Religion - Where is Thy Beauty?

@zandi458 (27952)
Malaysia
January 10, 2009 3:43am CST
I do not understand why religion has become a sensitive subject for discussion here and even in the real world. People are fighting because of religion differences. Am I the only person who responded with an open mind being rudely prosecuted for sharing what little I know about this topic? I guess I had stepped on a landmine when I chose to stand neutral in my views. I am not a religious fanatic but I hold true to my faith. As I understand every religion has its own moral code designed to regulate human conduct so that people can live together as civilized human beings. Together they can contribute to their communities which offer mutual support. It is very unfortunate, if religionists create discriminations, hostility and jealousy towards the other religious groups. Whom should we blame for our own miserable condition - God or fate? In human situations, the agony of choosing which action to perform whether good or bad, is perpetually with us. In such circumstances we should know the terms under which our choice is to be made. A tree is known by its fruit. Similarly, a true religion must produce permanent results. In this sense, it is quite right to judge a religion by its results. I believe the practice of a religion enables one to undergo spiritual transformation which arises from within, rather than from without. Rank, caste, color and even wealth and power do not necessarily make a gentleman. Only character makes a person great and worthy of honor.
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@dpk262006 (56170)
• Delhi, India
10 Jan 09
I agree with you that a character of person carries greater importance than his/her religion. In my view, religion is a very personal affair and one should be free to choose it. We should always respect other, as all are human beings made of flesh and blood. Good Post!
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
Hi dpk, nice to see you here. I agree that religion of any individual is a personal affair and should not be enforced on others. Maybe it is one way to prevent moral decadence in society but more often religions have defeat the purpose of its existence. Religious historians predicts that in the years to come religion will be "the prime animating and destructive force in human affairs, guiding attitudes to political liberty and obligation, concepts of nationhood and, of course, conflicts and wars."
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• United States
18 Jan 09
I mostly agree except for two points, one Every religion has the same moral code. All believe that killing and stealing are wrong.After that , then they break into different rules and regulations. And second, for most people there isn't an " agony of choosing which action to perform".They either do right or wrong. What is sad when someine does a wrong in the name of their G-d.I believe there isn't a false religion only people who don't understand the message or misread the message.
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
20 Jan 09
All religions in this world teaches good morals and what makes a religion different from the other is how its believers interpret it. After all we all pray to the same God, the creator of the universe.
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• United States
21 Jan 09
One G-d, many names and incarnations.
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• India
12 Jan 09
hello my friend zandi458 Ji, Religion comes bu birth in natural way. All reigions are good for oneself. I do not find to find out faults with other religions, I also do not want to change my rekligions, but i find many people discussing particular religions 'Good or bads', I even do not propogate that one should adopt my way of living and follow my religion. Why choice is not left to individuals. Things are getting worse, you have full freedom to say, what you think the best. i dio not think waht you follow is wrong. it is people concern, they present the wrong picture and some people get fascinated and make noise. may god bless every one to follow their own religion and give them sufficient tolerance not to come in between. have a great time.
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
13 Jan 09
I agree to what you say. The basic problem we face today is moral degeneration and misplaced intelligence.
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• India
14 Jan 09
Hello my friend zandi458 Ji, You too are very much right, parents are not becoming Roll Models for their children, Shall i tell you some thing from convesation of first Night, we promised not to use any slange language in front of our children, so our children never use and now it has set a tradition in our family. may god bless you and have a great time.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
10 Jan 09
I do go along with you there. I am not great on some beliefs I have my own way ofthinking. hm just might step on some toes but thats me. I hve seen so much in this world that dont set right with me so I have probably took from different beleives and conjurded up my own!
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
I approve your stand.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
12 Jan 09
thanks
• India
10 Jan 09
I believe that religion is one of the root cause of evil in this society. Ironic that it may sound, but religion has caused more turmoil in the world than anything else.Ironic because reigion is supposed to give us peaceof mind, however it has pitted man against man. It has been exploited through the ages to whip up sentiments to create hatred and motivate people to carry out dastardly acts of terror. if there was no religion probably the world would be a safer place to live in.
