McCain has tunnel vision

@ms1323 (259)
United States
October 8, 2008 3:07pm CST
Does John McCain feel any responsibility towards anyone but the already rich and powerful and veterans? The rich and powerful can certainly take care of their own affairs and only need looking after in regard to keeping them rich and powerful, so I wont even waste my time on them. And before you all attack me - I am NOT saying we don't owe a lot to our veterans or that they don't deserve to be respected or looked after. What I AM saying is they are not the only group of people that deserve these things. Over and over again I hear him talk about veterans and how he intends to look out for their best interests. Fine, great in fact, but what about everyone else? He is a veteran, was a POW and it is more than understandable that he wants to protect them. But does that mean that if he was never middle class he does not need to stand up and fight for them? (And I don't know if he was or not.) Or because he is not a woman or in another minority group he should not look out for their intrests as well? I am left with the impression that he is either unable or unwilling to sympathize with the largest demographics in America simply bcz he can't relate. He has given me nothing to feel that he has my family's best intrests in mind.
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• United States
9 Oct 08
I'm sorry, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems you are not listening. McCain talks talks talks middle class. They both do, actually, but McCain says more detail. I'm tired of Obama's beautiful, eloquent speeches, that sound wonderful, get you excited for the future, but when finished, you think about what he said, and realize he actually said very little about his real plans or beliefs. If you are sincere about wanting to know, i suggest you go to his website, johnmccain.com and read what he has said about all the issues. That is a good start and then you can do more research. He has repeatedly talked about the middle class and the poor, about how people can't afford their mortgages, their food, their gas, nothing. I heard him at either the first debate or the convention talking about saving billions of US money by not sending so much overseas to countries that "don't like us very much", and instead using the money here to curb the deficit and help our citizens who need help. Read between the lines on Obama and you will start to see the pattern of him believing government should take care of us, including telling us what/how to do everything. He will little by little erode our rights more than they already have been eroded.
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
9 Oct 08
I can understand what you are getting at, but too - we must understand that none of these guys including the President, can do what they say they're going to do all by themselves. Bless his heart - my poor brother has been spoon fed all of the junk from the liberal media, until all he can comprehend is that Presiden Bush is to blame for 911 - Katrina - the war - the economic situation, and my hang nail. He would vote for the devil himself if he was running on the democratic ticket. I've never seen him so absolutely "rabbid" about the President, and the entire republician party. As you say, folks should go the websites and read what the candidates themselves say, and or only listen to what the candidates say - - the media is so biased it is pitiful. They always have to put their spin on things. Ok - I'm going back to my corner and sit down. Keep smiling.
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@ms1323 (259)
• United States
9 Oct 08
No disrespect taken. You have your opinion and I have mine, that's the way of life. You are correct, I have heard him speak about the middle class I just fail to see the substance behind his words.
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• United States
9 Oct 08
Hmmm....what exactly has Obama said substantial to help the middle class?
• United States
8 Oct 08
Apparently, quite a few veterans' groups don't think he does a very good of looking after the vets either. Disabled American Vets, VFW and Iraq and Afghanistan Vets all give him low marks on supporting issues that are important to them. I know that he's said he voted against the new GI Bill repeatedly because he thought he could get a better one for them, but that's been disputed as well. http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/08/mccain_watch_mc6.php http://tinyurl.com/2x5sw4 The second is a tinyurl link to McCain's veteran's policy page on his own web site. Since I've had trouble getting tinyurls to work here, it's tinyurl.com/2x5sw4 - try cutting and pasting it.
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@ms1323 (259)
• United States
8 Oct 08
Thank you. Do you know, have they taken any polls directed at vet's only? I would be interested in seeing those results.
• United States
9 Oct 08
sorry, ms1323 - I went looking for one and the only ones I could find were conducted in 2000 and 2004 - those aren't very helpful here unfortunately. There must be something out there, though.
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@ms1323 (259)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I really am surprised they haven't done one during the campaign. Thanks for looking.
• United States
8 Oct 08
Mr. McCain is not fit to be in office, and if you look at his latest numbers, they clearly don't favour him on November 4th. I don't see how--considering his age and his health--he could be equal to the job. Secondly, you are absolutely right. I cannot see a man who has money's grandma, whose wife owns about 7 houses, can sympathise with the Average Joe. This is a guy who can't even remember how many houses he owns! He says he is a "maverick"--Joe Lieberman has called him "a different kind of Republican." It worked for awhile. But people see now...boy do they see!
@ms1323 (259)
• United States
8 Oct 08
Wow, his wife owns 7 homes? He is, obviously, completely out-of-touch with the majority of the people living in the world, let alone America.
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@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
9 Oct 08
"I don't see how--considering his age and his health--he could be equal to the job." He's younger than Reagan and Reagan was a great, and very popular, president. The properties his wife owns are mostly rental properties, not homes they live in. Criticizing them for owning properties is like criticizing a landlord for being a landlord. If wealth is how we determine who is in touch and out of touch then you could say all the candidates are out of touch. Obama and McCain both make millions every year. The Bidens makes over $300,000 a year and the Palins make around $150,000 a year. They're about as close to middle class as you'll ever get in a presidential race. On a side note, while Obama and Biden hoard their wealth and donate very little to charity (0.1% for Biden), McCain is giving all the proceeds from his book sales to charity as well as the raises that congress gave itself in the 90's which he voted against that's 27.2% of his income.
