will Islamic terrorists succeed in Islamization of India?

@amirev777 (2760)
India
September 21, 2008 11:23am CST
hi First it was creation of pakistan and bangladesh,then it was ethnic cleansing of kashmir where all the kashmiri pandits were forcibly evicted and now the recent bombings in the major cities of India,these islamic terrorists in name of 'jehad' have come a long way.I feel Islamization of india has already started and will continue.
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• India
25 Sep 08
No, Islamization of India will never happen and I don’t really believe much in all these terrorist crap. There is terrorism, there is bombing but I also believe that a majority of innocent Muslims are being targeted unnecessarily by the predominantly Hindu Indian establishment. This had to happen…you cannot forever deny justice and equality to a victimized people and expect them never to retaliate. Hindus have always been victimized by Muslims, right from Mahmud of Gazni to Aurangzeb (Akbar being an exception) to the partition and lately even in Kashmir where successive Governments have been just mute witnesses to the ethnic cleansing of Kashimir pandits. Can you believe that Indian from another state can buy land in Kashmir? Does this happen anywhere else in any free democratic secular country? Why do you think there’s so much human rights violation in Kashimir? It my personal thought that the predominantly Hindu Indian military is avenging the wrongs done to the Kashmiri pandits in an indirect way! Similarly, the Hindu in the police force is taking out its pent up anger and frustration thru encounter killings and false implications of Muslims. This had to happen…until and unless the government wakes up and tries to govern this country in the true ideals of secularism and democracy, such mislabelling of Indian Muslims will continue and in turn terrorism will increase (since Muslims are not particularly docile types).
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@amirev777 (2760)
• India
25 Sep 08
hi sudipta Let me bring to your kind notice that Islamization of India had started long back when the muslim raiders started invading and plundering our country-we had to pay prices in terms of pakistan,bangladesh and now kashmir-this will surely continue-it may not happen during our lifetime,bu slowly and surely we will start losing more and more pieces of India-it is a cancer that will surely spread throughtout the country-shud we not think about our future generation??
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
25 Sep 08
and yes-this is one article that every sane Hindu must read-plz remember that in India when a muslim talks about protecting his interest-he is only labelled as a minority talking about his right, but when a Hindu talks about protecting his religion-he is branded as a Hindu fundamentalist.Plz read this fantastic piece of article written by 'esterlou'-"This is a little scary!" in religion section of mylot.
• India
26 Sep 08
Yes, we should think about our future generation and that is why all the more I want a situation of peace and trust and not confrontation. My family from all sides and my husband’s family too are Bangladeshi refugees. Our grandparents were hounded out of that country and somehow they just managed to land in India, alive but penniless. The mindless violence, bloodbath, hatred, revengeful outburst of majority Muslims against minority Hindus, left them scarred for life. There are thousands of such Bengali families here, some have re-established their life and family, many have lost their way forever. Centuries of bondage with their motherland was snapped just because some power-hungry zealots in Delhi wanted to carve this nation for their own benefit and we the people were gullible enough to fall into their trap. We are still in their trap…and the sooner we realise this the better. Our grandparents came from Bangladesh and made India their home, we are living our lives here, where will our children go? Today in the newspapers there was this Nanavati Comminssion report on Godhra massacre…I am sure you have read it. Fact is that I believe neither the Bannerjee Commission nor the Nanavati Commission. Lalu Yadav is very pro Muslim and Narendra Modi is very pro Hindu…so the truth will never come out and we will continue to kill each other.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
23 Sep 08
It was a sorry day when Islam arrived in the Indian sub-continent. Muhammad Ghazni in the 10th century managed to breach defenses in what is now known as the Punjab. Two hundred years later Muhammad of Ghor arrived and that was the beginning of the Delhi sultanate. Forced conversions, Jeziya the poll tax and horrible tales of desecration, pillage and loot abound. Aurangzeb of the Mughal dynasty was the archetypal wicked bigoted moslem. For about 500 years the moslems held Delhi and pockets of India. The creation of Pakistan was an appeasement to Jinnah and this was decided in 1946 by the British. An unwieldy islamic state of Pakistan was created and they could not manage themselves ever since. So in 1971 it fragmented through mismanagement and the cesspit of Asia i.e. Bangladesh was born. 60 years after independence Pakistan exhibits all the characteristics of a retarded child and a rogue state. As long as it stays Islamic, it is unlikely to become a viable country. Bangladesh continues to sink. In your country, India they moslems who did not go over to Pakistan continue to be a fifth column. They have no national loyalty and with about 150 million and growing without population control they have the potential to destabilize India. While it may be too late to send the remainder of the Muslims to Pakistan, the muslim terrorism in India should be contained. Muslims must follow the laws of the largest democracy on earth. I think you have enough of cultural and social values that preclude any thinking person to convert to Islam. And now they cannot put the sword to people's throats and say "convert or die". The only way they can grow their ilk is through unrestrained production of children, which the last Indian census in 2002 shows disturbing signs of growth in Islamic numbers.