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11 Jan 09
Well, I think we all have good and bad in us. To put it simply good can sometimes get too boring, so to liven things up, we maybe a little confrontational or whatever. Religion is one of many things that are used as an excuse to do this. It is a little like saying money is the root of all evil, 'money' as such is only a transmission method so we can trade with one another, a usually a quite convenient method! It maybe the love of money and what it can be used for that can be evil, but then again good things can be done with money too. If groups of us didn't argue about religion, it would be about something else, it seems to be in the nature of life on earth!
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
What if there is no religions in this world and we come back to the early days of human civilization, I am sure this world would be peaceful. While many wish that religion would fade completely from the scene, the reality is that there is more strife in God's name than ever before. A survey of our world shows that far from dying out, religion continues to play a significant role in the political affairs of nations.
@ulalume (714)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Religion is a sensitive topic to discuss anywhere (where it is allowed to be openly discussed). Many people also tend to have an "extreme" view as well. The religion tend to be very against the sacreligious, and vice versa. I myself, not really being a fan of religion anymore, do try to keep a fairly open mind; but considering my past (I once was involved with the church), it's hard to remain sane talking to the all-to-frequent hypocrits of the church; as well as discussing the idea of god without some bias (I dont really believe in God, but I suppose he could exist--basically agnosticism). But, the bias is definitly on both sides. I've seen so many religious people damn atheists, satanists, wiccans, agnostics, and even hindus (all of these being historically more peaceful than higher ranking religions such as christianity, islam, and judaism), consider the lack of belief in god empty and stupid. I find these beliefs to really be empty do to the fact that people believe in them one hundred percent as if they are proven scientifically. That is probably the single thing that bothers me most when discussing anything (openly, on my part). There seems to be no beating a belief in "god." Still, I enjoy adding my input just to learn more about myself and maybe influence someones mind.
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
I respect your stand. You may have faith, but it is too weak. For all that God asks is that you believe, just believe! Believe greatly or believe less, but believe.
@ulalume (714)
• United States
15 Jan 09
I have faith in things, just not a god. The extent varies depending on what I am really talking. Believing senselessly is not for me. Believing solely on my senses is also not for me.
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@wsamboer (186)
• South Africa
27 Jan 09
Zandi, a beautifully written post. But don't you agree that true religion is but only good deeds? :Taking care of orphans, widows, and the poor and needy? The greatest of all gifts, is love; 1.Cor.13:1-13 No matter how much religion you have, without love(God's love)for your fellow human beings, you are nothing. For that you need faith. Faith and not religion. The religion of man is the practice of rituals. Universal love is needed to cure the ills (hatred) in this world. The reason why the world is in such turmoil, is because of religious differences. The Middle-East and Africa is proof of that. Therefore if we can all have one faith and one religion, we will have also one understanding and one love for mankind. Because if we can be in agreement with one another on that issue, the world will be a better place.
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
29 Jan 09
That us undeniable that the difference in human beliefs are the roots of all human clashes. If only they respect other people religions they will be less fighting in this world.
@Sreekala (22879)
• India
20 Jan 09
Hi Zandi, The issue regarding religion is one thing that is melted in the blood of human being and I don’t think if anybody can change the same. Only a minor percentage of people are not bothering about the religion and they think that each religion is good and every religion teach the humans to be a good human being, love to each other etc. It is unfortunate that the people are using the religion for their selfish motives. I think it is a very personal belief of each person and nobody can question the same. My opinion is, one should respect each religion and love everybody irrespective of the religion. The points you are raised is very good but I have doubt on the practical side. Will the people think about a change?
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
20 Jan 09
I agree with you that we should respect all religions and love one another. Then there will be peace in this world.
