End of life a few years from now? Or just more hype?
By James72
@James72 (26790)
Australia
November 1, 2008 3:27am CST
We have had many people throughout history come and go with tales of world destruction. But this time it seems there are a number of coincidental references all focusing on considerable turmoil leading up to 2012. So should we once again take all of this with a grain of salt? Or take it more seriously this time?
The Mayan Calendar stops suddenly on December 21st, 2012. These guys have been remarkably accurate and even knew of Pluto before we did. Their findings are still being cross referenced against astronomical events to this day and are always accurate. One such reference in Sumerian and Mayan texts refers to a "body" called Nibiru which passes close to Earth once every couple of thousand years. Could this be true and could it have catastrophic consequences?
On the date of the 21st December, 2012; our planet will become part of a galactic alignment that only occurs once every 26,000 years. The result of this alignment is a complete mystery so could THIS cause catastrophic consequences?
Nostradamus, I-Ching and Mayans/Sumerians combined ALL allude to the years leading up to 2012 as being full of bad things with 2012 being the end. And look at world afairs. War is escalating everywhere, economies are crumbling and natural disasters are becoming mroe and more frequent. So what do you think yourself then? Just more hooey or could this actually be the beginning of the end once and for all?
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9 responses
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
1 Nov 08
On the actual prophecy, personally it think it is hooey.
What should we do ? Take heed James. This is what i believe. Use this warning as a time to seriously reflect on what the heck is going on around us. Economy issues, terrorism, Envoirnmental related..Reflect, quickly identify and start taking corrective measures for we may just destroy ourselves rather than "Nibiru" doing it for us.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Nov 08
I agree with your poin regarding taking stock and acting accordingly. Prophecies such as these have come and gone throughout history but what has mankind actually done in light of it? Nothing really. We all tend to just live our lives blissfully ignorant of many factors that have the potential to ultimately lead to our demise. It would be nice to have the collective world view such references as these as a wake up call but it is unlikely they will. 
Thanks for the response.
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
1 Nov 08
Come to think of it James. Even in the the case of Nostradamus, in my personal view we have been more effective in post martem analysis of his predictions and unable to decipher his future ones. So could be the case here.
Taking stock and Global action is the only way forward. But unfortunately we are all caught up in being concerned about ourselves. I do not want to sound like one with a black tongue or think harmfully or negatively, but it seems that only a global catastrophe will unite us
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Nov 08
Nostradamus's predictions can be so vague though and can be explained in a way that ties them in to so many different current events when you think about it. His soothsaying is not specific at all and very metaphorical on so many levels. This is what I find so interesting about the current Mayan angle. This scenario actually has supportive phenomena that provides specific credibility to the possibilities of accuracy for once. Of course it is an unknown still what these galactic events may set off; but it is still an intriguing tie-in!
I agree that we seem to be at a point in humanity where a global catastrophe may be the only way for us all to unite as one; but the concerning factor is always whether self preservation mentalities will override the need to consider the common good? I just hope we never need to test this theory to confimr once and for all whether we are able to truly think globally or not.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
1 Nov 08
I have no idea James.
But as far as I know that the Mayans were quite accomplished astronomers. They were much ahead of their times most of the Mayan cities were located very scientifically keeping the latitude and SUN in mind. The Mayans could easily determine the dates of solstices. No wonder their other predictions on the solstices, tropics and the SUN came true. I was watching all these in Discovery the other day and was dazed long after the telecast. It was not only intriguing but they were bang on. So, if we keep this in mind, 21-12-2012 is doom's day. But a lot of things have happened after their time which dates back to before Christ, I guess. So, the the date might not coincide. But the fact that we are going to face a lot of disasters most probably would be true. The way we are contributing consciously and sub consciously to the nature, nothing is improbable.
I feel, this is but the beginning of the end not because of any prediction but the way we are moving.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
1 Nov 08
I have a lot to say regarding this. Nostradamus, Mayans, Mimpis....
Just wana buy some time, gotta rush out now....can I??
Just wana buy some time, gotta rush out now....can I??2 people like this
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Nov 08
You don't know mimpi? What's up with that? 
You are very right in your comments about the Mayans and their extremely advanced understandings. The coincidental timings of the planetary alignments etc with the ending of their calendar is an intriguing balance. The fact is that nothing may happen at all but it certainly has to be thought about! They were NOT a race of people that talked about cataclysmic events like Nostradamus; but again, these coincidences are extremely interesting. It could possibly mean that time as we know it and the standard moon phases etc that determine hours, days and weeks/months will change because of these alignments, so therefore current calendars may become obsolete? Who knows? There is no doubt that humankind will eventually destroy itself. WHEN is the ultimate question! Thanks for the response.