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
23 Sep 08
hi coffeechat! I must really salute you-you have an prolific knowledge of Indian history inspite of not being an Indian citizen that it puts an india like me to shame.besides you write in impeccable english.Yes I agree with you that its too late now to pack off all the muslims to pakistan.The sooner the majority community become aware of the growing Islamization-the better it is.
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
23 Sep 08
My dear Saikyo, It is the first time I want to write to you directly-I did not feel like writing to you but I now know that you have gone thru a hell in ur short life of 22 years-you have only got peace and solace in islam,which according to you has given you so much so you owe everything to it.You are entitled to ur opinion.but why not keep ur islam and its principles to yourself and be happy-why impose ur thoughts on others?I dont want to impose my beliefs either on you or my cute little 4 doggies who mean so much to me,who love me so much,for whom I am the world-I do not wish to convert them to Hinduism forget about all other religions.
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
23 Sep 08
hi saikyo!! I am not powerless or helpless against islam,neither will islam ever be able to vanquish Hinduism at least in India or Hindustan ie country of Hindus.muslims have for long plundered our country,massacred our countrymen,converted forcibly thousands of fellowmen-but still in India a Hindu can still talk with his head facing the sky-while a muslim is looked down upon as an evil incarnation.Try with all your means,but Hindustan will be always for Hindus.Let me quote to you what our Lord Krishna has said in Bhagvad Gita-bible of Hindus- Just like all the streams,all the rivers all the seas finally meet the Ocean-No matter which God you worship,whether allah,whether christ or moses or any other God,if you worship with deep faith-You will be able to attain the Almighty,attain peace and salvation-does not matter if u r muslim,christian or any other religion-they are all same for him-just like all sons and daughters are same for their parents.I wish you good luck saikyo-may you be happy with ur religio but not at cost of others!!!
• United States
23 Sep 08
sure wish this flea that keeps bothering me would go away
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@amirev777 (2760)
• India
24 Sep 08
hi there, the flea that has been bothering has been banished atleast from this discussion-but we cannot banish him entirely from mylot!cheers and take care!!
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• United States
24 Sep 08
thank you so much
@piya84 (2591)
• India
23 Nov 10
I have heard there are many groups who are trying to islamize India and pray that it will never happen.This is plain scary.We have been through islamic rules and we have had enough.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
21 Sep 08
The Islamic people believe that it is important to convert everyone that they encounter to their belief system. They cannot deny this because it is deeply engrained in their religion. In this they are much like christians, only more agressive and more prolific. Yes, eventually, India will be another Islamic country. I do not know if they will become terrorists, but they will become Islamic. This does not have to be derogatory as long as they do not destroy but rather improve and do it peacefully. Above all things that part of the world needs to see peace. Shalom~Adoniah
• New Zealand
23 Sep 08
Islamic people have no track record of good governance. There are only two rulers in Islamic history - Haroun al Raschid and Akbar who established best practices in governance. Outside of these two paragons of virtue Islamic history of governance and succession is embellished with patricide, fratricide, bloodshed and despotism. A 360 degree search around the globe fails to reveal any Islamic country that either upholds anything that is good in the Koran or good governance as the civilized world understands the concept. It is a fact that wherever Moslems live in any concentration, there is ignorance, strife, backwardness and where Moslems govern there is despotism. Turkey is one country that made great strides of progress since Kemal Attaturk began his reforms, but they are sliding back into the morass of Saudi promoted wahabism. India's challenges are related to unrestrained moslem population growth and the fact that India's founding fathers, Gandhi and Nehru were liberal thinkers. India's constitution is an awesome document which guarantees freedom of worship and provides a special status for Moslems. A less tolerant leadership would have given the moslems a chance to head off to Pakistan and created intolerant laws for Muslims in India. The strength of Hinduism is its resilience, and I disagree that Islam will take over India. There are far too many institutional and constitutional checks and balances that will ensure secularism for the foreseeable future in India.
