What would you do if your child told you to shut up?

United States
October 6, 2008 1:44pm CST
I went to the store this afternoon, and the moment I walk in I see this little girl running amuck. She's a good 10 feet away from her mother... she's probably only about 4 or 5 years old. The mother yells at her a few times and the girl ignores it. Then the mother threatens to take away a toy. At this point the girl stops, whirls around, screams "Shut Up!!", sticks her tongue out and blows raspberries at her mother, then turns her back and sticks her nose up in the air. She's still a good 10 feet away in a crowded store. So I look to the mom to see how she's handling this, and to my surprise, she isn't the least bit concerned. The mother has now taken up friendly chatter with the lady behind her, and is completely ignoring what the little girl is doing. Needless to say the toy was still in the basket, with every intention of being paid for and given to this rotten little girl who's mother didn't care. I was completely floored by this situation. I mean I've seen some spoiled brats in my time, but none like this. I just stopped and stared for a few moments. I seriously wanted to say something to the mother, but of course I didn't. My children would never do something like this... they know better! When we're out in a store they will stay at my side, they won't say a word and won't ask for anything. And if the words "Shut Up" ever came out of their mouths, I don't care who it's directed at, they would be very sorry children!! I don't stand for that sort of disrespect from my kids.
10 people like this
30 responses
6 Oct 08
To be honest here i think the mother was not totally wrong in the way she handled the situation, i mean what would be the alternative? to turn around and shout back at the child in a crowded place or even to smack the child? She may well have diciplined her when they got home or then again maybe not, who knows. We all have different styles of parenting at the end of the day and the way our children are rasied is down to us alone. I think they lady in question has a right to raise her child the way she see's fit, this is not an attack on yourself please dont take it that way its just that each to their own and all that. I have to admit i am not very good at diciplining my own children and have found myself in the same situation today actually when my 2 year old son was having a temper tantrum in the chemist and started hitting me, i told him not to do it and picked him up but he still carried on, i mean what were my other choices in the situation i do not know. I do however know the people in the chemist were looking at me in probably the same way you and the rest of the shoppers were looking at this lady today and that just made things worse. My son has behavioural problems so he doesnt understand what he is doing sometimes and i just want to scream and shout at them that its not his fault and why judge! this girl may have had similar problems who knows? my son looks perfectly normal but has a host of behavoural issues that are currently being looked at by the hospital. Like i said tho hun please dont take this the wrong way i just wanted to put another perspective on the topic and hopefully let you see there may be another explaination or story behind this.
3 people like this
• United States
6 Oct 08
First of all the mother was totally wrong because that child is going to be a menace to society, and my children are going to be the ones dealing with it. If this girl doesn't learn respect now.. when will she? Obviously she is not being properly disciplined at home, otherwise she'd know better than to act up in public. Second of all... your choices when your child starts throwing a temper tantrum is not to put up with it!!! It doesn't matter if he has developmental disabilities or behavior disibilities...you can still put a stop to it without damaging the child. The first step is to leave wherever you are in put the child in the car. Doesn't matter if you're in the middle of the grocery lane or with half of your groceries on the belt... LEAVE!! Alls you're doing is teaching your son that if you're in public he can get away with murder! I don't believe any child's behavior problems are their own fault... I believe they are the parents fault. Parents need to properly discipline, and if you can't or don't know how... take a class or read some books!! It's not fair to the rest of society that we are the ones to suffer for your child's misbehavior.
2 people like this
6 Oct 08
firstly my sons behavioural problems are due to suspected autism / aspergers so he does not understand either way. All i am saying is you did not know this child, you do not know her background and family life and situation. There could be any number of reasons for her outburst not just becuase she is a 'menace' Would you catergorise my son as a meance?
1 person likes this
@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Believe it or not the difference between a two year old and a four or five year old are significant. By your even picking your child up and tell him to stop you at least made an effort to get his behavior under control. I don't think ignoring bad behavior is a solution. Smacking a child is certainly not the answer, that would just humiliate them. I'm in favor of taking them out of the environment whenever possible and explaining to them that the behavior is inappropriate and won't be tolerated. But the situation described in the discussion shows the mother ignoring the bad behavior and even rewarding it by buying the child a toy that they did not deserve. But you are right...at the end of the day parents can raise their children the way they see fit. However, people will judge the parent based on the child's behavior. Children don't come with instructions and parents may feel overwhelmed by situations like these. But most situations are not unique nor are they impossible. Their are many books, experienced friends and family and even self help or support groups to use as resources for coping with children's behaviors.
