Is this the end?....

Choir group - I am hopeless with my choir group..
@mycharm88 (2288)
Philippines
October 5, 2008 12:15am CST
good day everyone... I have been into this group (choir) for 12 yrs. I've seen the ups and downs of the group, i've stayed even in the hardest times. We experienced that our accompanist just left us without notice... Glad that God replaced him with one of the members who was still studying piano at that time. Members were in and out of the group, there are a few who also stayed until now, but most of the members are no longer joining the are just present during occasions. Our trainors have to go away for their job. I was viewing awhile ago videos of famous choir groups here in my country and suddenly tears were falling, yup! i cried because i miss those good old days when most of the members were still active, we had dreams of performing on competitions or recordings...well, those were just dreams, don't know if we'll be given the chance to. Now, i am elected as the chairwoman of the group and i don't know what to do. We are only 7 left from 25 before...What should i do? I can only sing, but i cannot train, i cannot play the piano/keyboard, only the guitar but only the basics... Should i leave too? i just can't, i love the group and i love to sing for the Lord... Do you have this kind of experience? have you been in a group/organiation that slowly dying? Pls. I need your advice, i want to help the group. Thanks in advance friends c",)
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10 responses
@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
5 Oct 08
you are a member for 12 years now and you dont know how to train? i dont get it. i started singing in a choir at the age of 14 i only stayed there three years but i leanr how to train singers. as i became a member of a band.... singing in a choir is different than singing in a band. the styles and the way you sing the song is different. so from experience i gain a lot and when i reached the age of 28 i know how to train singers. that is one of my job, a voice trainor. being the cahirwoman you need to go around your block and to ask youngsters, that they might like to join your group. i hope you learn how to train. it is much easier if you know how to train for you can get more members for your group. try to join choir singing contest on malls so that you can attract more people to join for competing is really fun and a good challenge. if you need more pointers i am willing to give you just IM me. i am most gladly to help. you cant just go now and think this is the end. collect members and if you think they are stable already that is the time to go. dont leave while the group is in the verge of stumbling. have faith
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@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
7 Oct 08
training them is not necessary you have to know how to read notes. teaching them how to expand their lungs and some technics how to sing properly or how to hold their breaths is one thing you can do to help them or to train them. i am sure you can share them all your technics on how to sing and your style as well. share them what you know i am sure that would be a great help. always make practise a fun time and dont let them feel bored. you can do it baby you can do it
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
I must admit that i am not as talented as you are dear c",) I regret the days that i ahev been passive, thinking that it's just the responsibility of the leaders to train and i just did my part which is to sing from my heart. I can't read notes only looking at the notes ups and downs, i regret that i never encourage myself to learn to read them and don't know how to play the piano. I learned the guitar but only the basics. I am not going to quit just yet, i know they need me and i believe that GOD will guide me. I realize that now, maybe i should start learning now. Thanks dear, you guys are great help! i do need some tips, and training guide too... Any suggestions on where to start dear sweety? I would appreciate it
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
5 Oct 08
You need to recruit members. You need to ask about ways to get members. You have positions to fill. The things you can't do, you need to find others who can do them. You can't do it alone, you need to ask all 7 to help you find new members. If each of the 7 can find one other person, you will have 14. Plus you need to find someone to lead and someone to train as well as whatever else comes up like someone playing the keyboard. So 16 would not be 25, but it could breathe new life into the group. At 7, you can still rescue it. Pray for help with this. You were elected for a reason, ask God to help you. Give it your best shot, then after you've done the best you can, decide if you should stay or leave. Take care and good luck.
@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
Wow! i just felt a tap on my shoulder!thanks dear... thanks for waking me up! I forgot that i have GOD beside me, this is all for HIM and i know He will never fail me. I'll do my best!
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
6 Oct 08
No problem, just remember that when Moses was staring at that great big sea and wondering how he was going to get all those people across, the sea parted. So what's a few choir members that you need, ya know? You can do it! Go for it and glad you liked my response. Take care.