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@Harley009 (1420)
• India
23 Sep 08
I'm an Indian and a Muslim. The division of Pakistan and Bangladesh is nothing related to terrorism. It is some politics happened at the time of Independence strikes, and it went in the hand of some people those had some influence in some areas, and Finally the Mahathma Ghandi and independence troop had to agree with it to keep peace in the society. Regarding kashmir, you are seeing only one side of coin, so many Hindus and Muslims got killed or had to flee from there in the border fights, terrorists fights, and soldiers activities. Regarding terrorists of India, there are terrorists known to belong to Extremist Hindu ideology and Muslim ideology as well. Don't just white wash by saying 'Islamic terrorists in India'. All terrorists in India ruin our Indian nation, all of us want India, neither a Hindu India nor a Muslim India, we want true India with peace and harmony of all kind of religions all cultures. Who ever inject any extreme ideology of possessing nation and promoting bombings and killings are terrorists and they should be stopped. India is for Indians. There had many blasts, killings, vandalizing, and brutal activities some are accused Muslims, some accuse al-Queda, some accuse Extremist Hindus. Recently there had attacks towards Christians and Churches in Orissa by Extremist Hindus by accusing forceful conversions and missionary, ok, nowhere in India reported any person who forcefully converted to Christianity. Indeed forceful conversion should not be happened, belief should come from one's heart. If agree for a moment that there had forceful conversion, is it a right thing to do destroying churches, homes and attacking? Also there had attacks in Bangalore and Kerala, towards churches, two more churches vandalized, Don't you consider Muslims and Christians as Indians? And BajrangDal's leader in Bangalore admitted that they did it because of importing missionary to India converting people. Everyone has the right to decide what he has to believe, it's one's personal choice, non-Hindus in India not destroying cultures? Every where have some bad people and good people, but we should condemn bad people and not generalizing it with their namely religion they labelled with. Terrorism win nothing rather than hurting and killing people. If a Muslim go for terror acts he is no longer a Muslim, Terrorist can't Islamize or Hindutwise India but they can terrorize. Any Indian who see the fellow Indians irritative way are no longer a true Indian. I'm an Indian, I'm a Muslim, I love India, I love Indians. I always want to see India as One country with all kind of people living together with peace and harmony. Jai Bharat. Peace.
• New Zealand
23 Sep 08
Harley, Your post is refreshing. Yes, there are many good Indians of the Muslim faith. Dr. Abdul Kalam foremost among them. India is a secular country that has Constitutional guarantees for freedom of religion. Further, India has also allowed the Muslims to practice Islamic Sharia law for family and personal matters. However the malignancy of fundamentalist Islam in India cannot be denied. Education and Itjihad is the only cure.
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@amirev777 (2760)
• India
23 Sep 08
hi when Bharat was divided into Hindustan and pakistan,it was accepted that all the Hindus from pakistan wud leave that country(and they were forced to),in return all the muslims shud have left the country.it was becuase of anti-hindu leaders like Nehru and secular hindu like gandhi,that Muslims had what you call"eat the cake and have it too".If all the muslims had left to pakistan,there wud be a total peace in India. Now let me answer your questions one by one. 1.Partition has nothing to do with terrorism:Actually the terrorism in India is sponsored by Pakistan.But they cannot carry out terrorism unless they get help of local people.This is where they get help from local,misguided muslim youths(who stay in India but celebrate whenever pakistan wis a cricket match) who carry out such terrorit acts in name of "Jehad".There are many illegal banglaseshi muslims also who have settled in India are also a good source.now not all muslims are terrorists-but all the terrorists who have been responsible for killing so many people in kashmir,serial bombings in Mumbai that killed hundreds of people,the attack on Indian parliament,recent bomb blasts in Bangalore,Gujarat and Delhi are muslims.I shall ask you whether you know these people-DAWOOD IBRAHIM,TIGER MEMON,AFZAL GURU,TAUQEER-what is the religion of these people?For the recent bomb blasts,INDIAN MUJAHIDEEN,publicily accepted responsibility for the blasts,IM is new avtaar of SIMI-what does the letter "I" in SIMI stand for? 2.Violence in Orissa-how did it start?do you know who killed Swami Laximnanandji?he was killed by maoists in connivance with Christian missionaries bcoz he was preventing the christain missionaries from converting tribals and other people into christianity.He was doing it peacefully.How wud you react if these same missionaries were converting muslims into christianity?The violence that followed were i retaliatio for Swamiji's brutal murder. 3.Attack on churches in karnataka:I agree with you that everyoe has right to change his religion,convert to any religion but it shud be from his own free will and not forced-it shud not be done either with help of sword or by allurement.Do you know that missionaries there were using foreign funds for the same?But that was not the main reason for the attack-the main reason was the missionaries were distributing derogatory articles on Hindu Gods.How wud you react if Hindus were to distribute articles defaming allah or prophet mohammad?
@Harley009 (1420)
• India
25 Sep 08
See the following link of HindustanTimes "Who is a real hindu ?" by Karan Thapar http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=de847806-8ec0-4ed2-aff5-e9317f5539d3&&Headline=Who%E2%80%99s+the+real+Hindu%3f&strParent=strParentID I know many Hindus, Christians, Sikhs etc. and have a lot or friends and neighbours in them. We used to live in peace and harmony.