3 people like this
@redkathy (3374)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I'm with you 100% on this friend. One time my youngest did say that to me, although it was at home. I was in my office and just hung up the phone. I told my youngest son to go and do something, I think his homework. Anyway the phone rings, I tell him to go, and at that moment he said Oh shut up Mom. Well I spun around in that office chair and slapped him. First and last time we ever had that! He was shocked. I was so angry and surprised and I told him so. I sent him to his room. Respect is one of the most important things we can teach our children. With out it how can they ever be expected to be productive, confident, loving people otherwise. Have a great night my friend.
3 people like this
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Maybe he should turn around && slap you as well... You think you just showed your son respect by slapping him? I think not. So if respect is so important to you, then teach by example. All your showing is if he doesn't like something he hears, he can go around slapping people. Bravo!
1 person likes this
• United States
7 Oct 08
You are so right RedKathy. I would have done the same thing. Luckily I haven't yet needed to do so. I think my kids know they would be severely punished for disrespecting me or anyone else.
@redkathy (3374)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Thanks for your opinion. It was once, a reaction, I'm the mom and it was warranted. He was not hurt, and I NEVER told him to shut up so I was and am being a good example. My son is the most loving, God fearing adult I know. He has great personal convictions, stands on them, respects others and himself. I don't think he learned all that on his own. Have a great night.
2 people like this
@Amberina (1541)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I see parents like the one you saw all the time and it makes me shake my head in shame because those spoiled brats are our future...sad. I have 3 kids and when my two oldest one's where about her age, they are about 15 months apart, I took them to a restaurant and they sat there queitly and ate their food and even had a milk shake because they where being so good. This older couple where sitting behind us and when they got up to leave they came over to me and complimented me on how well behaved my children where. I was very proud of them and myself for doing a good job to this day they are great kids they are moved out and have lives of their own. My youngest is 14 yrs old and he has learning disabilities so he's a little slower but he has very good manners and I think all kids should be raised with manners. I don't think parents who just have kids to let them run amuck should depend on us the responsible ones to have to deal with the spoiled rotten teenagers they have produced it's not fair and it's sad that they don't care enough to at least go get some parenting classes under their belts.
2 people like this
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
6 Oct 08
kats, so are you trying to say that the mother in the store with the child that was saying shut up is a bad mother or that she is doing something wrong? I'm just trying to figure out what you think.... Because even the most well behaved child can act out...
1 person likes this
• United States
6 Oct 08
I've also been complimented numerous times for my children's behavior in public. They're all very good kids, which means I must be doing something right.
1 person likes this
@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I get so annoyed by children misbehaving in the store with their mothers. I'm not sure I understand it. Is there some new fad in child rearing that says don't reprimand bad behavior from children. Sometimes I go to a retail discount store near my job on lunch and inevitably some poor mother is having a miserable time shopping while trying to unsuccessfully reason with a screaming, demanding, totally out of control child. I watch them whisper and beg the child to behave. I watch them try to negotiate and try to bribe a toddler. Everyone around becomes unable to enjoy their shopping experience. I wonder how these women got to be so helpless with their own child. I have six and never experienced this problem. When my children were very young and I took them out, if they became uncooperative I told them we would have to go home if they didn't behave. If they didn't behave, I would immediately stop shopping and take them home. The next time we would go out, they would remember to behave. As far as the child telling their mother to shut up, that behavior must be tolerated at home without any repercussions. My children learned respect at an early age before ever going on outings. They would have been in fear for their lives to tell me shut up.
2 people like this
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Well you know what.... being a brat child isn't always the case. You know how many mothers go to the store with their child && get dirty looks from other parents because they want to know why the mother is letting that child scream && act up? Did you ever stop to realize maybe that child is having a melt down. Maybe that child has a form of ASD. I'm sure in some cases it's just a brat kid, but there are also other cases where the child might seem to be acting out because he/she is a brat, but that might not be the case all the time. I'm a mother of an Autistic child && although he doesn't have melt downs, as of yet in public areas, there are mothers that struggle with it everyday && instead of glares from other parents who seem to think their child would never act that way because they are taught manners should be more open minded about things && maybe just look the other way instead of judging another parent..
• United States
6 Oct 08
I'm the exact same way. I never recall having to deal with unruly children in public... because I don't allow them to be unruly at home. I have 5 myself, and am often complimented on how well behaved they are.
