Sep 08
LOL I don't know why they even do an Electoral Map. Everyone makes perdictions and by their "samples" it always makes me wonder just how good their stats are. My professor when I took statistics said that one cannot rely on the number unless that person knows who was part of the equation. The only thing that I can say is all of those who were/are voting for McCain that aren't sheep might be changing their mind now that Palin was going to cooperate and had nothing to hide and now she is "unlikely to cooperate". According to the newspapers dated before her pick for VP there was already a call for an investigation.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Sep 08
I know...I see so many different percentage points whereever I turn, on the web, television and radio. It's a close race so that's what got me thinking about our reputation, and well earned I might add, for vote counting problems. 
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
16 Sep 08
Yes spalladino because we all know the problems with voting there LOL
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@evanslf (484)
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16 Sep 08
Florida may be a toss up on CNN, but I have noticed that a number of state polls put McCain ahead by 5 points or so on average (see www.electoral-vote.com) Now if the economy moves centre stage and Obama manages to take advantage, then Florida could well fall in the Dem column but at this point, it's looking slightly as if the Republicans will win this state.
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@liscampll (124)
• United States
16 Sep 08
I'm in Palm Beach County. I sure as heck hope they get it right this time. We elected a new Supervisor of Elections, hopefully this person is competant. I hate that my county is the laughing stock of the country! I sure would love to see Florida go blue this year!!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Sep 08
"Well they can't go blue if Obama and the DNC won't count our votes. They didn't count them in the primaries so I don't know why Floridians are so eager to support them now."
Taskr, you know that I like and respect you immensely and that you're one of a few conservatives here I can actually have a civil discussion with without being insulted or told I'm stupid; however, this is beginning to sound much like a broken record, for those of you who remember what that is. The primaries have been over for months now, the conventions have ended with all the Democratic delegates seated and we're in the general election campaign mode in earnest now. You said "the DNC won't count OUR votes"; I don't think the DNC was about to count YOUR vote to begin with, was it? Personally, I'd guess there are lots of Floridians with lots of reasons to be eager to support the Democrats now, depending on where they stand on the issues. What I sure don't know is why they'd be eager to support McCain/Palin if they don't agree with them on much of anything, which if they were registered Democrats who voted or wanted to vote for any of the Democratic Presidential candidates that would be exactly the case.
Annie
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@liscampll (124)
• United States
17 Sep 08
I support them now because I vote the issues.
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