• Egypt
21 Sep 08
will you show some respect to peoples faith plz?! your topic is very disgusting:( why every one bombared himself you call him muslim?! too bad from you:(:(
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
21 Sep 08
hello friend how can u show respect to some religion when it does not respect other religions.Newayz ur username suggests u r from Yugoslavia or some region in the vicinity-my geography is really poor-probably it is serbia or croatia now.BTW,u shud concentrate on improving ur english. take care and happy mylotting
• Egypt
21 Sep 08
no i am not from nither the countries you mentiened and i am happy with my english this way! and BTW the name isn't related to me from near or far...i just created it and that's all;) the quetion to you now how to consider every one bombarding him self a muslim?! due have any evidence for that or you just want to make a show?! have you ever read about islam? do you know that islam consider killing people as the most worst thing a muslim can do ever in his life and he will got punishment for it?!! have you really know well about islam to talkl about it this way?!! before insulting any religion i hope you be sure of what you are saying in order not to put your self in troubles..
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@amirev777 (2760)
• India
21 Sep 08
hi You still need to improve the command over your english-Okiedokie,so you are not from the countries I mentioned-I hope you are not from India,it will be fine if you are either from pakistan or bangladesh. but I really like you-you have a fierce commitment for your religion-thats really great.As far as evidence and testimonials are concerned, you ca ask the next of kin of so many peple killed in India during past few weeks. take care and have good day
• United States
21 Sep 08
probably and also the UK and the US if we who love freedom keep sticking our heads in the sand and refusing to admit they are our enemies!
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
22 Sep 08
Thanx a lot revdauphinee for expressing solidariy for crusade against the terrorists who kill other in the name of religion.Its not a easy task mind you.I do not want to argue wih such radical believers, but every one knows that the recent blasts in India were carried out in name of jehad by indian mujahideen(they have admitted it)-it is basically a reincarnation of banned terrorist outfit-SIMI,which stands for students islamic movement of india.
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• United States
22 Sep 08
i for one will support the people of India against this evil may my God be with you
• United States
23 Sep 08
what housewives I am not one ill have you know i worked for nassa for 22 yrs and have never been a housewife !however most American housewives have it over you when it comes to brains and intelligence they have not been brainwashed by a satanic cult as you have
@Reaman (2)
• Pakistan
27 Nov 08
amirev777 ! Seeing a psychiatrist is a must for you ... should be at the top of to-do-list. I am a psychiatrist my self and I can see the all signs of radicalism by reading all of your posts. Terrorist organizations are always on a hunt for prospects like you. Take care of your self and please don't hurt anyone ... p.s feel free to correct my English.
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
22 Jul 10
Mr Psychiatrist or psycho, whoever you are!!! I am not a member of any terrorist organisation. BTW, even if i were interested in joining any terrorist organisation, I would be disappointed coz I am a Hindu; and there are no Hindu Terrorist organization. You can preach ur phychiatry to members of SIMI,IM,LeT and other islamic organisation.Being a true Hindu, I wouldn't even hurt a fly, But as Varun Gandhi said, if anyone tries to mess up with my religion in my own country, then I wont mind slaughtering anyone in self defence. BTW, I am a highly qualified Marine Engineer and have travelled all over the world and have interacted with people from different races and different culture.Most of them agree that Islam is threat to the modern world. Jai Hind!!!
• India
25 Sep 08
Dear Friends , Just See The Current Scenerio Pakistan too suffered from Terrorist from Afganistan side . Its not only happen in INDIA. Terrirism have no Religion , no central Ambition. They are simply Bloody hell for World . People Like them fear to fight face to face . so they Kill Innocent people only.
@amirev777 (2760)
• India
26 Sep 08
dear amit you say that terrorism has no religion-yes you are right to an extent-what what about the recent blasts carried out by Indian Mujahideen-do you know of the e-mail they sent to a TV channel-they clearly mentioned that they were doing it for allah.do you know anything about SIMI?Do you know that it is banned in India?do you know that it was an islamic terrorist group fighting for 'jehad'?do you know that Indian Mujahideen is the new avtaar of SIMI?as far as the recent blasts in pakistan is concerned there is a saying-'what you sow-so shall you reap' and when you talk about afghanistan,you have to talk about Taliban-do you know what is the motive of Taliban or Al-Queda?Do you know why Dawood Ibrahim and co carried out bomb blasts in Mumbai-the very city which had given him everything?I think you shud subscribe to "Sanatan Prabhat"-it gives all the information about the atrocities committed on Hindus in India-and I m not talking either of pakistan or bangladesh.
@Reaman (2)
• Pakistan
27 Nov 08
Aneja