1 person likes this
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I am just going to take a shot in the dark that the mother speaks to the child like this and unfornately this is what the parent gets back. Is it right? I dont know this is a very young age for a child to learn disrepecting her elders. Respect goes both ways. My daughter at the age of 16 sometimes forgets she is home with mom and not out with her friends once in a while she will slip and say ahhhh shut up, excuse me? Oh mom I am sorry I really didnt mean it disrespectful it is just a saying. Shame on that mom for not following through with her threat of taking the toy away.
2 people like this
• United States
6 Oct 08
I'm sure the mother must speak to the child this way, and the child obviously does it at home and gets away with it. I've never seen a child be a perfect angel at home but a complete monster in public. It's a shame that it's happening so much more frequently though.
1 person likes this
• United States
7 Oct 08
Have you ever heard of "learned behavior"? This is an example of that! This child has heard someone tell someone else to "shut up". Okay, the mother yelled at the child, warning her about something, and the child yelled back... Wouldn't you expect that to happen? Little ears and eyes see things that influence them the rest of their lives. When this mother ignored the child's behavior in public, she opened the door for that to continue. I would have just got the child, walked out of the store and showed her what "NO" means. The mother is a verbal abuser by yelling, herself.
@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I agree with you. Everything would have stopped at that very moment for me and we would have been leaving the store.
1 person likes this
@marciascott (25529)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Nowadays you can't whip your Children, but if it was mine I would give them a few spanks on the but. or take a privilige away.
1 person likes this
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Never say never... even well behaved kids have melt downs. All kids act out in a different way. This child at the store that told her mother to shut up could of been having a bad day. Maybe she isn't like that all the time. You just never know. What point would you have proved if you spoke up to the mother? Better yet, what would you have said to her? Maybe the mother took care of things when they got home... She could of been avoiding a scene at that time && maybe she was embarrassed already from the way her child acted. Maybe that's why she didn't do anything at that time. I'm sure if she would of done something, she would of had someone else judging her. Either way, I'm sure that mom was grinding her teeth. Another thing to think about is, this child could have something else wrong with her && maybe mom knew that fighting back would just make things worse. It's so easy to judge people from what we see though... we should really stop to look at the whole situation before we open our mouth. I think other shoppers sticking their nose in other people's business about their child's behavior is what's uncalled for because we shouldn't be judging or criticizing the other parent. We are all parents && we should stick together. We all have our days. Not saying this to sound rude, so I hope I don't come off rude. Just trying to make a point.
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
9 Oct 08
That's not 100% true at all. Every child with a disability is different. SOme have melt downs, some may not. && an Autistic child, if you knew anything about Autism, you would know that it's not about being taught right from wrong. Autistic children have sensory issues && certain sounds can cause a melt down. So don't come at me saying that an Autistic child should know better because they have several problems that can cause a meltdown. && as for the mother still buying the toy, thats her problem, not yours. You don't know this mothers story or if the toy was even for that child. That is all I have to say... I'm trying to state that you just never know what these mothers are going through && being snooty doesn't help any.
• United States
7 Oct 08
My oldest son has developmental problems, and my brother did as well. Neither of them have ever been rude in their lives. I know many children who have mental disorders yet they still know better than to be rude to someone. Regardless of a child's problem, they can still be taught right from wrong, and the problem should still be dealt with immediatly. The mother ignoring the child and still buying the toy only shows that she is not disciplining this girl. It doesn't matter if you're home or in a grocery store, discipline needs to happen right away. A child of that age will forget later that she had been bad, and the discipline will have no effect what so ever.
@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
7 Oct 08
If I ever said that to my mother or father, I would of been slapped across the face period. If my son had the nerve to say that to me, I would of taken him out of the store and given him a talking to. I would not tolerate that behavior and he knows that. We all raise our kids differently and handle situations differently, but all I know is that I would of nipped that in the butt then and there and not ignored it.
• United States
9 Oct 08
This is why I don't take my child into the store. Kids love to misbehave in the store. Actually, the little girl isn't just being rude, she's desperately trying to get her mom to take her seriously. She's trying to do something to provoke her mom into setting limits. As you can see, the mom is too busy with her own life to really give a dang about the child. That child is asking for limits but her mom refuses to set them. Her threats are empty, cause she doesn't really care. And, the child knows it. It's OK to be strict. That's fine. You care about your children. I'm not really strict. I'm more like a hippie mom. Actually, my spouse said that to me last night. Even he notices. But I don't put up with some things like her saying shut up. She did that once. She didn't know what it meant. But we had a talk and she doesn't do that anymore. She's a really sensible child and easy to talk with. But that's only cause she is smart and she knows that I care about her. Otherwise she'd be just like the little girl in the store trying to get my attention all the time with her bad antics!