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• United States
9 Oct 08
It is really a shame that more people don't pay attention to the details that you just mentioned, TSKR, to all the details and the real facts, instead of basing their beliefs on sound bites and misinformation from people who are so obviously extreme, to say the least. If they did, they would see McCain for who/what he really is, and see Obama as he is, which at the very least has far left leanings, and that is being mild. Also, this stuff with his relationships with Ayers and others. People keep trying to make something out of McCain's Keating 5 mess, which is not even in the slightest bit the same thing. Ayers, in the last few months said in an interview that his only regret about what he did as a terrorist in the 60's was that they didn't do enough! Not only that, but he was down south meeting with Chavez just in the last two years, pushing his education program and how it is drastically opposite the capitalists up in the US. Yet, no one asks Obama any tough questions about this. What if Obama secretly plans to change our way of life far more than any of you know? It will be too late to stop it once he and his cronies are in power at every level of government. Obama has not been honest at all in answering what few questions he's been asked. He has too many friends and acquaintances who have publicly declared their feelings of G-damn America, overthrow the government, etc. But instead of grilling him til he finally truly answers, everyone looks deeper into McCain, a man who regardless of a mistake here or there, has a stellar public record, and private one.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Er, sorry to burst your already-small bubble, but despite what McCain says, he actually has a terrible voting record on veterans' issues, much worse than Obama's. Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave McCain a grade of D for his record of voting against veterans. (By contrast, Obama got a B+.) (Source: http://www.iava.org/full-ratings-list) Disabled Veterans of America noted McCain’s dismal 20 percent voting record on veterans’ issues. (Obama had an 80 percent.) (Source: http://capwiz.com/dav/scorecard.xc) In a list of “Key Votes,” Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) notes McCain “Voted Against Us” 15 times and “Voted For Us” only 8. (Obama voted for VVA 12 times, and against only once.) (Sources: http://capwiz.com/vva/e4/cinfo/?id=157301 + http://capwiz.com/vva/e4/cinfo/?id=157311) So yeah...sad to say, but it's JUST the rich and powerful. Not even veterans.
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@ms1323 (259)
• United States
10 Oct 08
So you're saying I gave him too much credit? I'm sure you've seen how much other's disagree with you on that!
• United States
10 Oct 08
It's not me that's saying it--it's all these vets' organizations. I've yet to find a SINGLE non-partisan veterans organization rate McCain better than Obama. Also, troops deployed overseas are contributing nearly six times as much money to Obama as McCain. (Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html ) Put the two together. The troops aren't stupid. They know who their candidate is, and they're not going to blindly vote for someone just because they were actually in the military. While McCain did well to serve his country, his actions since returning, especially his voting record, do anything but encourage the idea that he is the candidate of choice for veterans. It's as simple as that.
@spalladino (17924)
• United States
8 Oct 08
Contrary to those who call me an Obamabot I do have to say that I don't believe John McCain has tunnel vision, I believe that he's promoting what his party perceives as his strengths, which is completely normal in a campaign. McCain has a connection to vets and our military because he served so he has to try to gain their confidence as often as possible. If my husband (who is a disabled vet) is any indication, he's not doing that. I don't believe that McCain would ignore the needs of women or the middle class if he were president and he spent time talking about the middle class during the debate last night. How much he really sympathizes...that's anyone's guess.
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@ms1323 (259)
• United States
8 Oct 08
Well if his party believes he only has the one strength, I guess that speaks a lot about the man. I have 3 retired vet's in my family and none of them believe in him either. Thanks!
• United States
9 Oct 08
Senator McCain's interest revolves around the almighty dollar and President Bush's lead who they have to stomp over for this is just minimal drag on there momentum. His vice presidential candidate what a joke, as I stated in an earlier discussion the only thing she really has going for her is being a women. No good choices but we have to get the current president out. As former president Clinton said on David Letterman the next president can't do any worse.
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@bwaybaby (904)
• United States
9 Oct 08
I'm glad that he cares about the Veterans. I'm an Army brat, so veteran affairs are important to me. His never mentioned the middle class in the last debate. I consider myself to be middle class, maybe upper middle class.
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• United States
9 Oct 08
I'm not disagreeing with you. I do think he focuses too much on one topic. However, that just means he is soliciting Veterans votes. And that's smart, for one reason. There are so many more guys and gals getting out of the military (from the conflict in Iraq). And they want to be assured that they will be taken care of. If they knew a candidate would take care of their concerns, then they would cast their vote for that person. What has Obama promised for the Veterans?
@ms1323 (259)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Yes, it is smart to focus on a group, but I think he would be much better served if he spread the wealth a bit (no pun intended!) You're right though, I'm not sure if I've heard Obama touch on the subject or not. Could that be, perhaps, bcz it's the main focus of his opponent?
@trv231 (152)
• India
9 Oct 08
i completely agree with you the rule for rich and powerful is different wheter they are vetrains or youngters. Please remember we are not biting og if it bites us.Let us improve ourselselves rather than look for others
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