do you have any self respect or not????

@ramangill (1479)
India
October 25, 2008 5:23am CST
all i see in the discussions of god is most of people come with statements like "this is written in bible" "this is written in quran" "this is written in gita" i dont understand one thing do they have their own mind or not, we are noone's slave,,why cant we write our own bible,geeta,etc,,,,on our own personal experiences.
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@mojcica (1512)
• Slovenia
25 Oct 08
All the mention things should just be used as help in deciding whats write or wrong, but not be taken as the only thing to consider, something that is the ultimate truth without using ones head. I have noticed that too. I do belive all the religon have some good things and some bad things in them, but they shouldnt be taken as , as I said, an ultimate and the only truth there is.
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@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
"All the mention things should just be used as help in deciding whats write or wrong" but how can people be so sure that anything written in these books is right,,afterall they are also written by people like us.
@mojcica (1512)
• Slovenia
25 Oct 08
Everything written, no matter who wrote it, is either good or bad, its only common sence that tells us if we agree with it or not. If its written 'its ok to hit a neighbour'....would you agree with this only cause it would be written in a bible or would you use your common sence and decide if this is the best thing to do or not. Anyone who blindly follows any kind of leader (which anykind of religion basicly is) and not using common sense is just plain foolish.
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@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
ya true
@dong1970 (1573)
• Philippines
25 Oct 08
I do respect myself,I f will not respect myself anybody would not respect me also.Respect for myself is only my wealth that can't be stolen from me.
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@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
lol,,ok sir. next time please read the discussion also. thanks, we respect you.
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@liquorice (3902)
25 Oct 08
I agree with you wholeheartedly! We are lucky enough to have our own minds, and it's good to use them and decide things for ourselves rather than blindly following the word of a book. If we agree with what it says then fine, but we should think first, and decide first whether or not we do agree. Following on from this (kind of!) it confuses me when people say that we should be good people (not steal, kill, be unfaithful to our partner etc...) because it says so in the Bible etc.. And also the converse; when they say that without faith we cannot be a good person as we have no framework to tell us how! I find this so insulting and patronising! Most adults know the difference between right and wrong without having a book to teach us this. And I know lots of non-religious people who are good and kind people, and some of which do work for charity, without having religion to justify this.
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@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
you said it very true,sir we need not to read any book to tell us that killing someone is not good.
• United States
25 Oct 08
thank you!! im sick of having conversations and peoples only answer for or against the subject is that it is or isnt not in the bible there fore is bad.. umm.. not everything in this world is in the bible and if you want to go through every little thing they would see they follow more things that ARE NOT listed in the bible than are.. there fore if they are saying what i believe in has to be bad for not being in there they need to look at their own lives!! people definitely need to learn to think for ourselves!!
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@Darkwing (21590)
25 Oct 08
The sad part about all this is that all those people who have to quote their "special" books relating to their religions, without realising it, believe in basically the same thing as everybody else. But, as you say, they have to be led and seem unable to think for themselves. There's one thing respecting your deity and living to his/her wishes but another when you have to copy everybody else. Deities do not EXPECT you to do exactly as is written... they EXPECT nothing more than respect and recognition... the rest is up to you. We need to learn the lessons of life, respect ourselves, our deities and other living things, whilst choosing our own paths, to succeed in life. Brightest Blessings.
@Ravenladyj (22992)
• United States
25 Oct 08
I agree and have to wonder myself just hwo much self respect ppl like that have and whether or not they can in fact think for themselves...I find it highly amusing yet so sad when during a discussiion a person is UNABLE to answer a question without quoting the bible..how brainwashed does on have to be to be like that ya know..
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• India
26 Oct 08
ohk! self respct is lyke GOD 2 me..nthn greater dan selfrespct! i cant leave ma selfrespct 4 ne stupid stuffs..self respct comes first! coz..it tells u were u stand..n wt kinda human u r!
@ramangill (1479)
• India
26 Oct 08
lol!! ok sir,we respect you
• India
26 Oct 08
hheeheh! keep respecting its great! wel..im a gurl! :P
@ramangill (1479)
• India
26 Oct 08
ok mam, did you read what this discussion is all about??
• Indonesia
26 Oct 08
ok, im a Catholic myself, i beleive in Jesus Christ in the heaven, but i also beleive in the big bang theory, and other scientific theories which are controversial to that of religions. in my opinion, religion is sumthing that believers(in our case, most of the worlds population) treat as the true law; fair and just. like most religions, wrong doers in thier present lives will be punished in their next, while good deeds will be rewarded e.g. hell and heaven yes your idea of having our own religion is not bad, but not good as well. since a religion is sumthing that we believe, it will only be effective or recognised when it has a global influence, like our top 5 prominent religions. if not, the religions practices and taboos will not be respected.
@ramangill (1479)
• India
26 Oct 08
hey thanks for posting your first ever response on my discussion,, you said. "i beleive in Jesus Christ in the heaven, but i also beleive in the big bang theory, and other scientific theories which are controversial to that of religions." isnt this a contradictory statement?? second thing you said that our own religion will not be respected,,but why should we care about it,,you just have your own experiences,write your own book,,it shouldnt matter if others like it or not.