@SaviourV (258)
• Malaysia
18 Jan 09
Saviour-V teleports back in for a moment... You know, zandi458, I know how you feel. There are some Muslims here in Malaysia who would disagree with certain things I feel strongly about with regards to Islam, my religion. And it's sad because that a lot of people here have more blind faith than actual belief in God. I sometimes wonder that if we aren't too careful, what's happening in Gaza might very well occur here. Truth is, no matter what happens, we should neither blame God nor Fate for whatever happens in our lives. There's some good that we probably don't realize, but most of us (and sometimes I'm guilty of this), tend to blame God for swatting us with an aluminum baseball bat...^_^;; These days, however, my heart bleeds whenever I see another killing happen in Gaza, but I cannot do much from where I am, except for donating towards getting aid to that area. But if God gives me the technology, the people, and the ability, I would gladly go down to Gaza, and figure out how to prevent further bloodshed. Even if it means disabling their military technologies, somehow, to prevent them from being used. I don't care about which side is right anymore; I just want to prevent more bloodied pages from being added to our history. And by the way, character comes through true faith. In oneself and in God, no matter who you choose to believe in. Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), Mahatma Gandhi, and many others who eschewed violence for the sake of preserving life, are all probably weeping in their graves for the anger we so quickly show each other for not "being on my side of things". I hope that we might be able to bring peace to this world, zandi458. I really do. Saviour-V bows to zandi458, and teleports out...
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
18 Jan 09
Hi countryman, I salute you for your well delivered response. You are so young yet so well endowed with vast knowledge and it speaks loud and clear that you are very tolerant to others regardless of their beliefs. We are very lucky indeed to be in a multi racial country practicing different religions yet live in harmony despite of differences in political ideology. We are indeed blessed with this peaceful country of ours and let this harmonious relationship remain forever. Religious strife forms the basis for much of history. From the crusades of the middle ages to the 20th century,many wars and conflicts had religion as part of the cause. Nations that sought to join the modern world made strong efforts to shed their religious baggage, or at least to minimize its role in the governance of the state. What is happening in Gaza is unfortunate and I for one do not watch news or read papers about all these killings. It hurts me to know that innocent life just perish in this war torn country which could have been avoided if it is not of blind belief and reaction, dogma and bigotry, superstition and exploitation and the preservation of vested interest. Unfortunately for the country, religious strife still plays a significant role there. Pray that peace prevail in these trouble lands and God will intervene and restore peace there once more.
@DiDeCo (50)
• Canada
11 Jan 09
In answer to your question -- Who should we blame for our own miserable condition - God to fate. Well how about a little in-between sure God made us, but we are misers of our own success or failure. Religion is but a feature of God's word. It is those who distort the powerful words that are to blame for how bad things are.
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
13 Jan 09
You are right. Man may have gained control over the forces of nature, but he is not in control of his own nature.
@tarachand (3895)
• India
11 Jan 09
Every religion, including the concept of God is man made. Humans err, and with the way all religions have turned out, humanity has erred big. Yes, I accept that there is a creator (using convention in the case of God's gender, not trying to be sexist), but why should he have made us in his own image? And if a number of religions are to be believed, 'God' as humans envisage him can have many forms, so this means that even the animals and plants that one consumes, and all of the cosmos are actually forms of 'God'. Why should a 'God' have human attributes of reward and punishment? I think that he'd be far above heaven and hell. I think people who invented a religion were trying to take advantage of humanity's lack of knowledge, of understanding, of awareness - maybe their intentions were good -to regulate human conduct as you said, but basically every religious leader took advantage of the gullibility of the masses that followed him/her and believed in him/her. Maybe, as human knowledge improves, the capacity and the power to reason increases, and so does understanding, there will be a blurring of religions and ultimately wiping out of them altogether - and I am not implying 'utopia' here, and maybe at that time one human will not prosecute another one for differences in such intangible concepts, sets of beliefs and rituals that make up each religion. This will take some time, a few decades maybe centuries even, and we may not be around then, but I am sure that it will happen. I think that my response has probably gone off at a tangent or has skewed away from what you intended, but I just wanted to air my piece on this, no offense intended.
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
13 Jan 09
I like how you pierce through this topic and with your far sighted knowledge and I have to surrender to a more knowledgeable person on this topic. Great that you came here to share with us.