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@williamjisir (22819)
• China
5 Oct 08
Hello mycharm girl. I am so sorry that you are getting fewer members in this group for some unknown reasons. But I think that so long as you persist in it, your choir group will expand again soon. Now since you are chosen as the chairwoman of the group, just be brave enough to take the post. So long as you spend time practising those musical instruments, I am sure that you will be qualified to be leader of the group. Practice makes perfect. You can do it, charming girl.
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
Thanks for your encouraging words dear c",) I realize now that it's not easy when you don't have anyone to turn to. Our Original organizer of the group had to be away because he had to earn for his family. Some reasons why members quit: Busy with school, busy with work, some had to work somewhere else, busy with family, personal issues with other members, doesn't like the parish priest and some just bored. I need their commitment and i have to try talking to them again. I know it won't be easy but i still would want to try c",) Thank you so much!
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@paxmundi (80)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
Hi, I empathize with you because I used to be a part of a choir too and I saw it also slowly "die." Mostly because we all slowly got older and began starting our own families. But for those who were left behind we tried as best we could to keep the fire going. May I suggest you have auditions first for someone who could accompany those of you who are left. Choirs don't have to be big at all. In fact it is easier to handle a smaller group. What is important is the you keep the group together and you keep on singing. Once your group has regained it's bearings again then maybe you can start finding new singers to join you as we did. Don't leave! If you love the choir stay there and keep it going. Your love for the group believe me is enough to push you to do what needs to be done to keep it going. Next, try to infect new members with the same love you have for the choir. This will ensure that when the time comes for you to leave, because of the same love for the group you have instilled in those who will be left behind, the group will continue. I know it seems a long, hard task ahead for you. As I have said use your zeal and love for the choir to inspire you. For as long as you are there, there is hope and a future for your group. Good luck to you and break a leg!
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
9 Oct 08
Good day dear paxmundi c",) Thank you so much for the advice, as of now i am thinking of ways to solve the problem. Yes, i am not leaving the group, i just can't. And i am praying hard for help and i know He will find ways for us to survive. You are very right dear!c",) tc always my friend c",)
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Oct 08
Is your group part of a church? If so, ask your pastor for some help. Maybe he or she knows of someone who can lead a choir and recruit some new members. It would be terrible to see this group fall apart. Why did the others leave? No time, or group politics? You really need to bring someone in who can help you stay together.
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
Yes, we are a church choir dear c",) I think you're right even if i am busy with work i should find time to ask someone for help.The reasons why some had to leave are the following: The parish priest doesn't like our group because he doesn't like new songs, he wants us to sing the very old songs, he once scolded us after the mass, his voice was loud enough for the church goers to hear and warned to suspend us if we will sing those songs again. Most of the members including myself doesn't understand why. We sang well and we did our best to sing well but it's not enough for him. Another is that some are busy with school and some had go someplace else for work, some are just bored, maybe personal issues with other members.Thanks dear, do appreciate your advice
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• Philippines
5 Oct 08
that's the way it is. nothing last forever. whether you are giving your best your everything or doing nothing...time will come...you and your group part ways. you everything you want...what you thing is the best for the group. be open to them. have a pep talk 15 minutes before you start you group routine. what's important is... make the most of the time you have together since you dont know when is the next time you meet again. make a group activity like food trip. simple food to be shared will tightened your bond. study piano if you wanted to. or anything you wanted to do. but be ready and open if the possibility of parting ways. only God knows. being honest is a big key to success.