• United States
9 Oct 08
I take my 5 kids to the store every week, sometimes a couple times a week and haven't had a problem since my twins were toddlers. Of course the problem was nothing like this one, they were just curious and wanted to run around in seperate directions. And I NEVER buy a toy for my kids while they're with me, NEVER. That's just asking for trouble. If they've behaved in the store I'll let them pick out a candy on the way out, but that's it.
@Mare73 (1335)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I would take her little butt to the nearest bathroom and by the time we got out the bathroom she would be knowing the proper and respectful way to talk to me. BUT children learn what they see; and discipline begins in the home.
1 person likes this
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Angry child - A photo of an angry looking child.
That sounds like a case of a child being spoiled that's for sure! I have seen behavior in public of children too and sometimes it seems like the parents just let it happen. Sometimes I have seen the opposite happen where the parents lose control and hit their children in public. I guess that each parent has a specific way of handling their child but I know if my son were to behave this way there would be no toy going home with us! It sounds like you have some good kids who have it under control. I know that it still isn't always easy to be a mother.
• United States
6 Oct 08
I've never hit my kids in public... but if they acted the way I saw this girl acting, I think I probably would. Heck I wanted to hit that girl myself, and then the mother next, lol. Luckily I've never been in a position to feel the need to hit my kids in public... because as I've said... they're very good kids and they know that if that behaved that way, they would have concequences.
• United States
7 Oct 08
cbreeze- I respect your opinions.. however... I don't believe discipline should be any different at home or in public. If the child thinks discipline will not be as severe in public then they will attempt to get away with more. And I firmly believe discipline should be dealt immediatly after the offense.. not later. So if it were my child, yes I would smack them in public right then and there. Then they would see it is not acceptable and they would never do it again.
@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
6 Oct 08
If you see the parent lose it then you pretty much know where the child gets their uncontrolled behavior. I believe in spanking children when it is appropriate, but I don't think it is appropriate in public. I think that only serves to humiliate a child and make them build resentment. The object is to discipline them and help them understand whats acceptable and what is unacceptable. Also to help them understand their are consequences, good and bad, to every decision they make. If they make bad decisions the consequences should be unfavorable and they should be favorable for good decisions.
@my2boys (821)
• United States
7 Oct 08
My child would never (i hope) takl to me or any other adult like that. If he did and it was the first time I would explain to him that it was disrepectful and he shouldnt talk to people like this. If this was something he did all the time then he would be in some sort of punishment when we got home and there would definitely be no toy.
@animeniak (425)
• United States
7 Oct 08
What I would do? I don't have a child as of right now, as a matter of fact I'm only 19 -_-;; but I would just smack my child in the fact or somewhere of that sort (not in the head though) Because he/she deserves it! I think any of my relatives would want to beat the crap outta that child, if any of them sees that scene. This discussion reminds me of my own story at Chicago; I think when I was like 11 or something, I was at a restaurant with my cousins and brother, and there was one kid who told his mother this: "I'm gonna kill you, mommy!" I was pretty surprised, and the kid looked like he was around 8 or 9. There were times when I really hated my parents for many reasons, but I really don't remember saying those terrible words to my parents, no sir not at all. Then after hearing that, my relatives were like "dude I really wanna beat the $#it outta that s.o.b!!" then I think the others were mumbling about the kid's behavior. That was like... 8 years ago... and one thing I really don't understand about the parents these days is that some parents don't give a darn about their child's behavior. I guess in today's world, it just cannot be helped. The number of "careless" parents are getting higher and higher, and more kids are becoming more immature and just acting like bunch of fools these days... "sigh"
• United States
7 Oct 08
Disciplining a child can be difficult. Sometimes it's easier to just ignore the behavior. But regardless how difficult it is, it must be done. The child must have a concequence for everything he/she does, that is how they learn not to do things that are unacceptable.
@ravinskye (8237)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I'm with you. My middle one is 3 and she gives me a little trouble but even she knows better than to tell me to shut up. In the store she does pretty good. They both know not to ask for toys or anything, but sometimes the 3 year old wants to walk up ahead or hide under the clothes racks. If she really acts up in the store I get a hold of her and tell her sternly that she better knock it off or she'll be getting it when we get home. that usually works. She's been pretty mouthy lately, she's learning it from her sister because her sister talks to her like that. I've been trying to straighten her out. So far it is slow but it seems like she is getting it. we were taught not to talk to adults like that and i want my kids to learn the same respect.
