What happened to Venomancer?
November 21, 2008 11:19pm CST
Venomancer was a scary hero last time, and poison nova was really a killer. But now it seems pretty weak and no body use him. What happened?
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23 Nov 08
in response to your comment on my comment storm Heres the low down on what lycan was like before he was so called "nerfed" His wolves had bash, and at level 4 had permanent invisibility. His feral heart gave him extra movement speed and attack speed but not damage. His howl increased damaged on a percentage, was not global. His ultimate lasted much longer, but he could be slowed in this form, and he did not gain full movement speed. Heres what hes like now His wolves have lost bash, but they now get bonus from feral heart AND from when lycan uses his ultimate. Basically his wolves gain the extra 25% attack speed and 25% damage aura if lycan has his feral heart fully leveled. Also when lycan casts his ultimate, his wolves also gain max movement speed along with lycan. Furthermore his wolves have retained the lvl four permanent invisibility. Lycans howl is in my opinion the only skill that was truly nerfed. Sure +44 damage to all heroes and +16 damage to all PLAYER controlled units sounds great. But this is only good early game, as late game +44 damage is not as good as say +25% exra damage. Because if you put it in perspective of a late game carry having say 300 damage. With current howl he would have 344 damage. With the old howl he would have 375 damage. Thats all i have to say about howl Lycans ultimate has been in my opinion buffed too. His old ultimate had long cooldown but had good duration. However his current ultimate gives him the same amount of extra hp, still gives him critical strike, still gives him increased attack speed. HOWEVER the current one gives him FULL movement speed even if he has no boots and no sange and yasha, and he can NOT be SLOWED. He can still be stunned but thats what bkb and linkens are for. Furthermore the cooldown on his ultimate at level 3 is insane. His ultimate lasts 16 seconds but his cooldown is only 40 seconds. Meaning the downtime between wolf form is only a mere 24 seconds, not even half a minute. This pretty much means if you had decent mana, (his ultimate costs 100 mana at all levels) you could stay wolf form pretty much all the time after level 16. So all in all he got buffed pretty hardcore.
24 Nov 08
icic... Would like to listen to your build for lycan but it kind of off topic... (but I don't mind haha) That being said, im still quite sad that bash has been removed. It really helps in kills. I guess its time to try out the new lycan (i haven't try it haha..) Thanks for your lengthy analysis.
23 Nov 08
So does Sand King. the Epicenter recently seems pretty weak too. I Think a plenty of heroes have weakness in several skills. It caused They now REBALANCE The Newest DotA version than before. All The Heroes have same stronger now, thus nothing God Of Hero anymore, It depends to the player.
21 Dec 08
You got a point. Venomancer still is a great hero, a good slow poison since lvl 1 (Shadow Strike) perfect to go gank some enemies with other stuners allys. Poison Sting is really imba if you put all your skill points on it at beginning, 140 damage in lvl 4 for 0 mana only for hitting your oponent once. Poison nova great combo with other skills, great hunter at beginning. For this and lot of more reasons Venomancer is a great hero, just there are new heroes to use and people likes to try the new stuff
23 Dec 08
why you ask?because his poison nova-shadow strike combo can be easily countered by scroll of tp..he has no stun or disable whatsoever..poison nova is a good aoe skill for clashes but there are heroes with better aoe skills(for example enigma's black hole)..plus he has low hp