@Opal26 (17690)
• United States
11 Jan 09
Hey zandi! I agree with you! I often wonder how people who who claim to be so religious and God fearing can also be so rude and angry and lack sensitivity towards other human beings for simply expressing their own beliefs! Especially if their beliefs are in any way different then theirs! This totally makes no sense whatsoever! I thought that people who are so religious are supposed to be kind and gentle and accept differences in other human beings and accept them no matter what their differences are or what their beliefs are! So this is totally hypocrital in most cases! How can people profess one thing and do just the complete opposite? I feel the same way that you do. Character makes a person worthy, not what religious belief they have. You must be true to yourself first and foremost! You must be able to treat others with the respect that they deserve no matter whether they agree with you or not! That is what most religions teach! I think some of the points are being missed or ignored in some cases!
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
A person who admits to advocate firmly to his religious belief but not practicing truly to it is like a man who lives on his capital, constantly drawing from his bank account of good karma but without replenishing it. When it is all exhausted, he will proceed to his existence as a spiritual pauper.
@Annmac (950)
10 Jan 09
Religion has always been a sensitive subject. Some people see any criticism of their beliefs as personal insults rather than as a reason why others don't believe the same. It's Religious fanaticism that causes or is used as an excuse for persecution and war and a quick look at any History Book proves it! I don't share the beliefs of my family (Christians of various different denominations) or friends of other religious views, but I can accept that for them, the Belief in the Biblical God is a very important part of their lives. I just wish most of them didn't feel the need to 'convert' me into their Faith! I can't and never will understand, why there is so much hostility between people who when you really look at it, all Worship the SAME God. Be He called God, Allah or Jehovah, he's the God of Abraham! The one thing I do remember from my Christian Upbringing was being told that he was a God of Love yet so often people Kill in his name! It doesn't make sense! I think until Mankind really does live by the commandment, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, we'll always have conflict and unhappiness!
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
The only faith you need is the faith that God is in your heart.
@riyasam (16578)
• India
10 Jan 09
i do know what i stand for but i never force my beliefs into anyone.trying to force another person is a sign of immaturity.i think SILENCE IS GOLDEN IN SUCH CASES.i donot think ,it means i or my faith is weak.
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
We all believe in one God and God gave us the brain to think rationally. Yes, keeping one faith silently and not forcing our beliefs into others is what we should all do.
@ANTIQUELADY (36489)
• United States
10 Jan 09
i don't know enough about other religions to discuss it w/anyone. don't even know enough about mine to discuss. i am a methodist . i do know there are alot of hypocrites in all churches.
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@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
LOL..AMEN to that. Yes, I agree I am no difference. But realizing that I'm half way home - half way through the adventure I call my life. I've become more 'godly' these days but not fanatic to cause upset in others.
@GADHISUNU (2164)
• India
10 Jan 09
Zandi, you write well. What you write has the force of conviction and you come across pretty clearly with what you have in your mind. Never mind what somebody does to 'persecute'. Be happy persecution here could never mean laying even a finger, cuz we are all so away from each other that at least physical assault is not possible.As for verbal assault, you respond ponly if the person seems reasonable enough to debate with. If anyone responds with unprintable stuff ignore him/her! Religion brings in peace only when it unshackles itself of its own predilections to see the truth beyond words. It is only when religious experience has matured that silence overtakes you as the best or the loudest form of communicating or the most intense form of communing!
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
Hi Gadhisunu, thank you for your compliment. Yes I believe we should be more open minded, understanding and liberal to voice our views freely and not be too fanatic about our religious beliefs. What are we here for but to have a healthy debate on issues that we put forward. I will heed your advice.
• United States
10 Jan 09
I have religion simply because I believe in GOD and GOD created us all so I love all people, races,social caste,relgions. I also study them all because I am finding that while people are fighting over religion the relgions basically say the same things. In reality they are all the same but people are to ignorant to learn one another. And when we all figure out how to unite all religions we will continue to have the that we have all over the world when it comes to religion.
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
12 Jan 09
Only if all religions of the world practice what they preached may we find peace in the world. It is the fight for supremacy on the teachings of their religions that led to the infighting by their believers. Yet many people who advocate the greatness of their religions understand little of their own faith, much less any of the major world religions. Most people today are religious illiterates.