@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
I guess you're right friend and i cannot hold them if they want to quit. Problems have been coming every year. The reason is most members are busy including myself, some are still studying and most are already working.Some had to be away to work. I always have that in mind to study music... I regret the days that i hve been passive, was just putting the responsibility to our previous leaders and trainors. Now that they're gone I should try to study piano and choir training myself. Thanks for the advice dear c",) tc
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@stella1989 (2274)
• India
31 Oct 08
I am in my church choir group too .. And yes we have our youth group too. We also used to have a really really good choir group in our church. Well we have it to today as well but not that good.. (also the members are not the same) There are some old ladies who just can't get their voice to some high scales and we young people have to to listen to them just because they are old ... please remember that they are not old members they are just old. And we have a so so keyboard player.. But hey something is better than nothing!!! We had our church feast last to last Sunday and the choir was bad.. But its ok we all youth group are planning to rock this Christmas!! And that needs a lot of practice sessions and hours and commitment.!!(to make a group you have to commit yourself to it, it needs effort.) We are also planning to have a youth orientation camp this November in our church so that we all could get all of our youths of our church together and Do something all those who have left the group and think its not important any more!! I can advice you that firstly have a good relation with all of your choir members, make friends with them and go out once a while. This would keep the group alive. Just because you are choir group doesn't mean that you should remain serious kind of person .. I mean have fun with each other. And just believe in God he is always there. And don't forget to enjoy with Him!!
@Zelmarq (12585)
• Cebu City, Philippines
16 Oct 08
If you will not invite younger ones and train them im sorry to tellyou this but this wont progress any longer. There should be fruit bearing, it does not stop to one person but it goes on and on. Thats the beauty of disciple making, we spend and give our time to others coz this means we are giving them our lives. And when you see these younger ones to train they see your life as an example and are also touched with the kind of life you live. Dont leave,if itsfor the Lord, what ever it takes give it always your best shot.
@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
31 Oct 08
Yes dear c",) i am in the process of recruiting new members and for the old members, encouragement and more time to practice. Another member will leave us soon, but i am not loosing hope. This is all for the Lord! I do need you prayers... thank you for the nice response and tc always te.
• Indonesia
5 Oct 08
hi mycharm, first thing first, congratulation on being elected as the chairwoman of your group. i am sorry to hear about your group's situation. i can understand what you feel on watching your choir have only a few members left. yes, every group will always experience the ups and downs, even the beatles. it is the recurrent challenge which can either develop the group or destroy it, depending on how we face the dynamic situation. i also sometimes experienced such situation, even worse. i several time join groups (play/drama, martial art, local youth, etc), and i still joined most of the group when they were slowly dying. i had experienced being the last man standing or the last of the mohicans anyway, it's good you are elected when your group seems to be in the nadir point of its history. it's a good start. that's the right time for you and other member who really love the choir to change the situation. you can start inviting new members. in a small group, the present of new members is always cheering up and encouraging. good luck!
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
6 Oct 08
It is never easy and through the years i guess God would never allow the group to part ways. I believe now that this is just another test for us... There have been attempts to destroy the group but God never left us. Recruitment is my plan and focus on the members relationship. Thank you so much for your idea my friend c",) Take care always...
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@granmeme (162)
• United States
14 Oct 08
It seems as though this choir is a love for you and a bright spot in your life. It is natural for you to be apprehensive when things are going down hill, but it is very important to hang in their and be with them during this time. Our church has been going through a rough time and I feel this would be the very worse time to leave. Now is the time for us to show our support the most. Be strong and be confident that everything will work out for the best. Talk with the other members and see what they want for the choir, you may want to set some goals for the choir. Get the word out that you are searching for new members, maybe have a fun raiser to make people aware that your choir is out their. Maybe you could give a concert for a upcoming event in your community. Most of all keep the faith and pray. Ask God what he wants for your group. Ask him for the courage and strength to help your choir and to let whatever his will is triumph. Good luck
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@mycharm88 (2288)
• Philippines
31 Oct 08
Hello granmeme, sorry for the delayed reply but i've read your response last three weeks ago but just didn't find the time to respond. I did what i have to for the group and for now, i am in the process of recruiting new members but at the same time encouraging old members to stay. Thank you so much for your suggestion, perhaps a concert will be planned if the members would be stable. Yes, we are doing it for the Lord and i am not quiting!God bless and tc my friend c",)