You are very right in your comments about the Mayans and their extremely advanced understandings. The coincidental timings of the planetary alignments etc with the ending of their calendar is an intriguing balance. The fact is that nothing may happen at all but it certainly has to be thought about! They were NOT a race of people that talked about cataclysmic events like Nostradamus; but again, these coincidences are extremely interesting. It could possibly mean that time as we know it and the standard moon phases etc that determine hours, days and weeks/months will change because of these alignments, so therefore current calendars may become obsolete? Who knows? There is no doubt that humankind will eventually destroy itself. WHEN is the ultimate question! Thanks for the response.1 person likes this
@SViswan (12051)
• India
1 Nov 08
c'mon....you mean I won't be celebrating my birthday in 2012? Now that's a shame!
Well, I haven't heard of the world ending in 2012...not that I have the time to hear such news.
The last I heard was the one about 2000 and the person who would initiate the 3rd World War being born in the middle east. He would wear a blue turban and have a star on his forehead.
As far as believing goes, I'd like to take each day as it comes. If the world does end on 21st December, 2010..so be it. I have no choice than to go when the world ends...don't want to think too much about it.
But it's interesting to hear such things.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
2 Nov 08
Who knows? Personally, I believe, if it's true then it means only the end of the world as we know it...not "OMG EVERYTHING'S BEEN DESTROYED".
(Would that make REM prophets?) 
All I know is, stuff like this...the annoyable, the potentially big and horrible things like this means that we just have to stayalert and aware of what's going on in the world...and to make sure we're living our lives as if the world could end tomorrow as well as thinking about what we hope things will be like in five-20 years from now.
All I know is, stuff like this...the annoyable, the potentially big and horrible things like this means that we just have to stayalert and aware of what's going on in the world...and to make sure we're living our lives as if the world could end tomorrow as well as thinking about what we hope things will be like in five-20 years from now.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Nov 08
It would be a pretty bizarre spin if REM did indeed end up being modern day prophets xParanoiax! lol. All we can do is take each day as it comes and collectively work together to lessen our chances of global calamity. The issue today is that most of us carry on our lives blissfully unaware of the impact we are having on the well being of our planet. Time will tell what the end result will be because of this. Whether it is something that occurs in direct relation to predictions such as these or something longer term that happens as a result of our ignorance, we just don't know. The fact of the matter is that whatever is going to happen is going to happen so we should focus on quality of life regardless. Thanks for the response. 
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Nov 08
These are all highly relevant points xParanoiax. Quality of life as the main focus is a sad reality actually and history shows that the only time people tend to react accordingly is at the point where things become in their face and blatantly real. Sure we all read about global warming, extinction of species, increasing salinity in water supplies, world starvation and natural disasters etc; but until such time as they hit us directly we tend to lend a certain amount of curiousity only for now. Nature will continue on in whatever form necessary because it doesn't think and act the way we as humans do. Evolution has proven life forms ability to adapt to ever changing environments and they will continue to do so long after we are gone! I too will raise my glass to toast the future and let's hope that we always have one.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
3 Nov 08
I think the environment is a pretty important thing to be aware of -- if only because, if something big happens...then nature's our last refuge.
But there's alot of other issues which could lead up to catastrophe if we continue to be ignorant and uncaring about our ignorance. Like freedoms, what's going on with our drinking water, food security...and on the larger scale -- new weapons, sciences, and potential wars.
Awareness matters so much to this world we live in, just knowingsomething's going on can help make sure it never reaches a bad point.
But the focus on quality of life, as you said, sort of just encompasses all of this -- so hopefully, with everything that's going on right now people will realize how much we all need to be aware and work for the best, even when faced with great unknowns.
So, here's to the future! (However long that ends up being, lol)
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@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
1 Nov 08
What the? The world stops a few days short of my all-me-all-day. I hope I, in some way, inspired you to start this discussion, James. Ahahaha. No, I don't think I'll take it seriously THIS TIME. Before 2000, I was very worried about the world ending. Keep in mind that I was torn between two religions back then and some people from both sides have been telling me I will be going to hell as I wasn't true and loyal to just one. Anyway, it didn't happen. I still partied like it was 1999.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Nov 08
It is our previous interaction that did indeed inspire this discussion SaintAnne! I was reading about these Mayan texts and calendars some weeks back and after we base references were made between us on it I took it as a sign of sorts and went for it! I think we should ALWAYS party like it's 1999 if we can. It seems to work for Prince just fine so where's the harm? Y2K was supposed to be all doom and gloom remember and that was all a total amount of hogwash. And having religious factions spout of tales of damnation etc is certainly nothing new either. Especially if you dare to think differently!