• United States
7 Oct 08
I've recently begun letting my toddler walk by himself while we're grocery shopping. It saves me the hassle of having to push 2 carts around the store.. 1 for the kids and 1 for the groceries. Well the first couple times I let him on his own he had a hard time staying by me. It's natural for that age, they're so curious. But after a couple warnings I would eventually grab another cart and stuff him in it. He soon learned that if he wanted to walk on his own (which he loves) he will listen and stay close. Now my only trouble is he walks directly in front of the cart, so I have a hard time moving around, but I can't complain. He's such a sweetie sometimes.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
7 Oct 08
That is part of the problem with the modern generation. When I was a child if I had done something like that I would have got a smack on the leg. A little smack is not child abuse and it makes a child pay attention and learn to behave. I just cannot understand modern child raising practices.
• United States
7 Oct 08
Same here. The first time I swore in front of my mother I got a smack in the mouth. I didn't cry child abuse or any of that nonsense. I just learned to watch my mouth around my mother.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Oct 08
hi catsmew if my child had ever told me shut up she would never do it again as I would grab her, and spank her little tush right there. I do not believein spanking but disrespect would trigger that in me. neither of mychildren ever told me shut up. guess they knew better.
• United States
7 Oct 08
I agree sometimes kids need a spanking, but it depends on the situation. It's not good to spank out of anger.
@saundyl (9783)
• Canada
7 Oct 08
Wow. I don't have kids but I was raised to not act like that in a store so I'd try to raise my own children to show respect and behave in public and at home. If it had been my sisters or i acting like that mom would have been marching us out of the store right then and there to the car for a lecture. We wouldnt have gotten the toy and we wouldnt have been allowed to go with her the next few times.
• United States
7 Oct 08
That would be a good way to handle it.
@fasttalker (2796)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I agree with you. I am appalled at some of the outbursts I see from kids in malls and department stores anymore. Not getting the toy (which she defineately wouldn't have got) would have been the least of her worries if she was my child! LOL Reminds me of an incident with my son (now 24) when he was about 3 or 4. We were at Kmart and he decided that he was getting this toy he picked up and it was fine but he also decided that he was done shopping and so was I. Well after the whining and wanting to leave I took the toy and swatted him on the backside and told him he wasn't getting it. He quitened down and seemed like he took his punishment pretty well and I finished and we went to the car. As I pulled out of the parking lot he just pulls the toy out from under his shirt and starts trying to open it! I thought I was going to wreck! I pulled backin the lot and took him inside and told the lady at the service desk that I caught a shoplifter. They were so good about it. He jumped right on it and was a pro! On the trip home he had little to say because he was to busy watching out the back window for the police to come! LOL Today that would be considerd being mean to the child. I wish people would take the time to teach their children these lessons early in life and it could prevent some major issues down the road! Have a great day!
• United States
7 Oct 08
A similar situation happened to me recently. My children and I had walked to the local store and on the way home I noticed my daughter had something in her shirt pocket. I asked her what it was and she got all worried. So I demanded to see it and it was candy that she had taken from the store. I was so angry. We marched right back to the store and I yelled at her in the store. Told her to apologize to the cashier for stealing it. Everyone looked at me like I was being so mean, and the cashier got all sweet with her "Oh, that's okay!" No it wasn't okay, and my daughter deserved to be treated that way so she understood it was not okay to steal! How dare they look at me as if I'm being mean. How else are we to teach our children right from wrong?
@Avi_Gan (191)
• Philippines
7 Oct 08
I'm pregnant now so pretty soon, I'm going to have a kid of my own and I hope, hope, hope, that my child doesn't grow up to be a brat. Here, in the Philippines, it's common for children to get spanked, so growing up, I had my share of spanking. But since, I experienced being at the end of the rod, I promised myself, I wouldn't ever spank my own child, aaaarrrgh, so now I don't know. Maybe, I'll just react when the situation presents itself. I've seen two or three kids inflight (I work as a flight attendant) that couldn't be controlled by their moms and sometimes, I really want to give them a good spanking, especially when the other passengers complain and they take their complaints to us, but of course I resist the urge and instead move out of the area i.e. hide!
• United States
7 Oct 08
There are times when a child needs a little spanking. Most of the time a talking to will work, but the child needs to know that if it gets totally out of hand, he/she will get a spanking. Usually just the knowledge that they will be spanked is enough for them to not get to that point so long as the parent is consistant with the concequences.