Clinton's Smoke And Mirrors!!!

@rodney850 (2145)
United States
October 30, 2008 8:38am CST
Alright, enough is enough! There are certain people here on MyLot(one in particular) who still maintain the lie that Bill(slick willie)Clinton produced a surplus in the US budget which magically disappeared when G.W. Bush took office! This is exactly what I have just stated, a lie!! The following fact-finding article with links to sources and proof positive that the only thing Bill Clinton did was manipulate numbers to make himself look good, period!! The national debt INCREASED every year of the Clinton administration! Even if it had not increased and we had actually had a "surplus", unless you use that surplus to pay off the debt you really didn't have a surplus! It would only be a surplus if the debt was paid off and there was still a number on the positive side of the ledger! Here is the article: http://www.letxa.com/articles/16
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
30 Oct 08
This article BEGINS with a premise that is total nonsense: "The U.S. Treasury website that tracks the U.S. National Debt proves there was never a surplus because the national debt went up every single year" -- http://www.letxa.com/articles/16 This statement proves that whoever wrote this has no idea of the relationship between defecit/surplus and the national debt. A budget surplus or defecit has to do with whether the government spends less or more (respectively) than it takes in that year. A surplus means it brought in more money than it spent, and a defecit means it spent more than it to. A budget surplus and a national debt increase can easily co-exist for two reasons: 1. The national debt ACCRUES INTEREST, making it grow REGARDLESS of whether the budget is balanced! In fact, even if you had a surplus of a few hundred thousand, for example, and put it all into the national debt, guess what? The INTEREST gained on the national debt would COMPLETELY offset that money, and it would still rise. The money put in would merely make it rise MORE SLOWLY (which is good, of course)! 2. Extra money from a surplus is not automatically 'dumped' into the national debt, so even if you had enough of a surplus to actually lower the national debt, but you ended up using the money for something else that was needed, like defense spending or a tax cut, would that magically negate the existence of the surplus money, just because the national debt rose? Of course not! In conclusion, claiming that there magically was no surplus BY VIRTUE of the national debt increasing is UTTER nonsense (although the national debt as a percentage of GDP spending did go down under Clinton), and the fact that one blogger says otherwise does not change that simple fact. Just so you know, I'm holding onto this response in case you get the bright (read: stupid) idea to try and push this claim again, despite its clear debunking. Face facts and move on; you're wrong.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
30 Oct 08
ClarusVisum, Thanks for the comment. I was beginning to think you of all people wouldn't respond to this post. Your "debunking" of this claim only serves to prove you know absolutely nothing about economics, budgets or debt, period! A surplus implies that you had more than enough money to pay all of the bills and get out of debt. While there may have been a little extra money at the end of the budget year it most certainly didn't balance anything! Until runnaway spending is brought into check and the national debt is paid off there can be no "surplus", period!! Not in the Clinton years, not in the Bush years and most certainly not in the Obama years if we have the misfortune to go there!
• United States
30 Oct 08
"A surplus implies that you had more than enough money to pay all of the bills and get out of debt." You are lying. A budget surplus is a state in which, in the course of a (fiscal) year, you take in more money than you spend. By your logic, we've NEVER had a surplus, because we've NEVER had enough money left over to "get out of [the national] debt". But that's just not how a budget surplus is defined. Of course you can reach any conclusion you like if you redefine "budget surplus" to mean what you want it to mean, but it won't change reality.
• United States
30 Oct 08
Please explain what part of my original post was wrong, and why. Be specific. This ought to be good.