This time around though there do seem to be some interesting contributing factors to at least consider! There WILL be some galactic phenomenon's that will take place so I wonder what the effects will be? It's an unknown but still intriguing. All we can do is live our lives the best we can and whatever happens, happens. Thanks for the response.
I think we should ALWAYS party like it's 1999 if we can. It seems to work for Prince just fine so where's the harm? Y2K was supposed to be all doom and gloom remember and that was all a total amount of hogwash. And having religious factions spout of tales of damnation etc is certainly nothing new either. Especially if you dare to think differently!
This time around though there do seem to be some interesting contributing factors to at least consider! There WILL be some galactic phenomenon's that will take place so I wonder what the effects will be? It's an unknown but still intriguing. All we can do is live our lives the best we can and whatever happens, happens. Thanks for the response. @James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Nov 08
lol. Although ANYTHING would be a welcome change to the election crap this Mayan calendar information has been known for a very long time and pops up here and there occasionally. I am sure that the closer we get to 2012 the more we will see references to it. Aside from the hard core doomsayers putting a lot of focus on this information I am sur that a majority of the world will take this with a grain of salt as per usual. We shall have to wait and see who's right!
@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
1 Nov 08
Yup, just live each day the best we can. As they say, there's no day like today.
I'd better look this up and know more about what you're scaring me with. I think, partly, you just want this out there so the media can get a hold of it and spread it like wildfire post-election.
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@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
2 Nov 08
Of course it is all true. The signs are there. However this IS your lucky day. Everyone send me all your money and I will stop the end of the world in 2012. lol.
Quite frankly if the earth exploded today the vast universe would not notice. An insignificant planet orbiting an obscure sun. We seem only important to ourselves.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Nov 08
Cheque is in the mail mariposaman! Let's just hope the world doesn't end before the mail system gets it to you. And of course we are important only to ourselves! In universal terms it means nothing really, but self preservation will always be of the utmost importance. Thanks for the response.
And of course we are important only to ourselves! In universal terms it means nothing really, but self preservation will always be of the utmost importance. Thanks for the response. 
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
2 Nov 08
Another one hub? These have been around since time began and why would God allow a pagan people to know the end of time when even HIS own Son did not when HE was on earth? I mean, I would have expected that a Jew would have predicted the true arrival of Jesus from heaven, or a minister of the gospel, but someone who probably did human sacrifices?
Only God knows when the end of the world will happen and it will be when one least expects it. Why it might be thousands of years from now because right now, we are wondering why the Lord delays HIS coming, or it might be pretty soon, because we are thinking that we have plenty of time.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Nov 08
Yes, I agree that these "theories" have been around for a very long time suspenseful; and there are more than likely going to be many more that pop up in the future too. Revelations in the Bible could arguably be seen as another theory as well, yes? The difference between Revelations, Nostradamus, I-Ching statements and this one in my opinion is that the 2012 references just so happen to coincide with an actual cosmic event that can be backed by modern calculations as well; whereas the other examples given have never been overyl specific as to where and when and why etc. Time will tell! Regardless of whether this is yet another doom and gloom load of hooey or not, we do need to collectively take heed and make every effort to be more accountable as humankind. Thanks for the response.
@CinderInMySoul (4717)
• United States
2 Nov 08
does it really matter? lol in my mind at least, it doesnt. because if the world is truly set to "end" on December 21st, 2012..what can i or anyone else actually do about it? nothing..a big fact monster nothing in fact if its destined to happen.
so that being said..lets ride it out and see what happens yes? im not gonna change anything, because if it does happen, nothing i do will have an affect..and if it doesnt happen..my life will keep on going the same as ever right?
i will be there to enjoy the wide-spread panic though im sure lol! remind of Y2K at all?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Nov 08
Honestly speaking, no, it doesn't matter at all! As you have rightfully stated, there is little we could do about it anyways. It is still an interesting topic though with a little more supporting information for once rather then the standard prophecy stuff. Y2K was an absolute joke looking back on it and more than likely software company created to boost upgrade sales! I say we live every day with all we've got and whatever happens, happens! Thanks for the response Cinder.
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@Daffodil20 (1754)
• India
4 Nov 08
I didn't give it much importance the first couple of times this reference came up. But have been hearing about it here and there frequently. Now your post. Well, my mind says,it could be so, but my heart doesn't buy this story. And like most of the times, I wish and believe that this prediction is not going to be true.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
4 Nov 08
I believe myself Daffodil that there may be some substance to this prediction but NOT in an earth shattering end of the world sense! It may mean significant global changes from a natural, economical and political perspective only? This theory is definitely gaining some momentum and the closer we get to 2012, the more it will be discussed. All we can do is live each day to the best of our ability because if there IS any truth to any of this then there is little we can really do about it. Thanks for the response.
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