@bdsurf (703)
25 Oct 08
I am not agree with you ramangill. I love to to think mine as a slave, but only for the god and not not for any other human being. I must have own strong personality but I must can't go against the rule of god like the rule of government. If all people start making own rule and don't care the rules of a country, can you imagine what will happen? A person who currently have no work will start hijacking give this cause that like other he has the right to do a job. many problems will occur. Now, if we can follow the rules of a country, then where is the problem to follow a god? Do you know that yet now, in the super success time of science man yet not capable to create a single eye. Then what about human body? Do not you laugh by seeing the robot comparing with the man? Then, are there no really no god, who managed this world so beautifully? Then, if god can give us all then why is the problem to say like "this is written in bible" "this is written in quran" "this is written in gita"? Please don't mind. Might be I have lack of knowledge. Happy day to you and all!
@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
hmmm,,sir i m not talking about god,, i m talking about giving all your life to these books,,,which are just written by humans. how can you say that 'bible','gita' are given by god?? thanks, take care.
• United States
26 Oct 08
I'm not aware of books of other religions, but where I am of course there are the bible thumpers and yes they love this "You can't know right from wrong without the bible" Well, ya'll might want to go back and read that beginning part in your bibles of the Adam and Eve story because apparently you forgot about that one. You know the whole forbidden fruit story?...Yeah. Also I know of many good, kind people that never harmed a soul and have never picked up any kind of religious books in their lives. Explain that one. Its funny how these overly religious types are so full of morals yet they are usually the most close minded.
• United States
25 Oct 08
honestly, i don't like quoting the bible to people who dont believe it in the first place, it's a futile attempt to explaining one's point. i make arguments based on reason and logic so that i have a common ground with the person i'm arguing with. as far as reason and logic are concerned, it is absurd to imply that quoting a line or two of a book, the bible for example, rips off your right to your own judgment and self expression, therefore a form of slavery. of course not! that's completely illogical. what about a math textbook saying 1+1=2, is it slavery for a first grader to believe it or to reason out that he believes the book? well, he's just a kid, he doesn't know much, you say. but we grown-ups use a dictionary, slavery too? No. you say, but these dictionaries are written by people like us, why do we let them dictate to us how we are supposed to use them? My friends, that's because we are humble enough to admit that we dont always have the right answers, we have answers but they're not always correct. ultimately, we are not always in the right position or expertise to decide what is and what is not right and correct. these people who use the bible admit that the wisdom around God, faith and the history of the church are beyond their expertise, so they refer and quote the bible. one thing i dont understand and agree to is quoting the bible, and imposing the biblical passages as truth to a non-believer or anybody who merely considers the bible as a literary craft, a tale, or a product of the writers' illusions.
@ramangill (1479)
• India
25 Oct 08
well what can i say,,if you dont find any difference b/w a math question and question of god. the former is complete outside concept. the latter is complete inside concept.(not even a concept we can say) in former if Einstein develops a formula,everyone can see its true practical impact in ATOM BOMB. but in latter if jesus drinks water,it will not quench others thirst by just looking at him how he drinks. and until we drink ourself,,we can never know its taste,,, thanks.
• United States
26 Oct 08
ram, I believe the point was that just becuse a person quotes a religious book does not mean they have given up their right to their own thoughts. Once every three weeks I have a research paper due for my college courses. I am required to use outside sources. I have to use a compilation of 3-10 pieces of peer reviewed literature. I often quote pieces to help make my point clear. If anyhting, the poeple who use scripture in this sense have actually used a more intellectual approach to their discussion than you have to this one.
• United States
26 Oct 08
Ok, so first we have to clarify that there are three distinct groups of people in these discussions. 1) the brainwashed sheep that you are refferring to. 2) the brainwashed sheep of the scientific community. and 3) the level headed mediators in the middle who may or may not have faith in some form of diety/dieties. Now, onto your question. I have plenty of self respect, I make my own opinions, I share my personal experiences, and I grow through every circumstance. But, when appropriate I will quote the Bible, among other literary works to wupport my statement or argument. Not to say...se it is written so it is....but to show that I am not the only one who thinks that way, or to share with the person where they can read for further information. Your assumption that anyone who quotes the bible, or other religious book, does not have a mind of their own is an ignorant and prejudice one to say the least. Some of this world's most intelligent leaders, revolutionaries, and inventors quoted scripture...are you saying they had no self respect or mind of their own? I really wish all of the religion haters out their would find something better to do with their time rather than pick on the people who threaten their way of being so much.
@ramangill (1479)
• India
26 Oct 08
well,,if you have your own thinking then it is gud,, i m talking about those people who make the idea of god from these books without having any proofs experiences of their own . thanks.
@ShellyB (5244)
• United States
26 Oct 08
First I am trying to connect the tittle of the discussion with the discussion itself. I do have self respect. But I am not sure what does that have to do with religion or any religious books? I do believe there is a God because he has answered my prayers when I needed it the most, if the people represent well or not at all in any religious book that is yet to be seen. It seems to me that people need to believe in something, and that they take these religious books as a proof of their beliefs. Can we write our own bible? I guess we can but saddly none of us seem to want to.
@ramangill (1479)
• India
26 Oct 08
"they take these religious books as a proof of their beliefs. " but where are the proofs???,, and why should we need to prove from somebody Else's experiences??? why not write our own encounters with god and talk on the basis of our own experiences. \thanks.